Deontay to Houston Discussion

[irishpat183]

My god.....UofH is such a dumphole.

I live in Houston. Please, wear a bulletproof vest when visiting that part of the city.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Kelly has to do better. You can't lose players to Houston.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD KELLY DIDNT LOSE ANYONE TO HOUSTON.

 

[SaltyND24]

Right, and Darby, Anghlor, Decker...I can keep going. Don't rest your laurels on what you accomplished last year.

Agholor??? how is that on the coaching staff??? Now, for the situation of Darby and Decker, I don't really know what can be done once a kid makes up his mind that he's going to flip or open up his recruitment?? The only way, as was suggested pages ago, that things get better for a school like Notre Dame is if there is an early signing period...Those kids that sign on that day, great...If you haven't signed by that point, then you can assume that they aren't "committed"...When a kid tells you that he's going to sign with you, literally calls you to tell you that, and then flips...HOW IN THE F*CK IS THAT ON THE COACHING STAFF???

 

[Kak7304]

We also had limited available scholarships this year, so we couldn't cast as wide of a net on prospects. Next year, we'll be able to probably take a full class or possibly more w/ a few EEs.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I think we'll see a dramatic shift in how we recruit the 2013 cycle

What types of things do you think we could do differently? The types of players we target? Wrapping up commitments earlier (similar to what Michigan did this year)? I'm just curious what types of things can change. I had been very confident in this staff's ability to recruit. I'm still thrilled with the caliber of players and kids they are actually getting onto campus, but what can be done to increase the quantity?

Also, how much does everyone think that the turnover on the staff following the season contributed to the shrinking of the class over the last month? I know in at least one case it seems directly related, but do you guys think it indirectly impacted the other situations?

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

Lets not accuse a kid of taking money. That is unfair.

We can say other things, but taking money?

I can see him not wanting the pressure of playing at ND. Playing on national TV every week. Maybe that was too much. Maybe he didn't want to play in Tee's shadow, Tee is pretty dang good and can be that NFL type DB right away and that was too much for DG to take.

Maybe he didn't want to have to concentrate on his studies as much. There is a lot of things, but I would shy away from saying money. That is a scary situation.

Thank you Tee and all of the 16 guys for committing to ND! Actually, it is 17 if you take Amir in that bunch.

Go Irish!

 

[NYMIKE6]

Still vomitting in my trashcan.

Shouldn't drink so early in the day......lol

This hurts i know it does, but for how ridiculous this is, I mean come on "Houston"? LOL It's like a punch line in a movie... I can't stop laughing at the thought of he would have had it all at ND but chose "Houston" LOL.......

 

[IrishJayhawk]

What types of things do you think we could do differently? The types of players we target? Wrapping up commitments earlier (similar to what Michigan did this year)? I'm just curious what types of things can change. I had been very confident in this staff's ability to recruit. I'm still thrilled with the caliber of players and kids they are actually getting onto campus, but what can be done to increase the quantity?

Also, how much does everyone think that the turnover on the staff following the season contributed to the shrinking of the class over the last month? I know in at least one case it seems directly related, but do you guys think it indirectly impacted the other situations?

Seems like they didn't offer some guys (e.g., Dieter) in order to save spots for higher level recruits. Okay for one cycle, but we can't have another sparse one next year.

 

[CarrollVermin]

Agholor??? how is that on the coaching staff??? Now, for the situation of Darby and Decker, I don't really know what can be done once a kid makes up his mind that he's going to flip or open up his recruitment?? The only way, as was suggested pages ago, that things get better for a school like Notre Dame is if there is an early signing period...Those kids that sign on that day, great...If you haven't signed by that point, then you can assume that they aren't "committed"...When a kid tells you that he's going to sign with you, literally calls you to tell you that, and then flips...HOW IN THE F*CK IS THAT ON THE COACHING STAFF???

There are few schools out there that would benefit more from an Early Signing Period than Notre Dame...that we can agree on.

You cannot control a kid flipping...that is not my point. You can control the way you set your board up, recruit, and prioritize. This year was a failure on that end. You cannot control for when a kid flips, but you can have another player committed to fill that depth problem when he does.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

are there more recruits out there that may be lower rated guys we could offer a scholly to or is everyone already picked up? there have been countless 3 star players that have exceeded expectations..

 

[Pachuco]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD KELLY DIDNT LOSE ANYONE TO HOUSTON.

I WAN'T TO TALK A BUNCH OF SH*T ABOUT POSTERS AND THEIR TIRED AZZ COMPLAINTS ABOUT KELLY!!!!!!

I'm not really shouting.

 

[irishpat183]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD KELLY DIDNT LOSE ANYONE TO HOUSTON.

Yes he did. Stop with the BS.

Its amazing that it's "our coaching staff did a great job" when we land a guy...but when we lose him? We either "didn't need him anyway, our class is still good" or "he got paid".

No. this is ON KELLY AND THE COACHES.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

There are few schools out there that would benefit more from an Early Signing Period than Notre Dame...that we can agree on.

You cannot control a kid flipping...that is not my point. You can control the way you set your board up, recruit, and prioritize. This year was a failure on that end. You cannot control for when a kid flips, but you can have another player committed to fill that depth problem when he does.

Except when it happens on NSD. That's the kick in the pants here.

 

[cLaRk_JoNeS]

I dont believe it. I was assured in DG thread that it would be impossible for a decommit by the Elite on this forum

 

[SoDakDomer]

"I used to have a saying about players like that and that was I'd rather play against him for four games than with him for four years," Kelly on DGB

 

[Irish Fam]

So you think that ND should have had a player on the wings up until NSD just incase a player jumped ship at the last minute? This isn't a video game bud. These players know when they are getting the run around.

 

[Kak7304]

Agholor??? how is that on the coaching staff??? Now, for the situation of Darby and Decker, I don't really know what can be done once a kid makes up his mind that he's going to flip or open up his recruitment?? The only way, as was suggested pages ago, that things get better for a school like Notre Dame is if there is an early signing period...Those kids that sign on that day, great...If you haven't signed by that point, then you can assume that they aren't "committed"...When a kid tells you that he's going to sign with you, literally calls you to tell you that, and then flips...HOW IN THE F*CK IS THAT ON THE COACHING STAFF???

But it's Kelly's fault that Darby wouldn't let him make his last in-home visit.

But in all seriousness, thank you for making a reasonable post about recruiting. Our staff has worked their asses off recruiting and we still have a decent class that added some depth to our DL, brought in some stud DBs, provided us w/ a 5-star, elite QB, and brought in a bunch of other incredible athletes. We were in it with Arik Armstead until the end. Yuri Wright would probably be coming here had he not been suspended. Do some people expect the coaches to be able to force kids to come to ND? There's nothing they can do but work as hard as they can and hope the kid makes up his mind.

 

[Irish Fam]

Clark. NOBODY saw this coming. Professionals felt he was all ND. Sometimes **** happens that nobody can predict.

 

[military_irish]

Didn't see this but this is what Deontay's coach said. LINK

"I think you can like a place and feel good about it but not feel great about it. there was something extra that, for him, was missing. Really, I think it was about making his decision, about what he truly wanted, not just following his cousin somewhere."

 

[Rhode Irish]

There are few schools out there that would benefit more from an Early Signing Period than Notre Dame...that we can agree on.

You cannot control a kid flipping...that is not my point. You can control the way you set your board up, recruit, and prioritize. This year was a failure on that end. You cannot control for when a kid flips, but you can have another player committed to fill that depth problem when he does.

I don't totally disagree with your premise that you have to be prepared for things like this. On the other hand, if you had kids committed too account for each of the four flips (Darby, Decker, Perkins and Greenberry) and somehow you ended up with all four of them, then you would have a different problem. Because we could not have taken 24 kids this cycle, or at least we had no intention of doing so. I think its hard to foresee some of this stuff, and you can't expect the staff to be prepared for every imaginable contingency. But we agree that you cannot set out wanting a class of 21/22 kids and end up with 16. Inexcusable, IMO. And I love the staff, just trying to be fair here.

 

[FWIrish4]

I think one of the main reasons we don't have classes of 25 is because 98% of our guys stay all four years. Some are complaining that we only have 16 well yeah because everyone stays here and we don't tell them to get lost once they're here. And seriously complaining about 16...I bet you wouldn't be complaining if Deontay signed here and guess what? That would put us at 17 and you would be saying how good the class is. Yet we have one less number and some are saying that Coach Kelly isn't getting the job done. Sure bad things happened at the end and gambles were made. What if we didn't take the gamble on Armsteads? We would be pissed that we didn't try for them, yet now some are pissed because we did take the gamble on them. Some people can never be satisfied apparently. All I know is that I trust in the coaching staff and that this is xbox where you get every 5 star you want. We will be fine, Go Irish!

 

[Bmac020211]

To heck with all of this. This has nothing to do with the kid.

This is on coach. You don't sign a class of 16 and say that you are doing a great job as the Head Football Coach at the University of Notre Dame. USC is on probation, not us! How do you allow this to happen to your program on NSD? Unreal.

Agreed and absolutely dissapointed. **** poor execution by our staff. Last year it all worked out, and we sang their praises, but this year was an absolute flop at the finish. I follow recruiting religiously and they made several giant tactical blunders, ultimately losing out on kids that wanted to be at ND. Back to the drawing board Brian. Figure it out because there is no excuse!

 

[jonesman]

He could have decommitted on Sunday which would have given us time to talk again to Westercamp or others.

Leaving ND at the altar after all this is really dissapointing. If he had the feeling he was in Tee's shadow, he sure never showed that until TODAY!!!

I wonder if Tee is bit upset in a way.

 

[SaltyND24]

There are few schools out there that would benefit more from an Early Signing Period than Notre Dame...that we can agree on.

You cannot control a kid flipping...that is not my point. You can control the way you set your board up, recruit, and prioritize. This year was a failure on that end. You cannot control for when a kid flips, but you can have another player committed to fill that depth problem when he does.

I agree with you 100% on the first part..As for the 2nd part of your post, that's kinda hard to do on NSD...if it happens back in November, yea you should still be able to bounce back...but when it's late december/early January, it's a lot more difficult to shuffle around and find a replacement...

 

[irishog77]

Yes he did. Stop with the BS.

Its amazing that it's "our coaching staff did a great job" when we land a guy...but when we lose him? We either "didn't need him anyway, our class is still good" or "he got paid".

No. this is ON KELLY AND THE COACHES.

I agree with this sentiment.

It's not fair (or consistent) to praise a coach for the players he brings in, but not chide him for not being able to land players. You can't have it both ways.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Yes he did. Stop with the BS.

Its amazing that it's "our coaching staff did a great job" when we land a guy...but when we lose him? We either "didn't need him anyway, our class is still good" or "he got paid".

No. this is ON KELLY AND THE COACHES.

Did you not read the comments from Deontay's coach? Kid wanted his own spotlight and didn't want to follow in his cousin's shadow. Kelly and all the staff showed him the love and explained everything that ND offered him and he chose to pass that up and get his 15 seconds of fame. If a kid doesn't want to be at ND then you expect a coach to make him come here?

I'll give you that he should have seen this coming and had a back-up plan. I also can't argue with coaches getting too much credit for a kid coming.

 

[Irish Fam]

I bet Tee is real upset. He lost his senior year of football in an attempt to play with Deontay. He has gotta feel atleast a little betrayed.

 

[SaltyND24]

Agreed and absolutely dissapointed. **** poor execution by our staff. Last year it all worked out, and we sang their praises, but this year was an absolute flop at the finish. I follow recruiting religiously and they made several giant tactical blunders, ultimately losing out on kids that wanted to be at ND. Back to the drawing board Brian. Figure it out because there is no excuse!

I'm not saying you're wrong but can you elaborate of the giant tactical errors???

 

[Sweetness34]

Nobody will hear from him again until he is a senior and getting ready for the draft. This was a selfish move in order to get more balls thrown his way in that offense.

 

[BurningRiver]

I guess it's not too late for me to apply to Alabama and Ohio state instead of ND. This is actually pretty nice, now I can stop studying and paying attention in school