'12 NJ CB Yuri Wright (Colorado Verbal)
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His transcript from his new school for one. He doesn't have one. ND knew what courses he was on track to take at Don Bosco in his last semester. They don't know what courses he will be taking at the new school or whether that's school's coursework meest ND Admissions determination of the qualtity of that coursework or the quality of the instruction. BTW, how are you sure they've talked to teachers at Don Bosco? A leap on your part with neither basis nor precedent.
This is ND Admissions making the decision on whether be becomes an ND Student not a football coach and cetainly not an SEC Admissions group shilling for the coach. At ND the coach decides what athletes he wants to offers. ND Admissions decides which ones pass the bar on the student side. In '95 Holtz took that to the max getting signature for two recruits on LOI's on NSD that had not been approved by ND Admissions. ND Admission paid no mind to Holtz trying to force their hand.Both were 5 star recruits one of which will be in the NFL HOF. ND Admissions didn't care about their stars or 40's, neither were admitted.
This kid may have been on track to be coming to ND but he ran his own train off the tracks. A smart kid would closed the twitter account and NOT reopened one with NSD 2 weeks away. Then again a smart kid would have heeded his coaches and school advising/couseling/warning over time him to desist. Two of his coaches publicly acknowledged the timeframe and repeated warnings.
Polls and surveys are meaningless when ND Admissions is involved. In that respect the Rivals pollsters are truly clueless and apparently they're not alone.
ND doesn't have to pull a scholarship, ALL are contingent on basic principals maintain grades, complete classes, graduate. This recruit changed the basis of his offer as he's not at the school of record.
Any expulsion would be a grave concern for ND Admissions as it should to any coach. The exact transgression isn't necessarily the prime issue. How the individual dealt with his superiors is more significant. Did he follow his warnings, directives and show judgement or challenge their authority to impress his posse? There's a major issue of character and of judgement and it's doubtful in 2 weeks an Admissions group will see the visible signs of progress they look for.
Terry and Domina Nostra grasp the significance.
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Yuri's "new" Twitter account is a confirmed fake. So he at least doesn't have that strike against him. But I agree on all other counts.
Even assuming that the coaching staff believes he's a fundamentally good kid and still wants him (a big assumption, mind you), Yuri's offer is now obviously contingent on when and how he manages to graduate from high school.
It's guaranteed that Rutgers and Colorado aren't going to scrutinize this process nearly as closely as ND Admissions will, so unless Yuri's heart is truly set on ND, he'll probably end up at Rutgers. It's the easy and comfortable choice for him now.
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I never said that I know they've talked to his teachers. My point was that I'm sure they've spoke to everyone close to him that they need to in order to make a decision, teachers included.
I agree with you on the transcripts from his new school. I'm sure it's a concern for all colleges, ND included, that he has not yet (to our knowledge) entered into another high-school's program yet.
My opinion is based on this crazy theory:
A) Yuri has contact with our coaches, post-incident, and the coaches aren't just going to start ignoring him (from all reports, they seem to be very straight-forward with kids).
B) If his scholarship has been pulled, we'd know (internet 101). So at this time, I assume it has not officially been pulled.
C) The fact that ND (in my theory, at least) hasn't pulled his scholarship means that they will continue his recruitment as long as Yuri enrolls in a high-school which lets him graduate on time and he 'shapes up' (if he hasn't learned his lesson from this mess then he's no good for ND) and I think he will (because I know him so well).
It sounds like a long shot but all of these scenarios are possible, if not likely, IMO.
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I heard it somewhere on the internets that this man's scholarship was pulled. Must have been pulled.
I would be upset if we pulled his offer. Everyone was 18 once and did stupid stuff like that. Every kid in high school talks like that. I want him really bad, mainly since Darby left. We should stay on this kid. He has a lot of upside. He would be a great pickup.
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I heard this too...but I am pretty sure it was in your post where I read it!
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That's just funny how some people cannot hear the character conversation, no matter how loud, no matter what.
We were wild when I was eighteen, doing things that could land us in jail, we all had sailor's mouths, oh wait a minute, we were Marines. We put our asses on the line (every day), did for others first, all the time, and only spent our time talking dirty about pussy when we could afford to buy some.
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That's just funny how some people cannot hear the character conversation, no matter how loud, no matter what.
We were wild when I was eighteen, doing things that could land us in jail, we all had sailor's mouths, oh wait a minute, we were Marines. We put our asses on the line (every day), did for others first, all the time, and only spent our time talking dirty about pussy when we could afford to buy some.
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No, they don't. Stop giving the kid a free pass because he's 18 and a great athlete. Even if you don't think that these tweets call his character into question (and I will admit I think it's pretty reasonable to at least question it at this point), there is no doubt that this stuff calls into question his intelligence. Anybody who is dumb enough to post stuff like that on the Internet for all to see, and ESPECIALLY when that person is relatively high-profile, is not smart enough to be a student at Notre Dame.
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IE Logic: Can't judge coach who turned a blind eye to child molestation, judges the hell out of a talented football player who had funny tweets that were mostly song lyrics.
Paterno had six decades of distinguished service, integrity, and genuine care for his players and their success. Unfortunately for Yuri, this incident has little in the way of past "positives" which he can balance i with.
WRT the situation I view the expulsion as a much larger issue than the tweets. The bottom line is that for any other ND student, an expulsion in the senior year of High School is in all likelihood going to result in either a withdrawal of the offer of admission, or if not yet accepted, a rejection.
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There must be something more to this than just the twitter stuff. I know it's a stupid decision, but there is NO way that it is grounds for expulsion. I don't see ND going after him after getting expelled from school, but the reasons for expulsion are shady at best.
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At a Catholic school that was just brought into the national spotlight for the wrong reasons?
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to link that together
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Exactly. Most private schools require a signature on a code of conduct document. This would easily get kids booted from my old HS. Back in the day, we had a "moral" clause which could be generically translated to almost any behavioral issue. Today CoCs read like a corporate contract....
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Didn't he go to a Catholic school? His tweets were absolutely enough to get him expelled, if so. They're usually pretty no nonsense.
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Kudos to you bert...
And IMO, while many of us have done immature things at 18, very few high school students are expelled, as a consequence to malicious behaviour. ND should take a chance on a student who get's a C+ instead of a B for a required class, not on one who disregards the rules of the institution, advice of his coaches and teachers, and that internal mechanism within each of us guiding us to (hopefully) better judgement calls.
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I served in Army at 18 trust me you can have world on your shoulders and be dumbass kid at times .I hope we look past this kid troubles( So minor really Twitter who cares ) and give this kid a great education .
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This thread has been locked twice already because a select few have repeatedly proven themselves incapable of discussing Twittergate in a civil manner.
The staff knows far more about the quality of Yuri's character than any of us do. Remember that recruits and their friends/ family members frequently read this board.
That is all.
The staff knows far more about the quality of Yuri's character than any of us do. Remember that recruits and their friends/ family members frequently read this board.
That is all.
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Um have you seen his tweets? It's bad. Real bad. Michael Jackson.
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Where do you get that anyone gave him a free ride? When it happened, most people were shocked, then heckled his defense that he didn't know men (could or did) have intercourse (with each other). That was enough for me to be fine with his summary dismissal. By eighty-five a man should know the difference between good and bad character, and the behaviors that go with each, or if he defers, then he doesn't care.
I guarantee you if what happened to those kids would have happened to one of mine, he would have been second or third on the list, behind Sandusky and McQueary. If I saw that happening I would have ended the situation permanently.
The closest I ever came was when I was with my now 16 year old daughter, in a grocery, and we heard someone striking another in the next isle over. I walked around and there was a woman beating her (obvious grandson, nephew, or neighbor) so hard it rattled the can goods behind them. I told her, as I chased her to the front of the store, that the boy looked to be about half her size and she about half mine. I explained how sometimes the larger person doesn't know how hard they are hitting, or how bad it hurts the smaller person. I asked her if she would like me to demonstrate. When I asked her to stand as still as the little boy in the cart, she looked like she ate a turd, and bolted out the door. I followed her into the lot, and told her I would get her plate number. So she just stood there.
Pretty soon the police arrived, three squad cars, four deputies, and a command sergeant. They tried to talk me down. I wouldn't budge. Not until they wrote a referral to Child Services. My argument that convinced them was that now they had a chance to get this kid some help. Show him somebody cares, before it's too late. I ask them whether they would rather deal with it now or later, when he was older, after he was grown. See it is all about character, and giving those that need it the support to grow healthy and strong.
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Where do you get that anyone gave him a free ride? When it happened, most people were shocked, then heckled his defense that he didn't know men (could or did) have intercourse (with each other). That was enough for me to be fine with his summary dismissal. By eighty-five a man should know the difference between good and bad character, and the behaviors that go with each, or if he defers, then he doesn't care.
I guarantee you if what happened to those kids would have happened to one of mine, he would have been second or third on the list, behind Sandusky and McQueary. If I saw that happening I would have ended the situation permanently.
The closest I ever came was when I was with my now 16 year old daughter, in a grocery, and we heard someone striking another in the next isle over. I walked around and there was a woman beating her (obvious grandson, nephew, or neighbor) so hard it rattled the can goods behind them. I told her, as I chased her to the front of the store, that the boy looked to be about half her size and she about half mine. I explained how sometimes the larger person doesn't know how hard they are hitting, or how bad it hurts the smaller person. I asked her if she would like me to demonstrate. When I asked her to stand as still as the little boy in the cart, she looked like she ate a turd, and bolted out the door. I followed her into the lot, and told her I would get her plate number. So she just stood there.
Pretty soon the police arrived, three squad cars, four deputies, and a command sergeant. They tried to talk me down. I wouldn't budge. Not until they wrote a referral to Child Services. My argument that convinced them was that now they had a chance to get this kid some help. Show him somebody cares, before it's too late. I ask them whether they would rather deal with it now or later, when he was older, after he was grown. See it is all about character, and giving those that need it the support to grow healthy and strong.
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Perfect example for another chance: Michael Floyd
Lou Holtz quote: "How you respond to the challenge in the second half will determine what you become after the game, whether you are a winner or a loser."
I believe this qoute works for a situation like this.
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Well-said. Reps.
well said
I said and did a lot of dumb stuff when I was in hs too. Heck, I still say and do a lot of dumb things. It's a learning process. He'll learn that just because you're a big deal in hs, doesn't mean you'll be a big deal in college.
Going up against the general masses in hs can inflate your ego, and it often takes getting knocked down to get back to the things that got you to that point: hard work coupled with any skill you have. This goes for the classroom as well as the playing field.
Bottom line: he's a horny teenager who wants to get laid. I hope we all can admit to being there at one point. Unless other red flags exist, I'm happy to have him at ND. I'm alum and have no issues with it. People say things they shouldn't, especially when they're young.
Going up against the general masses in hs can inflate your ego, and it often takes getting knocked down to get back to the things that got you to that point: hard work coupled with any skill you have. This goes for the classroom as well as the playing field.
Bottom line: he's a horny teenager who wants to get laid. I hope we all can admit to being there at one point. Unless other red flags exist, I'm happy to have him at ND. I'm alum and have no issues with it. People say things they shouldn't, especially when they're young.
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How do you know he is a "horny" teenager?
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Yeah, crazy theory right there.
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Twittergate and Yuri's alleged character issues are a compelling topic, but given the propensity of recruits, family members, and friends to read this board, and our poor track record of discussing this subject civilly, we should probably limit this discussion to a separate thread named "Twittergate".
If Yuri's thread gets locked again, it becomes difficult to share substantive updates on his recruitment.
If Yuri's thread gets locked again, it becomes difficult to share substantive updates on his recruitment.