'12 TX ATH Nick Baratti (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

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Can someone fill me in on the issues with Barrati's 40 times? I just checked rivals and according to them he clocks in at a 4.48. For A DOLB that's great speed. For a Safety that is still good speed.
 

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Can someone fill me in on the issues with Barrati's 40 times? I just checked rivals and according to them he clocks in at a 4.48. For A DOLB that's great speed. For a Safety that is still good speed.

Baratti, at 6'2'' ~220 lbs, runs a laser-timed 40 in 4.45s in this video. That's elite speed for a S, and freakish speed for a LB.
 

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Thanks Whiskey. All I could find was people discussing his 40 time but no reason as to why! LOL. Kid should be a beast!
 

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Just to stir up some odd thinking i guess, but what Nick said interests me greatly from another way of viewing it. He is talking about playing a "Jamoris-like" position in a "dime". That means six DBs on the field and only two LBs [as usually labelled]. Note that while we were generally happy with "Mike" [Te'o] and felt that "Cat" was being handled with proper violent intent in the scrimmageline meathouse [this coming year: Williams, Shembo probably], we had constant trouble with "Will" and "Dog". We all probably have a shrewd guess as to who's coming off the field when we go "Dime".

That line-up might look like Lynch, Nix, Tuitt across the front; Ishaq crashing; Te'o stuffing the middle and sometimes blitzing; and, as deep backs are in flux, just for conversation sake, say Shepard and Brown locking up the corners, Motta and Collinsworth or Shumate protecting the back, and Slaughter and Baratti covering the space wide, and running the alleys.

Young. But what athleticism. I of course also see a lot of Councell, Grace, Fox, Niklas in other alignments especially of the nickel or the "normal" variety. The speed upgrade in these schemes should be noticeable. I have yet to see the magic that others see from Moore, but I'm all for it if he has it. Spond's never healthy, but it would be nice to see what he's got if he is. Carlo?... God bless Carlo, but.... maybe against line-up-and-smash-at-you teams like MSU or the Old Pitt and BC.

Give me a Baratti-like talent at space-covering "Dog" and good things will happen. Who knows? We might even intercept a pass by someone other than a safety or a really badly thrown ball.
 

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4.45 for a safety is beyond Elite speed especially for a 17/18 year old kid. The fastest safety time at the combine last year was 4.43. Eric Berry ran a 4.47, Earl Thomas ran a 4.44, and Taylor Mays ran a 4.43 in 2010. So 4.45 is beyond fast enough. I doubt he would run that at the combine tomorrow but just to know he can potentially run that would make him extremely fast.
 
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4.45 for a safety is beyond Elite speed especially for a 17/18 year old kid. The fastest safety time at the combine last year was 4.43. Eric Berry ran a 4.47, Earl Thomas ran a 4.44, and Taylor Mays ran a 4.43 in 2010. So 4.45 is beyond fast enough. I doubt he would run that at the combine tomorrow but just to know he can potentially run that would make him extremely fast.

That's a great point.
 

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The more I read up and analyze each one of this years recruits the happier I get. This freakish speed and athleticism is coming from a 3 star prospect! I know those ratings are very biased at times but they are roughly on target. I can't wait to see these guys mature and get significant playing time together! One thing though, OMM are you purpsly leaving Jackson and Wood off the field just to see what this defense could potentially look like or do you think they are going to get beat out by the likes of Baratti, Shumate, and Tee? Just asking not trying to criticize you.
 

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Brian Kelly is slowing working is way up to a SEC caliber defense. He is recruiting the biggest and fastest guys he can find at every position on the defensive side of the ball. The fact that this kid could be a safety at 6'2 215 with 4.45 speed coming out of high school gets me all giddy.
 
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If any of you are old enough to remember Ara, he didn't always recruit by position. He picked up a lot of big quarterbacks, and converted them to other positions because he saw them as the best athletes available. He also knew how to evaluate tallent; AP was a Freshman Fullback before Ara moved him to the d-line.
 

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gkautz: first of all, don't ever take anything that I say too seriously; I don't. Secondly, my "dream team" WAS as you intuit, based on the fantasy of getting astounding athletes on the field, and indicating that we have them. But thirdly, and here's the controversialness: I actually DO believe that Shepard is going to be our best corner, and that JBrown will be our second soon. If Wood and Jackson make a goof out of me that's fine --- all I want is two corners who can really play and what their names are doesn't matter.
 
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I love this recruiting class but the more I watch film of these kids and the more articles I read, the more Nick becomes my favorite. Kid is a leader, team-first guy who I see being a singular team captain ala Harrison Smith this last season. So excited to have him.
 

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Possibly the most underrated recruit in our class. Him and Chris Brown, for different reasons, don't get the respect they deserve.

6'2" 220 fluid athlete with legit laser timed sub 4.5 speed... I'm sorry but when you compare those measureables to the athletes ranked ahead of him it's a JOKE. I think when all is said and done he ends up being a serious difference maker at ND.
 
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Possibly the most underrated recruit in our class. Him and Chris Brown, for different reasons, don't get the respect they deserve.

6'2" 220 fluid athlete with legit laser timed sub 4.5 speed... I'm sorry but when you compare those measureables to the athletes ranked ahead of him it's a JOKE. I think when all is said and done he ends up being a serious difference maker at ND.

If that 40 time is legit, he might be the most underrated prospect in his class, let alone among ND commits.
 
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What has Cam done to show he was underrated?

Report to Notre Dame, and hold his own. Not many three stars can play at a school like ND as Freshmen.
 
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Report to Notre Dame, and hold his own. Not many three stars can play at a school like ND as Freshmen.

He played sparingly on special teams. He already burnt his red-shirt and he didn't even see the backfield when our starting RB (on an already wayyyy depleted backfield) went down. He hasn't done anything at ND, yet. I like him but to say that he's clearly underrated at this point is ignorant.

And we get plenty of 3-stars every year that see the field for special teams. This is nothing special.
 
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He played sparingly on special teams. He already burnt his red-shirt and he didn't even see the backfield when our starting RB (on an already wayyyy depleted backfield) went down. He hasn't done anything at ND, yet. I like him but to say that he's clearly underrated at this point is ignorant.

And we get plenty of 3-stars every year that see the field for special teams. This is nothing special.

Not accurate or true.
 
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Not accurate or true.

It's entirely true. I'm sorry that you're being bias if you can say, right now, without Cam even having a carry in his college career (maybe he has one, but I don't think so) that he was underrated. How can you even argue that when he hasn't done anything?
 
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Bogtrotter07

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I will bet you 55,000 vbucks that I can prove both of your statements wrong.
 
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3 carries for 9 yards.

1 carry against Purdue, and 2 against AF.

Jack,

I had him on the ropes, and you let him off? What have I ever done to you. I think you owe me some vbucks!

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Cam has 3 career carries for a total of 9 yards on a team that desperately needed another RB when Jonas went down.

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Definitely underrated.

I'm not saying that he won't make a difference at ND, but at this point we have no idea. He will definitely get his chance this year.

Ok then why are you saying Baratti is underrated? He has done absolutely nothing as a college player. So i think you should not be the one to attack someone else for saying a player is underrated when you did so yourself with an even less proven recruit. Both fact and the truth
 

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Ok then why are you saying Baratti is underrated? He has done absolutely nothing as a college player. So i think you should not be the one to attack someone else for saying a player is underrated when you did so yourself with an even less proven recruit. Both fact and the truth

Boom. This kind of "logical inconsistency" (being polite here; could also be called hypocrisy) is far too common here, unfortunately.
 
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Ok then why are you saying Baratti is underrated? He has done absolutely nothing as a college player. So i think you should not be the one to attack someone else for saying a player is underrated when you did so yourself with an even less proven recruit. Both fact and the truth

Look above. Cam already has his freshman year behind him and he burnt a potential red-shirt year, meaning Kelly needed him for special teams but not for RB, which is what he was. We needed a RB desperately when Jonas went down, and Kelly didn't turn to either Cam or Atkinson (not questioning Atkinson here, I think he's proved he's going to be a difference maker). So what warrants the 'underrated' tag for Cam?

This is apples to brazilian nuts. Baratti's in high school and allegedly is 6'3", 220, and runs a laser 4.45 40-yard dash and is a 3/4-star. Ratings in high-school are very dependent on the measurables above, especially since there's little parity in competition in high-school as opposed to college, where you can judge a player against his real peers. With Baratti's measurables, he rivals any player, at any position in the entire country. I mean, look at Shaq Thompson! He's listed at 6'1", 210, and 4.5 and everyone's drooling over him. That's why I think Baratti could be underrated.
 
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Okay, now back to it:

I think whenever a three star can make an impact at ND it is a great thing. First of all Coach Kelly specifically acknowledged all the members of the class for their contributions.
Second, every time I hear someone heap criticism on a player, making such a narrow value judgement I want to ask what that person ever did, that they can evaluate and judge with such certainty. Third, people on this site often talk out of their a$ses, without checking their facts. Or from a completly emotional perspective, without making sense. (I have been guilty of the last two.)
 
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That is what is listed everywhere (6'3") even on the laser timed 40 video.
 
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