'11 SC QB Everett Golson (FSU transfer)

[kmoose]

Somewhat. I don't think Tommy would take us to BCS heights in a pro-style offense either though, and we have more pieces suited to be part of a spread offense than a pro-style one. Tommy isn't necessarily a prototypical QB anyway you slice it. He's small and doesn't have a big arm.

It's a pretty common fact though that a QB's mobility plays a big part to his success in the spread much more than in a pro-style offense.

There's lots of reasons Notre Dame isn't elite though. You can't put it all on QB play.

That's the point I was trying to make.

 

[BeauBenken]

That's the point I was trying to make.

Sorry about that. lol I just saw the McElroy/Krenzel comment and chimed in. I honestly didn't read your guys' long *** posts before it. :smilewink I have no side in this fight. lol

 

[kmoose]

Are you serious? Craig Krenzel led OSU in rushing in the championship game against a Miami defense that was more talented than the 2011 LSU and Alabama defenses. You said plenty of teams and yet you only named two people and only 1 is legit and McElroy had the HEISMAN trophy winner in his backfield with the probable winner this year as his backup. The QB position is the single most reason why ND didn't get into a BCS bowl this year. 3 out of the 4 teams that beat them their QB's outplayed NDs.

Yes, I'm serious. Krenzel had a good day against Miami, running the ball (81 yards), but that was AFTER they got to the BCS. For the season, he averaged 2.3 yards per carry. So don't try to make it sound like Krenzel was some kind of great runner, a la Scott Frost at Nebraska. Krenzel was NOT a running QB. Guess what? Of the 4 losses this year? 3 out of the 4, their defense outplayed ours. So I guess the defense must be the obvious reason why we aren't elite?

 

[gkautz10]

So how does this debate that you guys are having relate to Everett?

 

[Sweetness34]

Yes, I'm serious. Krenzel had a good day against Miami, running the ball (81 yards), but that was AFTER they got to the BCS. For the season, he averaged 2.3 yards per carry. So don't try to make it sound like Krenzel was some kind of great runner, a la Scott Frost at Nebraska. Krenzel was NOT a running QB. Guess what? Of the 4 losses this year? 3 out of the 4, their defense outplayed ours. So I guess the defense must be the obvious reason why we aren't elite?

I never said he was elite, I said you need a QB that can be a run threat. 81 yards in the NC game in a pro-style offense would be considered a threat. Tommy probably doesn't have 81 yards in two years in a spread offense. The defense has an upside with the talent brought in. We have seen Tommy's upside and if we keep seeing it then 9-3 or 8-4 will have to be good enough because that is all we'll get. Remember, my argument is to be in the BCS hunt year in and year out we need a mobile QB.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Krenzel was a remarkably scrappy fellow and a genuinely good human being. I would take a Krenzel at Notre Dame every year if it were possible. The guy was a Molecular Genetics major while quarterbacking. That has Notre Dame guy written all over it.



So....tell me about this Everett Golson fellow. He sounds good..

 

[kmoose]

I never said he was elite, I said you need a QB that can be a run threat. 81 yards in the NC game in a pro-style offense would be considered a threat. Tommy probably doesn't have 81 yards in two years in a spread offense. The defense has an upside with the talent brought in. We have seen Tommy's upside and if we keep seeing it then 9-3 or 8-4 will have to be good enough because that is all we'll get. Remember, my argument is to be in the BCS hunt year in and year out we need a mobile QB.

So does the offense, with the guys that are waiting in the wings. But, just like the offense wasn't BCS caliber this year, neither was the defense. It was very good, but not elite. It certainly looks like the D will be elite, but it's not there just yet. So given that neither the QB position, nor the tailback position, nor the Defense were elite, then why should Rees take all of the blame for this team not being elite? Why do people seem to think that simply playing one of the other QBs is suddenly going to make this team elite?

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Living in columbus its seems like krenzel didnt do much with that "degree" with his john deer and cowboy boot cameos....


Rees can manage a game. And not lose a game...

Golson has the potential to be the game. And win games....and is the difference HOPEFULLY in the champs bowl and a bcs bowl.

Its that simple. Love tommy. But you saw stanford when hendrix was running the spread......didnt know how to defend us other than blitz a inexperienced qb.

Hendrix/Golson/Kiel have the athleticism to be the difference in winning games by just extending plays and having arms from extending plays to making plays.

 

[Sweetness34]

So does the offense, with the guys that are waiting in the wings. But, just like the offense wasn't BCS caliber this year, neither was the defense. It was very good, but not elite. It certainly looks like the D will be elite, but it's not there just yet. So given that neither the QB position, nor the tailback position, nor the Defense were elite, then why should Rees take all of the blame for this team not being elite? Why do people seem to think that simply playing one of the other QBs is suddenly going to make this team elite?

Because he's the QB at ND and that comes with the territory. grin:
Because having a QB that can move like the other two can erase the deficiencies that a defense may have, ask the team that has beaten ND three years in a row, Michigan. Your line doesn't have to be perfect every play, and not to mention they both can throw the ball down the field vertically. It's just a higher ceiling that's all.

 

[kmoose]

Because he's the QB at ND and that comes with the territory. grin:
Because having a QB that can move like the other two can erase the deficiencies that a defense may have, ask the team that has beaten ND three years in a row, Michigan. Your line doesn't have to be perfect every play, and not to mention they both can throw the ball down the field vertically. It's just a higher ceiling that's all.

And having an elite defense can make up for a pretty mediocre QB. Ask Greg McElroy........ or Terrelle Pryor in his freshman year. Just because there is an old adage that being the QB at ND is one of the toughest jobs in the world, that doesn't excuse us from being logical and analytical in our evaluation of the team. Post Like A Champion Today! And quit piling on Rees, and Kelly for starting him. I'm already seeing people say that Golson should be the starter, before Hendrix has even his first start under his belt. It's completely irrational.

 

[Sweetness34]

And having an elite defense can make up for a pretty mediocre QB. Ask Greg McElroy........ or Terrelle Pryor in his freshman year. Just because there is an old adage that being the QB at ND is one of the toughest jobs in the world, that doesn't excuse us from being logical and analytical in our evaluation of the team. Post Like A Champion Today! And quit piling on Rees, and Kelly for starting him. I'm already seeing people say that Golson should be the starter, before Hendrix has even his first start under his belt. It's completely irrational.

Since you won't believe me just listen to the first 35 minutes of the podcast that was done Dec. 5th and maybe they get the point I'm trying to make across better. Once again, I'm not trying to pile on Rees, all I am saying is that he is limited in what he can do. The other two and hopefully three with Gunner all have a higher ceilings than Tommy and bring more to the table if they had the same game experience as Tommy. Are they guaranteed to be better, no but they have the chance to put ND offensively at a higher level than what is possible with Rees. So listen to the podcast by respected ND experts. They talk about everything we discuss except our Krenzel tangent.
Irish Sports Daily Power Hour

 

[fitz_bu47]

Exactly Sweetness!! Tommy has won a lot of games for ND, and I love him for it! He is a tough, smart kid that can lead ND to a W most Saturdays.....BUT to win on a Monday in January, or even get there, the Irish need a QB who can completely open Kelly's playbook. Kelly knows that, and I trust him and the staff. Hendrix/Golson aren't ready, if one of them was, I think they would be the guy for the bowl game.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

Living in columbus its seems like krenzel didnt do much with that "degree" with his john deer and cowboy boot cameos....


Rees can manage a game. And not lose a game...

Golson has the potential to be the game. And win games....and is the difference HOPEFULLY in the champs bowl and a bcs bowl.

Its that simple. Love tommy. But you saw stanford when hendrix was running the spread......didnt know how to defend us other than blitz a inexperienced qb.

Hendrix/Golson/Kiel have the athleticism to be the difference in winning games by just extending plays and having arms from extending plays to making plays.

I hope Golson is not the difference in the Champs Bowl

 

[Sweetness34]

Exactly Sweetness!! Tommy has won a lot of games for ND, and I love him for it! He is a tough, smart kid that can lead ND to a W most Saturdays.....BUT to win on a Monday in January, or even get there, the Irish need a QB who can completely open Kelly's playbook. Kelly knows that, and I trust him and the staff. Hendrix/Golson aren't ready, if one of them was, I think they would be the guy for the bowl game.

That is my point. Golson won't burn a redshirt now. I hope in 2012 that one of them step up and be the QB and frankly I think Golson has more upside in this offense in college football than the other two. Now if Gunner is in the mix, he'll get redshirted too.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Living in columbus its seems like krenzel didnt do much with that "degree" with his john deer and cowboy boot cameos....

Wouldn't you? He made his millions in the NFL and makes a ton of cash living the dream (i.e. making personal appearances and being a local legend) currently.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

He didnt make millions

 

[kmoose]

So listen to the podcast by respected ND experts. They talk about everything we discuss except our Krenzel tangent.
Irish Sports Daily Power Hour

I listened. I know Mike Frank is respected by a fair amount of ND fans. However, the show lost me in the first 5 minutes, when one of the guys made the claim that only LSU, in the entire country, had a better defense than ND. And also that NO ONE in the country had better skill position players(and to add to his credibility issues with me, he included the Offensive line in that group). That's the nucleus from which he forms his opinions. He thinks that not a single other team had better offensive players(as a whole) than ND. So he's questioning why we didn't do better than 8-4. His basis for his opinion is completely insane.

 

[Buster Bluth]

He didnt make millions

Fair enough, he made $689,000 over two years in the NFL, and makes a damn fine salary with incredible hours today. He's doing alright.

 

[Sweetness34]

I listened. I know Mike Frank is respected by a fair amount of ND fans. However, the show lost me in the first 5 minutes, when one of the guys made the claim that only LSU, in the entire country, had a better defense than ND. And also that NO ONE in the country had better skill position players(and to add to his credibility issues with me, he included the Offensive line in that group). That's the nucleus from which he forms his opinions. He thinks that not a single other team had better offensive players(as a whole) than ND. So he's questioning why we didn't do better than 8-4. His basis for his opinion is completely insane.

Then there is nothing more to be said. GO ND in 2012! w/Hendrix or Golson

 

[kmoose]

GO ND in 2012! w/Hendrix or Golson

If Kelly decides that one of them gives us the best chance to win, then I'm all kinds of on board with that!!

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Hutton: Rice likes what he sees in ND’s Golson - Post-Tribune

It’s pretty clear where Tony Rice’s heart is when he speaks about who should play quarterback at Notre Dame — at least in time.


That would be freshman Everett Golson, mostly a clip board holder and sideline signal caller for the Irish this year.


Rice was the most dynamic, big-play quarterback I ever watched personally and he does have something to say about the matter: He was the last quarterback to lead Notre Dame to a national championship, in 1988.

It was love at first sight for Lou Holtz when he first watched Rice play in high school. Rice had 4.5 speed in the 40-yard dash. He had all the right genes for Holtz’s option-based offense, which relied on big-play producers in the backfield. Rice averaged 63.6 yards per game rushing and just over 106 yards per game passing in 1988. He completed just over 50 percent of his passes but he scored 17 touchdowns.


It was a different era — one in which sophisticated passing offenses weren’t a normal part of the game. Rice never made it to the NFL but he had some success in the Canadian Football League before settling back in South Bend.

It’s understood the quarterback job will morph into open competition mode when spring practice arrives with Golson, Tommy Rees and Andrew Hendrix all in the race.

Rice likes Golson. A lot.


“I got to see him in practice,” Rice said. “There shouldn’t be a quarterback controversy when it comes to being an athlete.”

Golson plays like Rice, which might be why he’s in his camp. There is also a geographical bias. Both are from South Carolina, not a state that typically produces starting quarterbacks for Notre Dame.


“I think he’s better than me,” Rice said. “I was watching highlights of him in high school. He did a tremendous job of controlling his team and putting points on the board both throwing and running.”

Golson also knows how to win. His high school team earned a football state title in his senior year and he led his basketball team to a state title. Golson also led Myrtle Beach High School to a state runner-up finish in 2009. Rice had a huge advantage getting that national championship ring. Twenty-one players from that 1988 team played in the NFL.

n n n

Surprised that Rees was named the starting quarterback for the Champs Sports Bowl?

I was.

It’s not that Rees shouldn’t be the guy, but I believed Kelly would wait before he named a starter. Maybe he’s trying to take pressure and focus off Hendrix, who certainly will have to play against the aggressive, pressing FSU defense, which is one of the best in the country. Kelly said Tuesday that the familiarity with the offense and the rapport Rees had with the receivers played a role in his decision.

It makes sense, that with Jonas Gray injured and with a swarming defense to navigate, that the more mobile Hendrix will get lots of playing time.

Twenty-three games into the Kelly era and the quarterback situation is still as muddled as ever. Here is the dilemma that Kelly faces next year:

If Rees isn’t the quarterback, the Irish are stuck playing someone without very much game experience in an offense and a system that isn’t easy to learn. If Rees is the guy, the Irish will have to endure another season of playing a quarterback who can’t extend plays with his feet.

If Golson is going to start next year, there is going to have to be a clear separation between him, Hendrix and Rees. That’ll be hard to pull off without substantial game experience.

It’s not accurate to say that Kelly wants an option-type quarterback, like Golson, for his system. He wants a quarterback who can run for yardage if a play breaks down.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

“I think he’s better than me,” Rice said.

Tony, if you're right.... dear lord, watch out college football.

Gotta love Tony Rice!!

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

I think the early (and hopefully long) part of Kelly's career at ND will be known for his handling of the QB situation.

Did he handle 2011 right? Was he right to go with Rees while trying to salvage this season or should he have given Hendrix the experience in preparation for the future?

But if he did that would it be fair to the rest of the team or look like he was throwing in the towel?

What will he do now that Hendrix is starting to get that experience and the even more athletic Golson is ready to compete? It looks to be a never ending QB conundrum and it could get crazier with Gunner on board.

All in all, there are tons of D1 programs that would love to have this problem. But that doesn't mean Kelly is allowed to screw it up

The dreamer in me is hoping Kelly knows what he has in Golson and the kid is just gonna run and throw his way to a NC.

 

[NYMIKE6]

First step get Everett some meaningful reps in practice. Can't worry about game experience if your not even taking reps with 1st or 2nd team offense. Staying with scout team will stunt his growth even more.

 

[PatsandBostonfan1975]

Spring game I remember this kid looking better than all of them. Raw but it's in him that's for sure I think he's our future for sure.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

First step get Everett some meaningful reps in practice. Can't worry about game experience if your not even taking reps with 1st or 2nd team offense. Staying with scout team will stunt his growth even more.

He'll most likely have to wait until Spring to get meaningful practice reps. Kelly said Mulvey would play over him if the need arose in the bowl game.

 

[NYMIKE6]

He'll most likely have to wait until Spring to get meaningful practice reps. Kelly said Mulvey would play over him if the need arose in the bowl game.

Thats frustrating. I believe if Everett had meaning snaps in practice all season long we would be ready enough to get things going this spring as the starter. The only thing we can do is hope he gets it now.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

From what I've read, Everett does get a few reps during some practices. It may not be many, but it's a start. I don't quite remember the article. I believe it was earlier in the season when the coaches were raving about his abilities on the scout team. I think it was then brought up that he does in fact get limited time practicing BK's offense. Again, I don't remember the details.

 

[Chamellion]

Thats frustrating. I believe if Everett had meaning snaps in practice all season long we would be ready enough to get things going this spring as the starter. The only thing we can do is hope he gets it now.

Red Shirt. Thats why he wont ever come into the bowl game.

 

[NYMIKE6]

Red Shirt. Thats why he wont ever come into the bowl game.

I didn't mean bowl game i meant get a fair shake in the spring.