What do you guys think about starting Hendrix?

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Crist has probably taken his last snap for the Irish. Now that a Champs Sports Bowl berth is a near certainty, I expect to see a lot more reps for the young players; and that means more Hendrix.

I'll be interested to see whether or not Kelly officially names Hendrix the #2 and starts giving him 1st team reps in practice.

Bring on the Criminoles!

 

[BobD]

Crist has probably taken his last snap for the Irish. Now that a Champs Sports Bowl berth is a near certainty, I expect to see a lot more reps for the young players; and that means more Hendrix.

I'll be interested to see whether or not Kelly officially names Hendrix the #2 and starts giving him 1st team reps in practice.

I think he'll name Hendrix #2 after Navy. I have a feeling Rees will struggle to maintain the #1 spot next year, maybe even late this year.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Bring on the Criminoles!

You mean the Semen-holes©? (credit to D!ck Shans)

Could this be the 2011 nadir, just like Tulsa was in 2010? That would mean an upset over Stanford and a dominating win over FSU to finish 10-3. I could live with that.

 

[D-BOE34]

I think it would be a mistake. Give him several series against Navy that he finishes all the way through. 3 and outs, long drives, 2 minute drill. We have the opportunity to actually see what our backups can do and we need to take advantage of that. I feel BK is plenty smart enough to make a game time situation like this happen while still winning the game.

P.S.
I will be at the Navy game and I really hope Hendrix gets a ton of snaps! And FORCES BK's hand to make a switch.

 

[BGIF]

They taught me in B-school that every no is one step closer to a yes!

Cue dancing pepper >>>

Ask for your money back!

The school of hard knocks taught sales people to learn to "love" No millenia ago because ON AVERAGE your sale will come if you persist and you make enough calls.

More important that the average is FINDING AND QUALIFYING THE DECISION MAKER. Getting Yeses or Nos on a message board isn't reaching the Decision Maker.

As for the message board, you also haven't handled KMoose's objection. Overcoming The Objection like leverage on the line of scrimage is fundamental. Fail to handle the objection and you get brushed aside like ND's DLine Saturday night.


Nice pepper though.

 

[kmoose]

The problem is as Notre Dame fans we are not that excited about Tommy. We want to be back in the BCS, and we know that Tommy will not get us there.

You really should take that mouse out of your pocket.

 

[Buster Bluth]

expect to see much more of #12 vs. Navy and moreso afterwards if he does well. Tommy's injury and Dayne fumble gives BK the ideal situation to insert Hendrix in w/out ruffling feathers

There you go, I called it. Here's hoping the kid is up to it.

+1

 

[Murphy921]

Oh, NOW this is a good idea. When I brought up playing him, I was the scarlet letter. All I saw was a bunch of crap about how Tommy "he just has it" Reese was the man, or from those really dilusional people that the true freshman Golson was the next Jesus in cleats.

Well thank the football gods that there are 40+ y/o men to sit up at 3am and post on a internet blog about college football, so that pee-ons like myself can know when its ok to be right. Thank the stars.

And before you start thinking about using the "pot calling the kettle black" line, I'm deployed so save it. Whatever spare time I can find involves sleeping, eating, and reading what you geniuses have to say in the hopes that someone has some actually valuable intel. It amuses me. Must be nice to actually be able to watch the game every week.

You can delete my account now. I promise I'll try to hold back the tears.

 

[meowmix]

Tommy Rees is the guy, this year, next year, and most likely, the year beyond that. I'm pretty sure that many people here are falling into the logic trap that Andrew Hendrix and Everett Golson will get better with more experience, while Tommy Rees will stay the same. I'm not buying it, but thanks for the sales pitch, all the same.

If you don't mind, what is the reason for your abundance of confidence in Rees? If you feel the need to, you can throw out the 8-2 record, but please answer with a real reason after that. Personally, I think he has reached at least 95% of his maximum potential. He has shown little to no improvement against good teams.

 

[t3hjc]

lol @ advocating throwing the season away. We're trying to win over recruits.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

Ask for your money back!

The school of hard knocks taught sales people to learn to "love" No millenia ago because ON AVERAGE your sale will come if you persist and you make enough calls.

More important that the average is FINDING AND QUALIFYING THE DECISION MAKER. Getting Yeses or Nos on a message board isn't reaching the Decision Maker.

As for the message board, you also haven't handled KMoose's objection. Overcoming The Objection like leverage on the line of scrimage is fundamental. Fail to handle the objection and you get brushed aside like ND's DLine Saturday night.


Nice pepper though.

I tried and was told no, so I am getting closer.

As for your comment on the pepper. That's really all I was looking for.

 

[IrishAlum1997]

Oh, NOW this is a good idea. When I brought up playing him, I was the scarlet letter. All I saw was a bunch of crap about how Tommy "he just has it" Reese was the man, or from those really dilusional people that the true freshman Golson was the next Jesus in cleats.

Well thank the football gods that there are 40+ y/o men to sit up at 3am and post on a internet blog about college football, so that pee-ons like myself can know when its ok to be right. Thank the stars.

And before you start thinking about using the "pot calling the kettle black" line, I'm deployed so save it. Whatever spare time I can find involves sleeping, eating, and reading what you geniuses have to say in the hopes that someone has some actually valuable intel. It amuses me. Must be nice to actually be able to watch the game every week.

You can delete my account now. I promise I'll try to hold back the tears.

Hey....I'm 35! Thanks for your service. Pee on.

 

[tankjeep]

Crist has probably taken his last snap for the Irish. Now that a Champs Sports Bowl berth is a near certainty, I expect to see a lot more reps for the young players; and that means more Hendrix.

I'll be interested to see whether or not Kelly officially names Hendrix the #2 and starts giving him 1st team reps in practice.

agreed.

 

[kmoose]

If you don't mind, what is the reason for your abundance of confidence in Rees? If you feel the need to, you can throw out the 8-2 record, but please answer with a real reason after that. Personally, I think he has reached at least 95% of his maximum potential. He has shown little to no improvement against good teams.

1. I don't have an "abundance of confidence" in Rees. He has to stop turning the ball over, period. But he's only a sophomore. If you have watched college football for more than a few years, you'll know that young QBs tend to have a lot of INTs.

2. The guy has a 66% completion percentage; so it's not like he throws a lot of bad passes, or can't make most, if not all, of the throws.

3. Kelly has constantly praised him for getting the offense into the right play, based on pre snap reads. Kelly really opened up the playbook for him, this year. That tells me that he has picked up enough to earn Kelly's confidence.

4. He's pretty unflappable in the pocket. He doesn't often panic, and he has pretty good pocket presence, in terms of feeling the rush. This is rare in any college QB, let alone an underclassman.

5. He's not perfect, but he's the best we have, and he's likely to progress as well as, if not better than, either Hendrix or Golson. And he's certainly capable of leading the team to a victory. See the game winning drive against Pitt.

6. Mostly, I'm just tired of people using lame excuses to try to turn the kid into a scapegoat.

 

[phgreek]

WOW,

Based on what my eyes see, and the Ws and Ls, I think the one remaining member of the cervidae family on this board is a little too confident...or maybe Clairvoyant...

Tommy really hasn't done such a bad job...but he hasn't sold me on his ability to be a BCS winning QB either. He has the calmness...clearly the short memory...timing of delivery (most times) just not convinced he has the decision-making and athleticism to get it done consistently at the elite level.

I think you can say the team won against USC last year, but Tommy was at best a neutral impact there. Miami, positive impact...SFL, I'd say neutral again, Michigan, neutral overall, MIS, Positive, USC 11, i'd say neutral impact.

OOps forgot Utah...positive

So far in big games he seemed to be the leading man you must be three times...and jiminy crickets we won. BTW, I can't go less than neutral because the alternative...well, we just saw the alternative.

Not saying Tommy can't be the guy...but given what we've seen, its a bit over the top to be sure of anything unless your name is Kelly.

Sure, I'd like to see Hendrix continue in a similar role...makes DCs have to deal with it.

BTW #10 never gets a chance to fumble if Hendrix gets his head around and doesn't get stuck on our own blockers...I like him, but more QBs find the endzone there than not...Sooo, even on things that are his strengths, he isn't all that "poised" either. So I think if his role expands rapidly, we'll lose. I get the sentiment of "choose to take your lumps now"...I'm more in the camp of showing recruits we can win and figure out the QB thing in the off-season...i.e. if Tommy looks in the rearview mirror, he can see something...probably won't catch him in '11, but will be interesting in '12.

I liked the topic though...FWIW.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

1. I don't have an "abundance of confidence" in Rees. He has to stop turning the ball over, period. But he's only a sophomore. If you have watched college football for more than a few years, you'll know that young QBs tend to have a lot of INTs.

2. The guy has a 66% completion percentage; so it's not like he throws a lot of bad passes, or can't make most, if not all, of the throws.

3. Kelly has constantly praised him for getting the offense into the right play, based on pre snap reads. Kelly really opened up the playbook for him, this year. That tells me that he has picked up enough to earn Kelly's confidence.

4. He's pretty unflappable in the pocket. He doesn't often panic, and he has pretty good pocket presence, in terms of feeling the rush. This is rare in any college QB, let alone an underclassman.

5. He's not perfect, but he's the best we have, and he's likely to progress as well as, if not better than, either Hendrix or Golson. And he's certainly capable of leading the team to a victory. See the game winning drive against Pitt.

6. Mostly, I'm just tired of people using lame excuses to try to turn the kid into a scapegoat.

8-2... I'll take it. Go Tommy!!!

 

[IrishJayhawk]

1. I don't have an "abundance of confidence" in Rees. He has to stop turning the ball over, period. But he's only a sophomore. If you have watched college football for more than a few years, you'll know that young QBs tend to have a lot of INTs.

2. The guy has a 66% completion percentage; so it's not like he throws a lot of bad passes, or can't make most, if not all, of the throws.

3. Kelly has constantly praised him for getting the offense into the right play, based on pre snap reads. Kelly really opened up the playbook for him, this year. That tells me that he has picked up enough to earn Kelly's confidence.

4. He's pretty unflappable in the pocket. He doesn't often panic, and he has pretty good pocket presence, in terms of feeling the rush. This is rare in any college QB, let alone an underclassman.

5. He's not perfect, but he's the best we have, and he's likely to progress as well as, if not better than, either Hendrix or Golson. And he's certainly capable of leading the team to a victory. See the game winning drive against Pitt.

6. Mostly, I'm just tired of people using lame excuses to try to turn the kid into a scapegoat.

Agree with a lot of this.

Kelly has way more riding on Notre Dame winning than any of us do. If Rees didn't give us the best chance to win, he wouldn't start.

 

[meowmix]

All good reasons. Thank you for not trotting out the tired argument about the record. You have to understand, I'll root for the team regardless of who's playing. The only point I disagree with is 5. I personally just feel that he doesn't give us the best chance to win against legitimately good teams.

Also, re: 6, I'm definitely not making Tommy the scapegoat. I hate it when QBs get saddled with all the blame or glory. The team as a whole, with very few exceptions (Eifert and GAIII), played like dogcrap. I don't want Hendrix to play because I blame Tommy for the loss, I want him to play because Kelly's offense does better with QBs with the ability to run.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

All good reasons. Thank you for not trotting out the tired argument about the record. You have to understand, I'll root for the team regardless of who's playing. The only point I disagree with is 5. I personally just feel that he doesn't give us the best chance to win against legitimately good teams.

Also, re: 6, I'm definitely not making Tommy the scapegoat. I hate it when QBs get saddled with all the blame or glory. The team as a whole, with very few exceptions (Eifert and GAIII), played like dogcrap. I don't want Hendrix to play because I blame Tommy for the loss, I want him to play because Kelly's offense does better with QBs with the ability to run.

8-2

 

[IrishJayhawk]

All good reasons. Thank you for not trotting out the tired argument about the record. You have to understand, I'll root for the team regardless of who's playing. The only point I disagree with is 5. I personally just feel that he doesn't give us the best chance to win against legitimately good teams.

Also, re: 6, I'm definitely not making Tommy the scapegoat. I hate it when QBs get saddled with all the blame or glory. The team as a whole, with very few exceptions (Eifert and GAIII), played like dogcrap. I don't want Hendrix to play because I blame Tommy for the loss, I want him to play because Kelly's offense does better with QBs with the ability to run.

Exhibit #1: Tony Pike
Exhibit #2: Dayne Crist

Wait...

 

[kmoose]

I don't want Hendrix to play because I blame Tommy for the loss, I want him to play because Kelly's offense does better with QBs with the ability to run.

Brian Kelly disagrees with you; see his repeated comments about Tony Pike not being a runner, but running his offense at a very high level of production.

 

[meowmix]

WOW,

Based on what my eyes see, and the Ws and Ls, I think the one remaining member of the cervidae family on this board is a little too confident...or maybe Clairvoyant...

Tommy really hasn't done such a bad job...but he hasn't sold me on his ability to be a BCS winning QB either. He has the calmness...clearly the short memory...timing of delivery (most times) just not convinced he has the decision-making and athleticism to get it done consistently at the elite level.

I think you can say the team won against USC last year, but Tommy was at best a neutral impact there. Miami, positive impact...SFL, I'd say neutral again, Michigan, neutral overall, MIS, Positive, USC 11, i'd say neutral impact.

OOps forgot Utah...positive

So far in big games he seemed to be the leading man you must be three times...and jiminy crickets we won. BTW, I can't go less than neutral because the alternative...well, we just saw the alternative.

Not saying Tommy can't be the guy...but given what we've seen, its a bit over the top to be sure of anything unless your name is Kelly.

Sure, I'd like to see Hendrix continue in a similar role...makes DCs have to deal with it.

BTW #10 never gets a chance to fumble if Hendrix gets his head around and doesn't get stuck on our own blockers...I like him, but more QBs find the endzone there than not...Sooo, even on things that are his strengths, he isn't all that "poised" either. So I think if his role expands rapidly, we'll lose. I get the sentiment of "choose to take your lumps now"...I'm more in the camp of showing recruits we can win and figure out the QB thing in the off-season...i.e. if Tommy looks in the rearview mirror, he can see something...probably won't catch him in '11, but will be interesting in '12.

I liked the topic though...FWIW.

Thanks. I didn't want this to turn into a PLAY HENDRIX OR WE LOSE thread. I wanted to get some good opinions from either side to see how people felt. The point about showing recruits we're tough enough to bounce back and turn things around is a good one. Tommy Rees is not a bad QB, I just don't think he's good enough to make up for a lot of the detrimental parts of our team.

 

[meowmix]

8-2

A unique and well-thought out point. Sharp analysis.

 

[pkt77242]

joey, he done nothing but what he has been asked to do? So, missing all those open WR is what he is asked to do. And 11 or 12 turnovers by him alone is what he is asked to do?

I disagree. He is what he is. A turnover machine that can't run. But, just good enough to lead us to a Sun Bowl level bowl.

Please use real facts not made up ones. Rees is not responsible for 11 or 12 turnovers this year. Sorry. 7 INT and I believe 2 fumbles. You just hate Rees admit it.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Brian Kelly disagrees with you; see his repeated comments about Tony Pike not being a runner, but running his offense at a very high level of production.

Please don't take any offense, Moose, but I want to tell a quick story. When I was a kid, I knew this little girl that REALLY loved her white bunny. She loved that bunny just a bit too much. Once, a couple fellas on my bus told her about some bunnies they saw at a fair, and the chick went batsh!t crazy, saying there were no other better bunnies. It made no sense, but no one ever mentioned bunnies around her again.

My point is, I think you like Rees just a bit too much...

 

[IrishJayhawk]

A unique and well-thought out point. Sharp analysis.

It's his thing. That's why I think he's hilarious.

 

[pkt77242]

You're right I just watched the replay he didn't slip. Still Eifert engages with the defender and doesn't come clean. There is also a DB to the inside forcing the throw wide. I was more upset at the throw he missed to Floyd the play before. I just dont understand the criticism some people throw at this kid. None of them must of ever played QB or offense for that matter. ... He's done nothing but what he asked of and to the best of his ability in the 1.5 he's been at ND. We just have to face the fact he's not an elite QB. And yes he's the guy for the rest of the season without a doubt.

There was someone underneath the route forcing him to throw wide. Still a crappy throw but more understandable when you see the whole picture.

 

[pkt77242]

1. I don't have an "abundance of confidence" in Rees. He has to stop turning the ball over, period. But he's only a sophomore. If you have watched college football for more than a few years, you'll know that young QBs tend to have a lot of INTs.

2. The guy has a 66% completion percentage; so it's not like he throws a lot of bad passes, or can't make most, if not all, of the throws.

3. Kelly has constantly praised him for getting the offense into the right play, based on pre snap reads. Kelly really opened up the playbook for him, this year. That tells me that he has picked up enough to earn Kelly's confidence.

4. He's pretty unflappable in the pocket. He doesn't often panic, and he has pretty good pocket presence, in terms of feeling the rush. This is rare in any college QB, let alone an underclassman.


5. He's not perfect, but he's the best we have, and he's likely to progress as well as, if not better than, either Hendrix or Golson. And he's certainly capable of leading the team to a victory. See the game winning drive against Pitt.

6. Mostly, I'm just tired of people using lame excuses to try to turn the kid into a scapegoat.

x1000

Thank you

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Please don't take any offense, Moose, but I want to tell a quick story. When I was a kid, I knew this little girl that REALLY loved her white bunny. She loved that bunny just a bit too much. Once, a couple fellas on my bus told her about some bunnies they saw at a fair, and the chick went batsh!t crazy, saying there were no other better bunnies. It made no sense, but no one ever mentioned bunnies around her again.

My point is, I think you like Rees just a bit too much...

Can she run the spread?

 

[meowmix]

Brian Kelly disagrees with you; see his repeated comments about Tony Pike not being a runner, but running his offense at a very high level of production.

I haven't seen the offense run at a very high level of production against a good team. In fact, I only saw a high level of production against Purdue and Air Force.