What grade would you give BK thus far.
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Well if Aaron Lynch and GA3 are any indication of what's coming...Brian Kelly might end up staying alittle longer than the average.
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I like BK. I think he can do it. I 'd like to see him retire from coaching at ND after 10 or so very successful years.
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I'm sick of being told we're overrated, not believing it, and then having it proven to me.
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Offense: D (inconsistant)
Defense: B- (DB play has been horrible. If I see one more duck stay in the air for what seems like forever and no one break it up...ughhh)
Special Teams: B- (Atkins is the only reason this is not a D. I have to say I really enjoy watching the kick-offs finally go out of the back of the end zone)
Coaching: D
Recruiting: A (recruiting has not been an issue with the last few coaches so not impressed!)
Overall: C-
Team is still soft and not disciplined! I believe that is the reflection of the head coach! I have seen nothing that leads me to believe that BK is any different the Weis. Sorry!
Defense: B- (DB play has been horrible. If I see one more duck stay in the air for what seems like forever and no one break it up...ughhh)
Special Teams: B- (Atkins is the only reason this is not a D. I have to say I really enjoy watching the kick-offs finally go out of the back of the end zone)
Coaching: D
Recruiting: A (recruiting has not been an issue with the last few coaches so not impressed!)
Overall: C-
Team is still soft and not disciplined! I believe that is the reflection of the head coach! I have seen nothing that leads me to believe that BK is any different the Weis. Sorry!
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Kelly is Swarbrick's guy. There's no way he gives Kelly the boot unless it becomes absolutely clear that the team is headed in the wrong direction. As TerryTate mentioned earlier, you don't need advanced stats to see that this ND team is better overall than any team we've seen in the past decade.
And even if we go by simply Ws and Ls, we were 8-5 in 2010, which most people seem to regard as a successful first season for Kelly. We'll likely finish 2011 10-3 or 9-4, which would make for a damned good season, especially with our current history of mediocrity.
I just don't understand the panic.
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The panic comes from how long we have endured bad football. I graduated in 04. Which means I got Davie and Willingham as a student. Then 5 years (I still can't believe we gave him that long) of Weis as an alum. And now several mind boggling defeats under Kelly.
The frustration keeps mounting and it makes us desperate. When all you've been fed is a crap sandwich for years, you get a tendency to think that everything is going to, in fact, turn to crap when things go wrong.
The frustration keeps mounting and it makes us desperate. When all you've been fed is a crap sandwich for years, you get a tendency to think that everything is going to, in fact, turn to crap when things go wrong.
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I was an undergrad from 2002-2006, and then a law student from 2007-2009. I've endured plenty of pain.
Rome wasn't built in a day. This team has improved dramatically since BK arrived.
Overall I'd give him a C
All that matters is to WIN!
Right now the ND is just a average team.
On that note, Kelly needs more time. He should be given 5 years like most of the Irish coaches had. If the team is still mediocre after 5 years, then it's time to look for someone else
All that matters is to WIN!
Right now the ND is just a average team.
On that note, Kelly needs more time. He should be given 5 years like most of the Irish coaches had. If the team is still mediocre after 5 years, then it's time to look for someone else
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I think this is a very cool thread and I have enjoyed reading all the posts. With 20 games under Kelly's belt, grading him thus far is reasonable I think. I want to go back to the option play on ND's second possession. For what it is worth, I want to share my opinion. That was a very bad play call that encapsulated what I thought was a very, very bad game plan. Everyone knows SC is fast and you can't spread it on them very well. Their weakness was supposed to be in the trenches. I was very shocked that we did not work harder to run it vertically "down their throats" as the saying goes. ND has been riding high on one of the better run games in recent memory coming into this game. So to me, there is no exuse for the lack of an established run game this past Saturday (nor the lack of effort to run). One more thing, is it me or is Steve Filer biting on a pump fake on the edge a coaching thing? I mean isn't that assignment football - don't leave your feet and take the guy down? That happend twice on third down! Oh well. I give Kelly a C+ and I do like the guy a lot.
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I think it's fair to give him a grade for what he's done so far, so long as you keep the small sample-size in mind. If you get an F on a quiz the first week of class that only counts for 1% of your grade, it might not mean anything in the long-run, but it also doesn't change the fact that you currently are getting an F in the class.
So far I'd give him a C+. The recruiting has been great, and is probably propping his overall grade quite a bit. Take that away, and it's probably closer to a D imo.
But, as many have suggested, it's still very early in his tenure, and I do still think he has the ability to get the programs where we all want it to go. Whether or not he actually does it won't be known for another 2 years at minimum, and probably closer to 3.
So far I'd give him a C+. The recruiting has been great, and is probably propping his overall grade quite a bit. Take that away, and it's probably closer to a D imo.
But, as many have suggested, it's still very early in his tenure, and I do still think he has the ability to get the programs where we all want it to go. Whether or not he actually does it won't be known for another 2 years at minimum, and probably closer to 3.
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I agree. The problem and/or "panic" is caused by the way college football is currently set up with rankings, polls and bowls instead of a play off system. 8-5 or better is pretty good in the NFL, but not in college ball. Even 10-2 could spell disaster for a team, just because someone else manages to stay unbeaten by playing patsies, there are so many teams, many with easy wins built into their schedule. We need a play off system to eliminate this idea that the best team in the country has to be unbeaten. A championship should be determined on the field not by opinions.
It would also help schools stabilize recruiting and retain good coaches. College football has become such a huge friggin business, even when teams have a decent year....8-5, 9-4 people start screaming for heads to roll because it's not good enough for a championship.
The reasons above are why I only graded BK on W & L's, whether I like it or not, because of the way things are currently set up in college football, if he has another year like this in 2012, chances are he'll be replaced. I mentioned it earlier in this thread, 3.9 years is about the average tenure of a college football coach.....BK seems new to us, but in college football years, he's almost half done. It sucks, but thats what it's become.
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I still think it has more to do with year-on-year improvement. We were 6-6 in both 2008 and 2009, and things weren't going to turn around quickly under Weis. Kelly comes in and we finish 8-5; our offense took a predictable step backwards with Clausen and Tate jumping early for the NFL, but our defense made huge strides; the overall improvement is even more impressive in light of all the off-field controversies the team had to deal with.
Most of the grumbling this year is a product of Kelly's success, ironically. This team still has serious flaws-- depth at DL, DB, and RB; lack of a QB that fits the system, etc.-- but Kelly still had them playing at such a high level that the BCS seemed like it was within reach. Those flaws have caused us to drop a few games, and people are insanely calling for Kelly's job already. Is it his fault that Weis left massive holes on the depth chart, or that neither Crist nor Rees can run his offense?
I think we'll finish this season at 10-3 or 9-4, which would count as a successful season, having improved over last year. Next year's schedule is difficult enough that we could conceivably improve and still finish 7-5 or 8-4.
2013 and 2014 are going to be the real test for Kelly. If he hasn't gotten us back to the BCS by then, he'll be on the hot seat. But barring a major scandal or a total collapse, I really can't see him getting fired before 2014.
And thank God for that! We, as fans, need to remember how horrifying the coaching carousel is. ND is just now emerging from ~15 years of mediocrity because we whiffed on three consecutive HC hires. Kelly's track record of success is staggering; who's waiting in the wings that would surely do a better job?
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IMHO there is nobody I'd rather have as HC than BK. If it were up to me, I'd try to extend his contract thru 2016 and be happy with whatever happens. Don't get me wrong, I'll still cuss his decisions from time to time, but all in all. He's an awesome coach, I think he was hand made for being the HC at The University of Notre Dame.
Boy is this is a statement that could to come back and bite me in the a$$!
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I agree with you 100%. IMO if BK can't win at Notre Dame no one can.
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..after watching the post game clip on und.com I think BK is right to put the onus on the players. I have heard some ppl say that he was wrong for doing that, but there are times in life when you need ante up, and its time the players ante up. Its time to step up and be accountable.
this is just one example:
a certain freshman needs to stop getting personal fouls/15 yard penalties, straight up. its ridculous. his playing time needs to suffer if that continues, he is hurting the team in that respect.
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I give him an A. Look, I hate "if" scenarios, you won or lost. But we are talking about one play in the USF game costing them a win; one play in the SC game costing them, momentum wise, a likely win and if one of the ten blunders in the UM game is eliminated then it, too, would have been a win. I put what has happened so far entirely on the players.
Folks, this is not Charlie Weis. This team is not getting blown out, they are outgaining teams on offense and playing good defense.
If ND is not winning significant games in 2013, then this question should be revisited. Yes, I said 2013. I think the team loses a lot of quality this year. To me, eight wins would be a success next year. I am disappointed with how this season has transpired but Kelly is being honest, not making excuses, when he says they are building a program from the ground up. He doesn't speak to tradition much, which I appreciate. He is trying to tastefully mesh ND's tradition with some much needed modernazation. He is a good fit because tradition becomes history, history becomes myth and frankly, to the people who count (17 and 18 year old high school football players) ND is walking the line of becoming history. Kelly is fighting that but he needs one less bonehead play per game to accomish his goal.
Folks, this is not Charlie Weis. This team is not getting blown out, they are outgaining teams on offense and playing good defense.
If ND is not winning significant games in 2013, then this question should be revisited. Yes, I said 2013. I think the team loses a lot of quality this year. To me, eight wins would be a success next year. I am disappointed with how this season has transpired but Kelly is being honest, not making excuses, when he says they are building a program from the ground up. He doesn't speak to tradition much, which I appreciate. He is trying to tastefully mesh ND's tradition with some much needed modernazation. He is a good fit because tradition becomes history, history becomes myth and frankly, to the people who count (17 and 18 year old high school football players) ND is walking the line of becoming history. Kelly is fighting that but he needs one less bonehead play per game to accomish his goal.
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Did you watch the USC game? I saw a 99-yard fumble recovery go USC's way, and without that it's a 24-24 game.
"capable of playing with" = close games. The USC game was a close game. I don't know what you watched.
I don't think he's close to an "A" but you get an "A" on the rest of your comments.
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You're obviously angry and having a temper tantrum about NDs performance on the field. I understand your frustration but to say this program is no better than when he got here is dead wrong.
BK is restructuring the atmosphere and mindset of the Notre Dame football program from the inside out. These things, when done right, take a 3 to 4 years.
The guy is a proven winner and program developer. In year 4, if ND is not challenging for at least a BCS bowl game then we have a problem..
The BS hyperbole was your's.
The difference in '11 was the turnovers.
In '08 ND got their first, First Down on the last play of the 3rd Q.
There are too many Weis blowout embarrassments to rcap.
Willingham ...
Davie's '98 nightgame against MSU, something like 42-3 at halftime.
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Parshegian USC '74 The Trojans score 55 unanswered points in 17 minutes after trailing 24-0. ND, 9-1, was ranked #5 at the time. A month later ND beat #2, Undefeated Alabama in the Orange Bowl.
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Did you even watch this year's Michigan State game? I found that to be an impressive game, and it's the chief reason why I expected them to compete better against USC. The bottom line is the defense needs continued improvement, which it will as the younger guys gain more experience and our recruiting adds depth in areas of need. The biggest area of concern is in the senseless turnovers and penalties, which are connected with the caliber of the athlete we are coaching up.
Many people want to say that USC manhandled us, but if USC had truly manhandled us, we wouldn't have had a shot to win the game. We were able to punch back, yet eventually took ourselves out of the game by not capitalizing on the cards we were playing right.
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Nah, they manhandled our d-line with an o-line that was young and very inexperienced. Their d-line also embarrassed our o-line that was consistent all year long. BK panicking and abandoning the run when there was clearly plenty of time in the game show was not really showing poise, for a coach. Our tackling looked like the Weis years. Only phase of the game we did well was special teams. Thats it. Breakdown the stats, we got manhandled bro.
Just stop. I've been casually following Notre Dame for over 20 years, and rabidly following them for for the last 10 or so. Regardless of the 5-3 record, this is without question the BEST team we've put on the field in that time. In our 3 losses, we have 13 turnovers. We could put Jesus on the sideline and he's not going to prevent Dayne from fumbling a snap or Tommy throwing the ball behind him. At some point, the kids have to execute.
And this just in: Rankings don't mean much. As they seem important to you though, take a gander at USC's in a couple weeks. (hint: it's going to be a good one)
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I don't like Colin Cowherd, but he said it well this morning. BK doesn't have the TALENT to beat scUM, USC and other difficult teams in the same season. We just don't have the talent yet. I know this may upset some people, but I believe its reality. He has done almost as well as he possible can with what he has.
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BK has earned a C so far...Look, the team IS improved...the players he has are NOT his players or players that were recruited for HIS system...that being said, I can forgive some of the bone-headed calls from him and bone-headed plays from the players...it's still a learning curve for EVERYONE; including BK....but unless he went winless to get an automatic F, or won it all to get an automatic A, he is still in a state of transition, which equals a C, in my book....
I think ND is going in the right direction, but I'm leery and wary of thinking that many times before with ND though....The defense IS MUCH BETTER then from the Weis era; the offense though, I'm far from impressed with...Special teams, flip a coin, but I lean towards BK....we'll see how he pans out from here though....give the man a solid 3 years and then on year 4, I think it'll be fair to be criticize and grade BK extensively and thoroughly to see if we are where we should be as an eltie program again...
but that's just my opinion....
I think ND is going in the right direction, but I'm leery and wary of thinking that many times before with ND though....The defense IS MUCH BETTER then from the Weis era; the offense though, I'm far from impressed with...Special teams, flip a coin, but I lean towards BK....we'll see how he pans out from here though....give the man a solid 3 years and then on year 4, I think it'll be fair to be criticize and grade BK extensively and thoroughly to see if we are where we should be as an eltie program again...
but that's just my opinion....