ND & Texas to the Big 10?

[50milesSE ND]

Some of the "experts" on espn have said that if superconferences do happen then that could lead to them leaving NCAA if they don't like the format. This in turn would make only the teams in the superconferences the elites. That's where all others would lose out.

 

[arndtjc]

Some of the "experts" on espn have said that if superconferences do happen then that could lead to them leaving NCAA if they don't like the format. This in turn would make only the teams in the superconferences the elites. That's where all others would lose out.

That makes no sense whatsoever??

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

I really think this is a huge fallacy. Lots of people believe playoffs would make the regular season less exciting, but I just don't see how. Every game will still matter TONS because you only play 12. And instead of the 90% of teams that are completely out of it by week 6 because they have 2 losses... you'll still be in the running for a shot at your conference title.

Also.... there will be more big OOC games under a 4 conference +1 playoff system because it will remove the downside from losing a game OOC. So all of the schools that duck playing good teams now (re: Michigan) will instead have incentive to go play an Alabama or a USC on a neutral site or what have you.

I completely agree.

 

[arndtjc]

You're saying the super conferences would branch out and make their own athletics governing body?

 

[JughedJones]

You're saying the super conferences would branch out and make their own athletics governing body?

I've heard this from countless outlets as well.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

That makes no sense whatsoever??

I think what he is trying to say is that if super conferences formed and left the NCAA then they could make their own rules. That means paying players and that means getting all the top recruits.

 

[arndtjc]

That would never ever ever ever happen thanks to the anti trust laws of the great country of the United States of America. And if it were to happen, they would be in debt for the rest of eternity after being sued by the NCAA. Never. Gonna. Happen.

 

[50milesSE ND]

Yes, Hopefully it doesn't besides espn is probably behind everything anyways trying to drive the heard where they want it to go.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

4 super conferences would make for 64 relevant teams. Everyone else would be out in the cold. I don't see how this is good.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

If 64 teams want to form 4 super-conferences, leave the NCAA and start paying players then I say let them go.

Leaving the NCAA to avoid the rules and regulations is a big stride down the slippery slope to minor league football. Once they have gone too far they will begin to kill interest in their product because they fans like winning (of course) but their interest is really kindled by the affiliation with the school. This is why major college football has prevented the existence of minor league football. Diminish the players' relationship to the school and student life and you reduce the initial and most powerful draw for the fans.

If ND is left in the "B" division of college football for awhile then so be it. I have no interest in minor league football sponsored by Notre Dame.

 

[beryirish]

ESPN is saying that the Big East is having talks with Big 12 schools if the conference were to dissolve. The Big East would look to add Missouri, Kansas, and Kansas St., then possibly Baylor or Iowa St.

The Big East is also trying to be proactive and stay in existence once this dust settles...again.

I guess when you look at it with the superconferences, distance won't mean too much if the Big East is looking to as fas as the midlands.

 

[IrishLax]

Let me say this in all caps for effect...

The NCAA is MADE UP OF ITS MEMBER SCHOOLS. If schools collectively did not like rules, they would simply vote and change them. There is not a single school out there that favors paying players. And there is no reason to leave an organization that you control.

 

[JughedJones]

Let me say this in all caps for effect...

The NCAA is MADE UP OF ITS MEMBER SCHOOLS. If schools collectively did not like rules, they would simply vote and change them. There is not a single school out there that favors paying players. And there is no reason to leave an organization that you control.

I think that's true as well.

No reasonable person thinks that schools can or should start paying athletes. Purely as a fiscal reality Title IX makes this impossible...and I think very few would want to start the 'who's got more money game,' even if Title IX were out of the equation.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Let me say this in all caps for effect...

The NCAA is MADE UP OF ITS MEMBER SCHOOLS. If schools collectively did not like rules, they would simply vote and change them. There is not a single school out there that favors paying players. And there is no reason to leave an organization that you control.

There are thousands of member schools and only a tiny minority with the financial ability to follow through on this - so it's not clear to me how a few dozen institutions could railroad such a change through the NCAA.

I really have no idea how many of them are open to the idea but haven't the Big Ten and SEC voiced proposals for this?

Some links:

Seven SEC coaches would pay players — out of their own pockets | CollegeFootballTalk

Big Ten looks at more pay for athletes - Big Ten Blog - ESPN

And as far as Title IX is concerned, the schools don't actually have to pay the players anything; just lift all prohibitions on other parties giving them money.

 

[beryirish]

hansensouthbend RT @Hlas:

BYU-Football.com says BYU joins Big 12 if Oklahoma commits to staying. OU-Football.com says mind your own business.

 

[koonja]

ChiTribHamilton Brian Hamilton
RT @PeteThamelNYT: There's a Texas-#NotreDame-Big Ten email/blog/conspiracy theory floating around. Its not true. Not even close.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Also before we go too far down this road, It is not all about paying players a salary, it has a lot to do with eliminating the recruiting restrictions that are currently in place. Things like the dead periods, and no personal contact until said time, and only x number of calls, etc.

 

[crzychris]

Super Conferences and playoffs would really kill the College Football regular season. It'll be more like watching the NFL: Boring. The games will be much more meaningless. I'm probably the only BCS supporter left in the entire world, but I don't really think playoffs (or Super Conferences) are best for College Football.

And I really doubt Texas would move to the Big Ten. They're so far away from all the other teams. The Pac-12 and SEC will be the first conferences they look at if the Big 12 crumbles.

+1


You're one of two BCS supporters. Every game at the moment has a do-or-die playoff atmosphere. It's like 12-14 playoff games every single year.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

ChiTribHamilton Brian Hamilton
RT @PeteThamelNYT: There's a Texas-#NotreDame-Big Ten email/blog/conspiracy theory floating around. Its not true. Not even close.

And another:

“@kbohls: Texas says any rumors connecting it to Big Ten are "absolutely" false.”

 

[koonja]

And another:

“@kbohls: Texas says any rumors connecting it to Big Ten are "absolutely" false.”

Since we have two almost identical threads, make sure you post this in the other conference thread we have going, lol.

 

[beryirish]

ESPN Insider

College Football Rumors - Rumor Central - NCAA - ESPN

WVU AD:

"He urged Big East commissioner John Marinatto, and all Big East athletic directors to stay open-minded and not let traditional geography hinder potential expansion," Menendez wrote.

Even the Mountain West Conference is trying to get in on this having daily talks with Baylor and Iowa St.

Arkansas is not leaving the SEC according to their AD. He also said the next ripple effect to look at conferences going up to 14 teams. (baby steps aye?!) Says they could be fine with 13 but other schools will be seeking the SEC out to be the 14th.

"How Irish end up in Big Ten"

Talks about the Big Ten looking to expand eastward which means it will pull some teams away from the Big East making the BE weak and greater potential to get dissolved forcing ND to look elsewhere and look at the Big Ten. Teams mentioned were Rutgers, Syracuse and Pittsburgh.

 

[FrankMA]

+1


You're one of two BCS supporters. Every game at the moment has a do-or-die playoff atmosphere. It's like 12-14 playoff games every single year.

+2
Make it 3 supporters. Who wants to sit and watch meaningless games all year. It will be like NCAA Basketball. They might as well forget the regular season and just have all teams compete in March Madness.

 

[RallySonsOfND]

I told a buddy of mine who is a huge Nebraska fan about this and he was so distraught at the thought of having to deal with Texas again since basically that is why Nebraska left the Big 12. haha

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I hate the Big 10, but I would love to beat the tar out of State Penn on a regular basis.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

+1


You're one of two BCS supporters. Every game at the moment has a do-or-die playoff atmosphere. It's like 12-14 playoff games every single year.

Unless you're a mid-major and then no games matter at all. Also I do love sports where a season can end after one game!

 

[Irish2015]

So we learned that this thing isn't imminent, but I would not be surprised if something like this happens in the future.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Same thing with TAMU. People jumped the gun on when it would be done but they were right that it was being considered. Superconferences are inevitabre.

 

[Rhode Irish]

ChiTribHamilton Brian Hamilton
RT @PeteThamelNYT: There's a Texas-#NotreDame-Big Ten email/blog/conspiracy theory floating around. Its not true. Not even close.

I feel we have a lot of balloons going up right now. My guess is that IF someone important read one thread on this board today, this might be it. Lots of games being played here. Don't believe that the primary parties are totally uninvolved.

Edit: Forgot an important word.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I feel we have a lot of balloons going up right now. My guess is that someone important read one thread on this board today, this might be it. Lots of games being played here. Don't believe that the primary parties are totally uninvolved.

The original author of the post countered that he only claimed the parties were talking at this point. Even if it's true, they'd probably deny it vigorously. It's not far-fetched to think that Swarbrick is working behind the scenes to ensure ND has a soft landing if and when the Great Realignment occurs, and teaming up with Texas for extra leverage strikes me as ingenious. Swarbrick and Dodds are close.

There are rumors like this all the time, and they're usually pretty easy to dismiss. This one sounds far more legitimate than any like it I've read previously. The fact that it's being commented upon by official sources at all might be somewhat telling as well.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Where did this story come from? I've been looking and can't find anything.