Press Conference 9-6-2011

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Just rewatched 1st half of the game. Crist honestly didn't play as bad as I remembered. Lots of drops and a couple inaccurate passes to go with a couple poor reads. That one pick in the endzone was awful, but beyond that I wouldn't grade his performance anything worse than a B-.

Sadly, I did not set my DVR to record Versus in anticipation of 2 hour rain delays and can't watch Rees. Is there anywhere to watch the replay online?
 

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Just rewatched 1st half of the game. Crist honestly didn't play as bad as I remembered. Lots of drops and a couple inaccurate passes to go with a couple poor reads. That one pick in the endzone was awful, but beyond that I wouldn't grade his performance anything worse than a B-.

Sadly, I did not set my DVR to record Versus in anticipation of 2 hour rain delays and can't watch Rees. Is there anywhere to watch the replay online?

ND Central at NBC has it online.
 

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Just rewatched 1st half of the game. Crist honestly didn't play as bad as I remembered. Lots of drops and a couple inaccurate passes to go with a couple poor reads. That one pick in the endzone was awful, but beyond that I wouldn't grade his performance anything worse than a B-.

Sadly, I did not set my DVR to record Versus in anticipation of 2 hour rain delays and can't watch Rees. Is there anywhere to watch the replay online?

Keith Arnold will be breaking down each of Rees' throws with video later today.

If you haven't already, check out his breakdown of Crist's throws. He didn't play as badly as many are suggesting, but a B- is probably too generous.
 

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Just rewatched 1st half of the game. Crist honestly didn't play as bad as I remembered. Lots of drops and a couple inaccurate passes to go with a couple poor reads. That one pick in the endzone was awful, but beyond that I wouldn't grade his performance anything worse than a B-.

Sadly, I did not set my DVR to record Versus in anticipation of 2 hour rain delays and can't watch Rees. Is there anywhere to watch the replay online?

Like I have said, the only problem I have with Crist's game is confidence/certainty. I feel like sometimes he second guesses his throws right before he releases the ball. He needs to get cocky.
 

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What are you talking about? Receivera dont run and stare at the qb. They run a route and look when they should be getting the ball. Usually ball has already been thrown.

On an out or a curl route that is true, but when running across the filed on a drag or crossing pattern the ball could come at anytime when you find a pocket in the d.
 

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Theres a different approach when you are coach kids or young teenagers. These kids are going to school for FREE. FREE means the are paying nothing. Most of the kids on the roster are this way. You are expected to be at your best all the time. Crist,Jonas,TJ,Reddick were not at all.

I'm 46 years old, so they are all kids to me.

Your argument is stupid on so many levels. If a kid on an academic scholarship gets a poor grade on an exam, should the professor be allowed to get in his face and scream at him in front of his classmates? He's going to school for free too, right? If I won tickets to the game and spilled soda in front of my seat, should I expect the usher to humiliate me in front of the rest of the crowd? After all, I didn't pay for my ticket and should be even more careful than those who did, right? These scenarios are no more idiotic than the one you are defending. Losing ones composure should not be defended. All students should be expected to be at their best all the time. You know what, sometimes they aren't. The green light to strip a kid of his dignity is not part of a football scholarship.
 

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The Int he had in the endzone how did he not see Floyd coming across the middle. He wasn't wide open but it would have been better then throwing a pick. TJ,Reddick,Eifert just flat out dropped passes. I just don't think Eifert will ever be any wheres near as good as Kyle.
 

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If a kid on an academic scholarship gets a poor grade on an exam, should the professor be allowed to get in his face and scream at him in front of his classmates? He's going to school for free too, right? If I won tickets to the game and spilled soda in front of my seat, should I expect the usher to humiliate me in front of the rest of the crowd? After all, I didn't pay for my ticket and should be even more careful than those who did, right?

False equivalence. None of those examples is comparable to a scholarship athlete.

Scholarship athletes are compensated for their work on the field with a free education. Thus, when a student athlete dogs it on the field, the coach has just as much right to get in his face about it as a client whose lawyer screws up in court and ends up losing his case.

All students should be expected to be at their best all the time. You know what, sometimes they aren't. The green light to strip a kid of his dignity is not part of a football scholarship.

You think those players were "stripped of their dignity"? Get over yourself. I can't believe you were a very effective coach if you were so concerned with coddling the fragile egos of your players.
 

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I'm 46 years old, so they are all kids to me.

Your argument is stupid on so many levels. If a kid on an academic scholarship gets a poor grade on an exam, should the professor be allowed to get in his face and scream at him in front of his classmates? He's going to school for free too, right? If I won tickets to the game and spilled soda in front of my seat, should I expect the usher to humiliate me in front of the rest of the crowd? After all, I didn't pay for my ticket and should be even more careful than those who did, right? These scenarios are no more idiotic than the one you are defending. Losing ones composure should not be defended. All students should be expected to be at their best all the time. You know what, sometimes they aren't. The green light to strip a kid of his dignity is not part of a football scholarship.

look at it however you would like to. Thats why we all have opinions.
 

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I'm gonna start neg repping anyone who takes a shot at Kelly for his sideline demeanor. Have any of you every played a sport before?

sorry wj, i usually love to read your post and think you are one of the better posters on this site, but i've played soccer for 35 years and i've been coaching it for 22 years. kelly's demeanor on the sidelines lends more to the team struggling than it does to them succeeding.

when a team's tight, the coach needs to be the one to lighten 'em up. if he goes off most of the time, it only exacerbates the situation.

this isn't like back in the olden days when a coach could grab a kids facemask and chew him out up oneside down the other. the coaching arena has changed considerably (even in the years i've been coaching).

i understand the sentiment that some players need to grow thick skin, but i think in this case....brian was hardly helping his team with his demeanor.
 

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sorry wj, i usually love to read your post and think you are one of the better posters on this site, but i've played soccer for 35 years and i've been coaching it for 22 years. kelly's demeanor on the sidelines lends more to the team struggling than it does to them succeeding.

when a team's tight, the coach needs to be the one to lighten 'em up. if he goes off most of the time, it only exacerbates the situation.

this isn't like back in the olden days when a coach could grab a kids facemask and chew him out up oneside down the other. the coaching arena has changed considerably (even in the years i've been coaching).

i understand the sentiment that some players need to grow thick skin, but i think in this case....brian was hardly helping his team with his demeanor.

This is a totally legitimate opinion. You're essentially disagreeing with Kelly's motivational tactics; I don't personally agree with you, but I can understand the sentiment behind it.

My beef is specifically with those who claim to be personally scandalized by Kelly's choice to yell at the poor impressionable little boys who play on his football team. That's completely indefensible.
 

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I don't know. I played interhall football for Keenan Hall as an undergrad, which was definitely "organized football", but that doesn't mean my experience is comparable in any way to the ND football team.



And you think this anecdotal evidence is meaningful? You've never coached at Kelly's level, and I doubt you've ever coached 18-23 year-old young men before (not kids).

You may disagree with it as a motivational tactic, but to claim that you're personally scandalized because ND's head football coach yelled at players who were embarrassing the university and fanbase with their lack of focus and discipline is absurd.

These aren't kids playing an after-school sport to build self-confidence and leadership skills. They're Division I scholarship athletes who play on national television every week. They're not only accountable to their teammates, coaches, and the university; they also bear the weight of a proud, storied tradition and the hopes of millions of Irish football fans.

They deserved to get yelled at.


i guess we can agree to disagree then cuz i run my own high school program and based on my research and study of big time college programs (for soccer), the coaches demeanor makes a big difference on the sidelines.

the players feed off of that demeanor no matter what sport you play. i'm not saying a coach can't yell, cuz i've done that plenty of times. and much deserved, but there is a time and a place when a coach needs to realize that "what good is it going to do?".

from my point of view, our boys did play awful, but the negatives kept piling up and to top it off your coach goes ballistic on the sidelines. so now your players go from being just tight....to even tighter. they start to think while playing instead of just playing.

if you sit there and tell me that a coach doesn't have a pyschologicial affect on his players, whether it be negative or positive....then you've never coached before (in any sport).
 

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This is a totally legitimate opinion. You're essentially disagreeing with Kelly's motivational tactics; I don't personally agree with you, but I can understand the sentiment behind it.

My beef is specifically with those who claim to be personally scandalized by Kelly's choice to yell at the poor impressionable little boys who play on his football team. That's completely indefensible.

i get your point.
 

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False equivalence. None of those examples is comparable to a scholarship athlete.

Scholarship athletes are compensated for their work on the field with a free education. Thus, when a student athlete dogs it on the field, the coach has just as much right to get in his face about it as a client whose lawyer screws up in court and ends up losing his case.



You think those players were "stripped of their dignity"? Get over yourself. I can't believe you were a very effective coach if you were so concerned with coddling the fragile egos of your players.

It isn't any different. You seem to think that because this happened on a football field normal human behavior is somehow not applicable. That is where we part ways, my friend. I submit that you can be tough and never raise your voice. I further believe that you demonstrate your weakness when your reaction is driven by anger.

You think that not screaming profanities at people is coddling? OK buddy, whatever. If someone on one of my teams screwed up, they paid their dept in practice doing suicides until I thought they had enough to make up for their infraction. That punishment carried the added benefit of increasing their endurance -- something that would benefit the team down the road.

Fact is, that when a player screws up, they usually know it before the coach ever opens his mouth. You can raise the issue and have a teaching moment with a player on the sideline without making an *** of yourself (it's called coaching). What do you call it when a coach follows a kid up and down the sideline to continue screaming at him? What is the purpose of that? You don't think those players were embarrassed to be screamed at on national television? They already know they screwed up. If they didn't know it immediately on the field, they surely knew it the first 5 seconds on the sideline with the coach. After that, what is it but a grown man venting his anger on a kid?

You don't seem to know much about how the real world works. I cannot think of one situation when it is appropriate to get in a person's face and scream until your head turns purple. It is particularly inappropriate when it is an adult screaming at a kid. And, it is even worse when it is all done out in the open for the whole world to see.
 

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This is a totally legitimate opinion. You're essentially disagreeing with Kelly's motivational tactics; I don't personally agree with you, but I can understand the sentiment behind it.

My beef is specifically with those who claim to be personally scandalized by Kelly's choice to yell at the poor impressionable little boys who play on his football team. That's completely indefensible.

I don't recall one person in this thread claiming to be personally scandalized or referring to any players as poor impressionable little boys. I think what is being said is that the coach behaved like an ***.
 

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I don't recall one person in this thread claiming to be personally scandalized or referring to any players as poor impressionable little boys. I think what is being said is that the coach behaved like an ***.

If you don't like they way he doesn't put up with Bull Sh!t don't watch.
 

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It isn't any different. You seem to think that because this happened on a football field normal human behavior is somehow not applicable. That is where we part ways, my friend. I submit that you can be tough and never raise your voice. I further believe that you demonstrate your weakness when your reaction is driven by anger.

You think that not screaming profanities at people is coddling? OK buddy, whatever. If someone on one of my teams screwed up, they paid their dept in practice doing suicides until I thought they had enough to make up for their infraction. That punishment carried the added benefit of increasing their endurance -- something that would benefit the team down the road.

Fact is, that when a player screws up, they usually know it before the coach ever opens his mouth. You can raise the issue and have a teaching moment with a player on the sideline without making an *** of yourself (it's called coaching). What do you call it when a coach follows a kid up and down the sideline to continue screaming at him? What is the purpose of that? You don't think those players were embarrassed to be screamed at on national television? They already know they screwed up. If they didn't know it immediately on the field, they surely knew it the first 5 seconds on the sideline with the coach. After that, what is it but a grown man venting his anger on a kid?

You don't seem to know much about how the real world works. I cannot think of one situation when it is appropriate to get in a person's face and scream until your head turns purple. It is particularly inappropriate when it is an adult screaming at a kid. And, it is even worse when it is all done out in the open for the whole world to see.

Coach Kelly Record:

Grand Valley State: 118–35–2
Central Michigan: 19–16
Cincinnati: 34–6
Notre Dame: 8-6

BK seems to think, in his world, this is how it goes. With that record I will take it. The man admitted he needs to control his emotions better. Fair enough to me. If he gets heated like he did every game of the year and we finish with a losing record, maybe that would be the appropriate time to address the situation. I don't remember hearing about him having an issue with this last year. So if he comes out and says he recognizes he needs to better control his emotions on the sideline, I will give him every opportunity to do what he feels necessary to improve his demeanor, period.
 

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It isn't any different. You seem to think that because this happened on a football field normal human behavior is somehow not applicable. That is where we part ways, my friend. I submit that you can be tough and never raise your voice. I further believe that you demonstrate your weakness when your reaction is driven by anger.

You think that not screaming profanities at people is coddling? OK buddy, whatever. If someone on one of my teams screwed up, they paid their dept in practice doing suicides until I thought they had enough to make up for their infraction. That punishment carried the added benefit of increasing their endurance -- something that would benefit the team down the road.

Fact is, that when a player screws up, they usually know it before the coach ever opens his mouth. You can raise the issue and have a teaching moment with a player on the sideline without making an *** of yourself (it's called coaching). What do you call it when a coach follows a kid up and down the sideline to continue screaming at him? What is the purpose of that? You don't think those players were embarrassed to be screamed at on national television? They already know they screwed up. If they didn't know it immediately on the field, they surely knew it the first 5 seconds on the sideline with the coach. After that, what is it but a grown man venting his anger on a kid?

You don't seem to know much about how the real world works. I cannot think of one situation when it is appropriate to get in a person's face and scream until your head turns purple. It is particularly inappropriate when it is an adult screaming at a kid. And, it is even worse when it is all done out in the open for the whole world to see.

Either don't watch or petition the University to send all fo the little Nancies on the team that can't take a good tongue lashing off to Idaho State Univeristy where they wont have to be on National TV. I dont expect a coach to change the way he coaches and disciplines his team because of who his audience is. He is a FOOTBALL coach.

And so many people have stated that it is OK for a coach to do this in practice, but unacceptable sideline behavior because it is going to embarrass and tighten his team up. To that I say, first if he is this way in practice, the players should be used to it and should not tighten up during game day. After all he is the same coach, and they are the same players who have been through this together during camp.
Second, if the first thing that goes through a players head is that he was stripped of his dignity, or that he was embarrassed on national TV, then maybe they shouldnt be playing a high level sport at a school that is nationally televised every week. That would certainly be one mentally week player, and one I dont know if we want on the field anyhow.
Lastly, if the players don't want to be embarrassed then don't embarrass themselves by performing the way they did last Saturday.

You wouldn't happen to be one of those parents in the news a few weeks ago for raising their children gender neutral would you? I can only imagine what this country will become once we turn every person born here into a big gaping vagina.
 

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Seems to me we came back and had a chance to win in the second half. Maybe the yelling lit a fire under the rest of the team. What matters is how you back it up. He come into the press conference and tells Riddick and Gray to be ready because we are coming right back to them.

I don't see much example of Kelly using the "stick" to motivate up to this point, it has been largely carrot. Now that they are in the second year and experienced players come out acting like deer in the headlights, Kelly felt the need for a little shock and awe to wake up the echos.

GI41 probably loved Willingham, you wouldn't even know a game was on watching him on the sidelines. If you are going to emotionally drive a college team, you need to put some emotion into it yourself every once in a while.

Now exuse me while I go yell at my kids until I am blue in the face for the tenth time today.....
 

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I just went and yelled at the kid swinging next door to swing higher. Damn near went full circle. Must work pretty well.
 

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Can we talk about our offensive line? Not much mention in the presser. Thought Taylor Dever got taken to school a few times...especially in short yardage situations. Seems to have problems moving his feet when he needs to scoop on a running play. Not a good combination on short yardage.
 

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BK apologized in today's press conference and said he needs to control his emotion on the sidelines. I find it interesting though that he said this because "he needs to be more aware of the camera being on him...and he isn't used to the camera being on him so much." He said nothing about controlling his emotion for the saks of the players. I don't think he needs to worry too much though. He frustrated as were all of us. I would consider this a slip up at worst, not any type of character flaw. This is Notre Dame football. Emotions are bound to run high.
 

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Just something that alot of people are making a big deal out of nothing
 

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BK seems to think, in his world, this is how it goes. With that record I will take it. The man admitted he needs to control his emotions better. Fair enough to me. If he gets heated like he did every game of the year and we finish with a losing record, maybe that would be the appropriate time to address the situation. I don't remember hearing about him having an issue with this last year. So if he comes out and says he recognizes he needs to better control his emotions on the sideline, I will give him every opportunity to do what he feels necessary to improve his demeanor, period.

Sounds good to me...
 

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I don't recall one person in this thread claiming to be personally scandalized or referring to any players as poor impressionable little boys. I think what is being said is that the coach behaved like an ***.

Which he's perfectly allowed to do IMO, when he's in the most pressure packed job in the business and watching his team make some of the dumbest mistakes imaginable.
 
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