'12 MD ATH Cyrus Jones (Offer)

Irish In KY

New member
Messages
46
Reaction score
2
Do these kids that are in love with the SEC not understand that even IF they actually graduate (which is unlikely), their degrees won't be worth the paper they're printed on? They are either bullish!tting about academics being important to come off as good kids or they truly don't understand the ridiculous lack of academic integrity at most SEC "skoos"
 

Irish Man3

Well-known member
Messages
6,582
Reaction score
949
He said weeks ago that he would visit Alabama, Auburn, ND, and Virginia Tech. Miami was going to be his other OV but that has now changed. He was concerned with setting up his visits to schools he hasn't seen first. Make no mistake, Bama and Auburn still lead at this point.
 
G

GBdomer

Guest
Bama has a huge lead. West virgina team watch out for his dad played basketball there
 

BeauBenken

Shut up, Richard
Staff member
Messages
16,041
Reaction score
5,490
Do these kids that are in love with the SEC not understand that even IF they actually graduate (which is unlikely), their degrees won't be worth the paper they're printed on? They are either bullish!tting about academics being important to come off as good kids or they truly don't understand the ridiculous lack of academic integrity at most SEC "skoos"

The quality of education depends more on the individual than the institution. If he wants to learn he can certainly do it at Bama or Auburn. They just may not force him to.

Saying you can't get a quality education or graduate at either school is just ignorant though.
 

Whiskeyjack

Mittens Margaritas Ante Porcos
Staff member
Messages
20,894
Reaction score
8,126
Saying you can't get a quality education or graduate at either school is just ignorant though.

These things can be objectively quantified. Every degree has a cost, and provides an ascertainable return on investment.

Out of the entire FBS, Stanford provides the most valuable degree. Ranked 5th nationally, it's 30-year ROI is $1.606m.

Notre Dame provides the 2nd most valuable degree. Ranked 10th nationally, it's 30-year ROI is $1.452m.

Vanderbilt obviously provides the most valuable degree in the SEC. It ranks 43rd nationally at $1.021m 30y ROI. But Vandy is clearly the outlier; the poster you responded to was referring to schools like Alabama and Auburn. So excepting Vandy, which SEC football factory provides the most valuable degree?

Florida, coming in at 125th, has an average 30y ROI of $707,000. Still a lot of money, but less than half of what a ND degree gets you.

Georgia comes in next, ranked 203rd, with an average 30y ROI of $576,400. A ND degree is worth almost three times a dawgree.

Auburn is close to Georgia, ranking 211th, with an average 30y ROI $569,400.

Alabama ranks 364th, with an average 30y ROI of $423,800. A degree from Stanford is worth almost 4 times as much.

Factor in the SEC's embarrassing graduation rates (especially for minorities), and it's perfectly legitimate to wonder whether these SEC recruits are lying, ignorant, or being deceived when they claim to be going south "for the academics".

I understand the sentiment behind your post, Beau. A willingness to work hard obviously plays a huge factor in how much one gets out of college, and ultimately how successful one is in life. But that variable doesn't change the fact that there are huge disparities in what a degree from various colleges is worth. Vanderbilt excepted, the SEC does not provide a "good" education relative to other colleges.

Source.
 
Last edited:

IrishLax

Something Witty
Staff member
Messages
37,544
Reaction score
28,990
These things can be objectively quantified. Every degree has a cost, and provides an ascertainable return on investment.

Out of the entire FBS, Stanford provides the most valuable degree. Ranked 5th nationally, it's 30-year ROI is $1.606m.

Notre Dame provides the 2nd most valuable degree. Ranked 10th nationally, it's 30-year ROI is $1.452m.

Vanderbilt obviously provides the most valuable degree in the SEC. It ranks 43rd nationally at $1.021m 30y ROI. But Vandy is clearly the outlier; the poster you responded to was referring to schools like Alabama and Auburn. So excepting Vandy, which SEC football factory provides the most valuable degree?

Florida, coming in at 125th, has an average 30y ROI of $707,000. Still a lot of money, but less than half of what a ND degree gets you.

Georgia comes in next, ranked 203rd, with an average 30y ROI of $576,400. A ND degree is worth almost three times a dawgree.

Auburn is close to Georgia, ranking 211th, with an average 30y ROI $569,400.

Alabama ranks 364th, with an average 30y ROI of $423,800. A degree from Stanford is worth almost 4 times as much.

Factor in the SEC's embarrassing graduation rates (especially for minorities), and it's perfectly legitimate to wonder whether these SEC recruits are lying, ignorant, or being deceived when they claim to be going south "for the academics".

I understand the sentiment behind your post, Beau. A willingness to work hard obviously plays a huge factor in how much one gets out of college, and ultimately how successful one is in life. But that variable doesn't change the fact that there are huge disparities in what a degree from various colleges is worth. Vanderbilt excepted, the SEC does not provide a good education, relative to other colleges.

Source.

yay facts!
 

BeauBenken

Shut up, Richard
Staff member
Messages
16,041
Reaction score
5,490
These things can be objectively quantified. Every degree has a cost, and provides an ascertainable return on investment.

Out of the entire FBS, Stanford provides the most valuable degree. Ranked 5th nationally, it's 30-year ROI is $1.606m.

Notre Dame provides the 2nd most valuable degree. Ranked 10th nationally, it's 30-year ROI is $1.452m.

Vanderbilt obviously provides the most valuable degree in the SEC. It ranks 43rd nationally at $1.021m 30y ROI. But Vandy is clearly the outlier; the poster you responded to was referring to schools like Alabama and Auburn. So excepting Vandy, which SEC football factory provides the most valuable degree?

Florida, coming in at 125th, has an average 30y ROI of $707,000. Still a lot of money, but less than half of what a ND degree gets you.

Georgia comes in next, ranked 203rd, with an average 30y ROI of $576,400. A ND degree is worth almost three times a dawgree.

Auburn is close to Georgia, ranking 211th, with an average 30y ROI $569,400.

Alabama ranks 364th, with an average 30y ROI of $423,800. A degree from Stanford is worth almost 4 times as much.

Factor in the SEC's embarrassing graduation rates (especially for minorities), and it's perfectly legitimate to wonder whether these SEC recruits are lying, ignorant, or being deceived when they claim to be going south "for the academics".

I understand the sentiment behind your post, Beau. A willingness to work hard obviously plays a huge factor in how much one gets out of college, and ultimately how successful one is in life. But that variable doesn't change the fact that there are huge disparities in what a degree from various colleges is worth. Vanderbilt excepted, the SEC does not provide a "good" education relative to other colleges.

Source.

Going to any university for free ensures a infinite percent return though, right? :)

Unless you want to start putting a $ on time.
 

Whiskeyjack

Mittens Margaritas Ante Porcos
Staff member
Messages
20,894
Reaction score
8,126
Going to any university for free ensures a infinite percent return though, right? :)

Unless you want to start putting a $ on time.

30-year ROI has the cost of tuition also factored in. For instance, average 30y ROI for ND is $1.452m, and total cost of attendance is roughly $200k. Thus, the average ND grad actually earns an extra $1.652 over the first 30 years out of undergrad, but $200k is subtracted from that as the cost of the investment.

Non-athletes pay $200k and ~4 years time to obtain a degree. Scholarship athletes "earn" that $200k in exchange for their time and effort playing a sport. Ultimately, the ROI is the same.

Trying to figure out how to read that? 1.6 m a year? That can't be the total return? This is a simple calculation for roi. Please show me how these figures apply.

It's total return after 30 years. It takes the average amount of money earned by someone with a ND degree for the first 30 years after graduation, subtracts the average total cost of attendance, and further subtracts what an average person with a high school degree would earn over that same 34 year period (because they're working while the ND grad was in school).

Thus, the average ND degree is worth $1.452 million dollars over 30 years.
 

Irish In KY

New member
Messages
46
Reaction score
2
Of course you are ABLE to get an education at bama or auburn, but how many of them actually DO it? How many of them push away their "tutors" and take the reins? Also, my point was that if education was so important, why are bottom-tier educational programs leading his top 5 when clearly there are other institutions that offer a much more.
 

johnsben

Member
Messages
76
Reaction score
21
From Payscale.com

Note: This figure is in 2011 dollars and thus represents a real return rather than a nominal return.
This ROI represents a net return on investment after the opportunity cost (High School Graduate Earnings), cost of investment (tuition, room, board, books, etc.), and probability of graduating have been taken into account.

The method of discounting the cashflows is important. The best way to view the ROI value is to think of it as a lump sum right now. The calculation is done in order to compare college A vs college B vs no college so only comparisions in 2011 dollars makes sense. This calculation would come out with an ROI of zero for a high school graduate who went to work right away and never attended college (see bolded section above).

What we should really take out of this is ND is a way better investment than Auburn, Alabama, and other SEC schools.
 

johnsben

Member
Messages
76
Reaction score
21
Thus, the average ND degree is worth $1.452 million dollars over 30 years.

I think its better to say the average ND degree is worth $1.452 million today. And ND's degree is worth roughly $1 million more than Alabama's degree today. The calculation is over a 30y period but the dollars are discounted to 2011 dollars.

Payscale.com should do this same assessment but include only football players. I think the SEC would still look bad because the drop out rate is so high but the stars that made it big would certainly pull up their average.

ND would still be right near the top. If a kid doesn't make the NFL he still graduated with that valueable degree.
 

Whiskeyjack

Mittens Margaritas Ante Porcos
Staff member
Messages
20,894
Reaction score
8,126
From Payscale.com



The method of discounting the cashflows is important. The best way to view the ROI value is to think of it as a lump sum right now. The calculation is done in order to compare college A vs college B vs no college so only comparisions in 2011 dollars makes sense. This calculation would come out with an ROI of zero for a high school graduate who went to work right away and never attended college (see bolded section above).

What we should really take out of this is ND is a way better investment than Auburn, Alabama, and other SEC schools.

Thanks for putting a finer point on the methodology. Didn't realize they accounted for graduation rate as well.
 

BeauBenken

Shut up, Richard
Staff member
Messages
16,041
Reaction score
5,490
Of course you are ABLE to get an education at bama or auburn, but how many of them actually DO it? How many of them push away their "tutors" and take the reins? Also, my point was that if education was so important, why are bottom-tier educational programs leading his top 5 when clearly there are other institutions that offer a much more.

I didn't even read where he said how important education is to him. lol Sorry, I was just busting chops yesterday.

But it does make the forum look bad when you bad mouth other universities. Even though, trust me, I know where you're coming from. Although, like Whiskey pointed out, it is fact that on average a degree from the University of Notre Dame is worth more than most other schools.
 

Irish In KY

New member
Messages
46
Reaction score
2
I didn't even read where he said how important education is to him. lol Sorry, I was just busting chops yesterday.

But it does make the forum look bad when you bad mouth other universities. Even though, trust me, I know where you're coming from. Although, like Whiskey pointed out, it is fact that on average a degree from the University of Notre Dame is worth more than most other schools.

Well, I guess the truth hurts.

I did say that people have the ability to gain a quality education from those universities. If anyone thinks I'm being insensitive then...... oh well.
 

adsnorri

New member
Messages
337
Reaction score
33
if the degree is worth 1.6 million dollars total after 30 years it would break down to 53000 a year. I know salesmen that never went to college and are 26 years old that make that now. Not very prestigious at all, unless im missing something here??
 

BeauBenken

Shut up, Richard
Staff member
Messages
16,041
Reaction score
5,490
if the degree is worth 1.6 million dollars total after 30 years it would break down to 53000 a year. I know salesmen that never went to college and are 26 years old that make that now. Not very prestigious at all, unless im missing something here??

I think that's how much more you would make. As in, you would make 1.6 million more after 30 years than someone who didn't go to college.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
 

GoldenIsThyFame

Well-known member
Messages
10,899
Reaction score
789
if the degree is worth 1.6 million dollars total after 30 years it would break down to 53000 a year. I know salesmen that never went to college and are 26 years old that make that now. Not very prestigious at all, unless im missing something here??

Yeah, it's not simply 1.6 mil/30. As others pointed out it factors in cost of the degree and the opportunity cost of not going to college.
 

anarin

They call me Chuck.
Messages
3,284
Reaction score
809
Gilman's Cyrus Jones taking his time


“Alabama and Auburn, I just felt real comfortable when I went down there and visited,” Jones said. “Virginia Tech, I haven’t visited yet. I haven’t visited Notre Dame, and that’s a faraway school. Why not use an official visit to see them when I don’t have to pay for it? That’s kind of my mindset for using my visits.”
 

GoldenIsThyFame

Well-known member
Messages
10,899
Reaction score
789
Lookin like this might be the end of the road on this one...

Still have other viable slot options.
 

NDPhilly

Philly Torqued
Messages
16,441
Reaction score
16,721
I believe the only reason we had a shot is because of Ronald Darby
 
Top