Defending the Triple option this yr..

[jonesman]

If you want to understand how to stop both Navy and Air Force, go watch the game they played against each other. These guys know exactly what happens with the option. It is amazing how they flow right to the correct spot on each other.

If I am Diaco, I am watching these films until I know every play by heart.

 

[jonesman]

Guys,
I will give you another video to go watch on how to defend the option. Go watch ND-Navy 2008. The ND defense in that game absolutely hammered the Navy offense for that game. Navy only got back in the game on a late game fumble and some crazy onside kick crap.

You will notice ND running the 4 man front in this with the OLB's off the line. I remember Navy only crossed mid-field like once in the first half.
Diaco better watch that one too.

 

[IrishLax]

Thanks jonesman.

 

[micks60]

4-4 with D backs manning up, Manti bringing the PAIN.

Man against run is the worst possible thing. Been coaching defense for years. Runnimg man eliminates at least four men from being dedicated to the run. You need everyone available. Notto be a jerk but man is a WORST IDEA POSSIBLE!

Also Manti should really only be making plays on the fb. If he is making plays sideline to sideline it is a sign of overpersuing and not doing his job.

 

[micks60]

Corners cannot play man. Cover three ideas are good along with the two shell we come out it. This gives you outside leverageat all times. 4-3 with the two shell with safeties roling down tothe motion. Then 4-4 with one high safety in a 3 shell. Corners must play to help the outside run and option. It all comes down to reading keys and everyone doing their job perfectly. If not you see the big plays because one guy is overpersuing.

 

[irishtrinity]

utah beat air force last yr.. and we dominated utah.. crazy.... i think our defense took that navy loss to heart.. i really feel our defense will stop them it's just a sneak pass i'm worried about..

 

[IrishJayhawk]

This. Plus score early and often so that they are taken out of their comfort zone

This. If we score and get a lead, they have to throw or keep running the clock with the option....

...which means we win.

 

[RyCo1983]

I'm definitely not a defensive coach...in fact I know hardly nothing about it...haha
Just saying what I'd do in a video game.

 

[phork]

How about looking at the tape of the 40+ years of wins before we lost to them this decade?

 

[micks60]

I'm definitely not a defensive coach...in fact I know hardly nothing about it...haha
Just saying what I'd do in a video game.

Lol. Fair enough

 

[irishtrinity]

anyone know who they lost this yr... were they might be weak? i really thought this was a gimme game it seems every yr i pick the easy game then learn right before the team i picked is actually good... last yr i picked the pitt game and lewis had a bad day for me...

 

[irish1958]

Also Manti should really only be making plays on the fb. If he is making plays sideline to sideline it is a sign of overpersuing and not doing his job.

I agree; Mnati should put a little hurt on the FB on every play. I know If I got hit by Manti 40 to 60 times in a couple of hours, I really wouldn't want the football any more.

 

[TDHeysus]

Also Manti should really only be making plays on the fb. If he is making plays sideline to sideline it is a sign of overpersuing and not doing his job.

just an idea...not that I dont agree with you. But for a game like this(defending the option), if Manti is to play his position strictly, in a way AF would be forcing Manti to play a certain way. Dictating to ND what Manti will do....Why not put Carlo Calabrese on the FB, and move Manti to another inside position? Carlo was made to defend the option...

defending the option:

first priority is stuff the FB.

second priority is to force the QB to make his decision quicker than he wants to(the QB should never get comfortable making that pitch, he needs to be bucked everytime).

Then of course, stopping the play.

By doing the first 2 things, it will greatly increase the defenses chances of stopping the play.

 

[RyCo1983]

Lol. Fair enough

But I'd LOVE to sit down with a couple glasses of whiskey and LEARN the finer points of defensive coaching.

I want to learn all there is about D Line coaching honestly. It's one thing that really interests me.


That'd work in NCAA 12 though
haha
I dominate with a 3-3-5 half the time

 

[irishfan]

Guys,
I will give you another video to go watch on how to defend the option. Go watch ND-Navy 2008. The ND defense in that game absolutely hammered the Navy offense for that game. Navy only got back in the game on a late game fumble and some crazy onside kick crap.

I was at that game, it was horrible lol. Great first 50 minutes, and nervewracking last 10. If I remember correctly, it involved Jonas Gray's first bout of fumbilitis, Navy getting an extra timeout, and Robby Parris being called for "batting" the ball out of bounds on on onside kick. (They did the same thing to us in 09) Also, a lot of surprisingly obnoxious Navy fans.

And I hucked a loogie about 40 rows down during the monsoon that happened in the middle of the 4th quarter. The stadium was about 75% empty and it curved around the only group of people near us thankfully.

 

[choo choo]

I'm going to the air force game and i was wondering what you guys think about our triple option defense this yr, plus air force has a great QB...

last yr. navy rolled us on it just thinking about the game... i hate the triple option..

well a damn good start would be a friggin 4-man line...hopefully this season we will realize that navy runs an option offense...god just thinking about that debacle gets me boiling again...jeeeeezzz

 

[micks60]

Switching mlb spots will not do much against the triple option. The reason is both mlb will have the same responsibility on opposite plays. Play to would most liiely be fill lay side, play away would be play slow for counter. One possible soultion would be to have play side attack qb. Only works in a 4-4. Problem with 4-4 is offense knows where yours guys are at and usually going. Stunting and blitzing against a team like this is a bad idea as well due to players being out of position. Playng a base concept against tye run is a god idea. Depending n the blocking scheme they use it will dictate dline and lb fills. 4-3 gives the defense so much more to work with and ways to confuse on the outside and inside. Does not look as good because there are not as many gs n the box but with the 4-3 we run we actually roll down a safety alot to create a 4-4 adavantage on the edge but with more confusion for blocking schemes. Very similar to OSU's defense.

just an idea...not that I dont agree with you. But for a game like this(defending the option), if Manti is to play his position strictly, in a way AF would be forcing Manti to play a certain way. Dictating to ND what Manti will do....Why not put Carlo Calabrese on the FB, and move Manti to another inside position? Carlo was made to defend the option...

defending the option:

first priority is stuff the FB.

second priority is to force the QB to make his decision quicker than he wants to(the QB should never get comfortable making that pitch, he needs to be bucked everytime).

Then of course, stopping the play.

By doing the first 2 things, it will greatly increase the defenses chances of stopping the play.

 

[irishtrinity]

i feel better today about the game... i feel with harrison as saftey they will not be able to pass, and with our front line we're setting pretty.. manti should be the one guy watching for the ball..FB took by the front MANTI on the ball LBS on QB and harrison keeping the pass on check... god i hate being so far from ND the whole yr i pick one game to visit..

 

[Old Man Mike]

With all due respect: remarks like "Play to would most liily be fill lay side ... etc" leave me completely baffled as to what is being talked about. Perhaps someone who already understands the point might be able to interpret it, but I would ask for something a bit clearer for any of us who are interested but aren't good guessers.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

i feel better today about the game... i feel with harrison as saftey they will not be able to pass, and with our front line we're setting pretty.. manti should be the one guy watching for the ball..FB took by the front MANTI on the ball LBS on QB and harrison keeping the pass on check... god i hate being so far from ND the whole yr i pick one game to visit..

ND always has more talent than Navy, so I wouldn't take comfort in our long list of potential AAs this year. Beating Navy comes down to fundamentals and discipline, which is ultimately on the coaching staff. If you think Diaco learned from the 2010 Navy lost and the Army game proved he can beat an option team, then take heart. If you're unconvinced that the win over Army means much for a team like AF, then you should probably be worried.

 

[micks60]

With all due respect: remarks like "Play to would most liily be fill lay side ... etc" leave me completely baffled as to what is being talked about. Perhaps someone who already understands the point might be able to interpret it, but I would ask for something a bit clearer for any of us who are interested but aren't good guessers.

Wow...my bad...stupid auto type...it was supposed to say play to would be filled by play side. I hope that helps. If there are any others questions please ask. There are so many different reasons to use a 4-4 or4-3. I love to talk defending the triple option and why some teams are good and why some are terrible. Talent does not always win and neither does scheme. discipline is the key.