Kelly: Offense talented, but depth NONE!!

[NDinL.A.]

Im not saying he cant step up his game but even you gotta admit we the three biggest games we won werent with him behind center. Sure it was more the D and #3 but there are people sayin Dayne might be a heisman candidate, Im not saying he's going to fail Im just saying I havent seen him perform at such a level where Im totally loving the guy going into the season like Quinn in 06 or Jimmy in 09. I know I prolly give you more negative fits than anyone else on this site, but cmon man you cant say Im totally off base with feeling a little weary.

#1) you said it yourself...it was more the D. What do you think would have happened if ND played MSU and held them to 3 points? Do you think we would have won? What about if we held Michigan to 3 points? Would we have won? Also, do you think that maybe, just MAYBE, that Dayne would have liked just a smidgen of the run game that ND showed vs USC and Miami?

#2) Where on this thread or even on this site are people saying Dayne Crist is going to be a Heisman candidate???

#3) This is what you said:

Dont get me wrong he has some skill but really what has he done that would make a fan of another team go "wow watch out for the irish this year"

Fans have been saying "watch out for the Irish" all off-season. Where have you been? Phil Steele has us ranked 6th. Several publications have us in the top 10. Most have us at the very worst in the top 20. And most people think Dayne will be the starter. Do you see what I'm getting at? Thing is, Dayne doesn't have to be lights out for us to win. Was Rees lights out? Nope. In fact, his numbers were worse than Dayne's. But because Dayne had an AWFUL defense and Rees had a great one, you think that we can't win with Dayne. Makes no sense to me.

#4) I definitely have some trepidation with Dayne. Nobody is POSITIVE that he'll well - shoot, he hasn't even won the job yet (although I think he will).

My problem with your post was that you insinuated that other fans aren't respecting the Irish with Dayne, which is absurd, and that you are ALWAYS negative (

remember, you predicted 0-3 start if we didn't have Floyd, you said Peyton Manning sucks and that he lost it after one friggin bad game, you said Kelly would never win at ND, you said ND couldn't compete with Missouri last December, you said we'd lose to Pitt and BC last season, you said we were going to go 3-9 last season, you said you couldn;t root for ND anymore, yuo said you were going to delete your account because nobody liked you here, etc etc etc)

. So it kinda falls on deaf ears when you post yet another negative thing...sorry. With others, people listen when they voice concerns. but when you constantly predict gloom and doom, how do you expect people to take you seriously?

I know you think I always come down on you hard, but dude, it's like a broken record with you. Cheer up man!

 

[Rudy89]

#1) you said it yourself...it was more the D. What do you think would have happened if ND played MSU and held them to 3 points? Do you think we would have won? What about if we held Michigan to 3 points? Would we have won? Also, do you think that maybe, just MAYBE, that Dayne would have liked just a smidgen of the run game that ND showed vs USC and Miami?

#2) Where on this thread or even on this site are people saying Dayne Crist is going to be a Heisman candidate???

#3) This is what you said:


Fans have been saying "watch out for the Irish" all off-season. Where have you been? Phil Steele has us ranked 6th. Several publications have us in the top 10. Most have us at the very worst in the top 20. And most people think Dayne will be the starter. Do you see what I'm getting at? Thing is, Dayne doesn't have to be lights out for us to win. Was Rees lights out? Nope. In fact, his numbers were worse than Dayne's. But because Dayne had an AWFUL defense and Rees had a great one, you think that we can't win with Dayne. Makes no sense to me.

#4) I definitely have some trepidation with Dayne. Nobody is POSITIVE that he'll well - shoot, he hasn't even won the job yet (although I think he will).

My problem with your post was that you insinuated that other fans aren't respecting the Irish with Dayne, which is absurd, and that you are ALWAYS negative (. So it kinda falls on deaf ears when you post yet another negative thing...sorry. With others, people listen when they voice concerns. but when you constantly predict gloom and doom, how do you expect people to take you seriously?

I know you think I always come down on you hard, but dude, it's like a broken record with you. Cheer up man!

Im gonna be straight up with you when I was going to delete my account it was during a very very very very dark time for me personally I was drinking a lot more than normal after a friend in the millitary passed away and my doom and gloom was turned up to about 11 at that time especially cause I did things like pray for a win over USC and then that happened so part of me even felt guilty then but thats not here anymore I know not to feel guilty. After a well deserved ban I actually apologized for the things I was saying at that time

On another note Im not saying Dayne wont deliver Im just saying maybe I dont think he's going to be a super great QB as of now as i stated earlier im not feelin him like I did quinn and jimmy where I thought with them behind center I needed to book my plane ticket for tempe, New Orleans, Miami or Pasadena right away. Maybe not in this trhead but in others ive read I personally feel that some might be over hyping him a bit and he hasnt performed well enough to get that kind of hype.

As far me predicting 3-9 last year, adjusting to a new system and losing your top two players would have a lot of people thinking that maybe we wouldnt have been that great I just wanted us to use that year to adjust to hopefully make this year great. Losing to BC and Pitt cmon there were other peeps who were feeling negative when we dropped 3 of our first 4 with BK and thinking we'd lost to Utah and Army after the loss to tulsa and navy you cant tell me I was the only one in sky is falling mode. Id rather think we will do bad or ok and do great (see 05) than think we will be great and end up not so great (see 09) after USC this year I smiled for 3 days straigh and annoyed the hell out of my coworkers whisting the victory march and victory clog throught that week Id rather think low and recive high then think high and be chopped down.
As far as other people saying watch out for us maybe i shouldnt talk in the offseason I dabble in other hobbies much much more than I do ND (during the summer my posts on anime, comic book, and the adult swim boards double where i dont always post here much) so im just going by all i ever see in passing articles on yahoo when i check my e-mail and living here in the illini country and no one thinks we will be worth a darn and we are overrated. (right or wrong all ive heard is the irish are overhyped again)

ANYWHO ive rambled long enough as im begining to feel what over 24 hours with no sleep can do to a person while I wait for an e-ail from an instructor so I will apologize for my rambling and hope maybe ive more cleary stated that its not that I dont think we cannot win with dayne I just havent jumped on his bandwagon like some other posters have. Beleive me come bowl season if we are playing in a BCS or the National Championship and Dayne has a great year Ill be sprinting to catch up with the bandwagon trying to jump on a grab a seat

 

[Rocket89]

No what im suggesting is that ive seen a lot of people really hyping dayne going so far as to say he will get heisman votes and me personally I just havent seen him perform well enough to have the same feelings toward him. Id be tickeled to death if he has an amazing year, hell I want him too. I want him and floyd to be the most feared connection in college football that come bowl season we have an SEC or Big 10 team shaking but I just wont be feeling that high on him until I see him win more big games this season. Am I saying he cant do that, hell no but maybe I just havent drank any kool-aid on him yet.

This is an interesting opinion that creeps up on this board from time to time, and one that some people use to discredit a player---or at least not jump on his bandwagon.

First, this poster is claiming that Crist is being hyped. So much so that he is being touted as a Heisman candidate.

We're already off on the wrong foot as this is quite an overstatement. For all intents and purposes Crist is not a Heisman candidate, the vast majority of Crist supporters do not think he's at that level or one of the top QB's in the country.

The funny thing is---and this is what a lot of people do all the time here---this poster is trying to convince us that Crist isn't an All-American, and then holding Crist to those same All-American standards.

For the example, the poster said earlier: Im not saying he's going to fail Im just saying I havent seen him perform at such a level where Im totally loving the guy going into the season like Quinn in 06 or Jimmy in 09.

Why do you have to compare Crist's first year in college in a new system to two of the best quarterback seasons in school history? It's such a twisted argument. Do we have another QB on the roster that put up historically amazing numbers? How does this pertain to who should play QB this year? If Crist improves his play and his numbers from 2010, but still isn't a Heisman contender, are you still going to be in the same place you are today in regards to doubting that he should be the team's QB?

It's the same thing that happened a couple days ago when we were discussing Cierre Wood and how the coaches think he's going to be really good this year. Someone chimes in, "Yeah well he's not Barry Sanders."

We see this all the time. People get excited for a talented player with a lot of potential---in most cases (as with Crist) it's fairly grounded optimism. We know his injury concerns and that he's not a perfect fit for the system.

But then someone who doesn't like Crist, doesn't want him to start, or wants someone else to start, completely overblows the situation and claims that those Crist supporters think he's awesome and one of the best QB's in school history.

In a way it's like you're arguing with yourself.

98% of the people here don't have the bar set at Heisman for Crist. But apparently you do. You're trying to argue with Crist supporters for them thinking that he's a Heisman-type of talent (when they aren't), and then your main point for Crist not starting, or not having confidence in him, is that he hasn't put together a Heisman caliber season.

Well, neither has Rees. So what are we supposed to do? Not start a quarterback because neither guy has put together an All-American season?

And just to wrap up, I have to point out that for how great Quinn played in 2006 and Clausen in 2009...neither quarterback won any big games.

 

[Rhode Irish]

It's the same thing that happened a couple days ago when we were discussing Cierre Wood and how the coaches think he's going to be really good this year. Someone chimes in, "Yeah well he's not Barry Sanders."

The "well, he's no Barry Sanders" critique was one of the funniest things I've seen on this board since I started posting here. Talk about a facepalm moment.

 

[CDarnay]

This is my first post, and you guys have some knowledge, but I saw the press conference, and don't you think that maybe Coach Kelly was exaggerating a little for effect?

 

[Dizzyphil]

This is my first post, and you guys have some knowledge, but I saw the press conference, and don't you think that maybe Coach Kelly was exaggerating a little for effect?

What would make you think that Coach Kelly (or any coach for that matter) would reveal exactly or the most prolific information to the press or anyone before the season started? And, if there is any 'exaggeration', in your opinion, does this change the point?

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[CDarnay]

What would make you think that Coach Kelly (or any coach for that matter) would reveal exactly or the most prolific information to the press or anyone before the season started

(Wow, I figured quotes out - look out now!) Exactly my point.

And, if there is any 'exaggeration', in your opinion, does this change the point?

Well it seems to me, a fisherman can exaggerate how big a fish is, but he can also claim that that fish is little. If he doesn't want anyone to know just yet what he's got on the line . . .

 

[BobD]

I think there are a few players on defense like Danny Spond who could help out on offense.

 

[military_irish]

I think there are a few players on defense like Danny Spond who could help out on offense.

Diaco is that you?

 

[Riddickulous]

I think there are a few players on defense like Danny Spond who could help out on offense.

Please explain.

 

[BobD]

Diaco is that you?

Haha! NO! I'm just a Notre Dame football fan. I just registered for irishenvy.......guess I should have given my name a little more thought.

 

[military_irish]

Haha! NO! I'm just a Notre Dame football fan. I just registered for irishenvy.......guess I should have given my name a little more thought.

Haha it is all good fun. If you have not been reading this site much than Diaco is a running thing and he is beyond Chuck Norris. Yes, beyond Chuck Norris.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Haha! NO! I'm just a Notre Dame football fan. I just registered for irishenvy.......guess I should have given my name a little more thought.

Don't worry about your name, brah... Let 'er fly. Welcome to Irishenvy.

 

[BobD]

Please explain.

Just my thought. I can't claim to be an expert, but I think there are a couple of athletes on defense that, if needed, have the skills to be productive and dependable recievers. Danny might even be an excellent one, especially at making things happen after the catch. What do you think?

 

[BobD]

Don't worry about your name, brah... Let 'er fly. Welcome to Irishenvy.

Thank you! Go Irish!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Just my thought. I can't claim to be an expert, but I think there are a couple of athletes on defense that, if needed, have the skills to be productive and dependable recievers. Danny might even be an excellent one, especially at making things happen after the catch. What do you think?

A 6'2'' 242 lb. WR that runs a ~4.7? I don't see it.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I stumbled upon these videos of Dayne Crist's Michigan State performance. That game is so tough to find replays of but this shows all of his footage from that night.

If Kelly is being honest when he says he miles ahead of where he was last year, then I feel completely fine about Crist being the guy. He looks damn good in here, much better than Rees ever looked.

Dayne Crist vs. Michigan St. (2010) First Half - YouTube
Dayne Crist vs. Michigan St. (2010) Second Half - YouTube

 

[Old Man Mike]

If we were actually that desperate for WR help, we have a good choice in Austin Collingsworth, both from previous familiarity and availability on the defensive depth chart.