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Bogtrotter07

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I always felt a bit mixed when my students said: wow! that's some sh!t we're learning in here!

But a student did give me an apple once.

One of my best friends is a former professor of mine. He is a ND grad just like you. Still teaching at a MAC school, as I believe you said you did. Only thing is, I think he graduated a few years before you did. He knew Paul Horning. In fact, I think Regis was just a couple years ahead of him.
 

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Other than athletes, there were no "famous" media figures in my class [Don Criqui was a classmate]. I played intramural ball with Buoniconti. Stan Musial's son was a classmate. Bob Hope was commencement speaker. Shows you how long ago it was.

As to USF, there is no way that our beloved Coach Lou can be of much help to Skip in game planning. Skip is the coach; he organizes everything and makes all the plans. At best he might ask Lou in for an inspirational speech [which Lou still can give, but I bet not pre-ND game week --- maybe pre-WVU or some heavy Big East game].

Lou probably doesn't even have a trick play in his pocket that Skip hasn't seen. I think that Lou's role that week-end will be sitting somewhere in front of the TV set and trying NOT to cheer when ND does something good, in order to keep his wife [Skip's mother] from whacking him upside the head.
 

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BJ Daniels hurting his hammy helps us. If that is still sore and bothering him by Sept. 3rd, good luck playing on our minefield of a playing surface. Hey, our grass will finally give us an advantage!!

Also, Skip Holtz isn't Lou Holtz. I think it's more likely that Skip is over-emotional, distracted, and not fully on his game or has his team fully prepared than the opposite being true where his team is ready more than any other team he's ever had.

Skip is going to be distracted, there's no doubt about that. We should have Alex Flanagan try and interview him about 10 times before, and during the game. Do it, do it!
 

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As I said Lou Holtz is not guzzeling down coffe and pouring over game film and has no inside info-I'm not saying that- what I am saying is that he knows----as a hall of fame coach how this first game works. Foolish maybe in my thoughts but I would not want Lou Holtz on the other side in any game Notre Dame plays. If I were his son I would say hey Dad-what do you think/how should this game be approached/what is my best option to win this game. If those questions are asked and I'm sure they will be asked Lou Holtz is the man to answer those questions. This game scares me.
 

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As I said Lou Holtz is not guzzeling down coffe and pouring over game film and has no inside info-I'm not saying that- what I am saying is that he knows----as a hall of fame coach how this first game works. Foolish maybe in my thoughts but I would not want Lou Holtz on the other side in any game Notre Dame plays. If I were his son I would say hey Dad-what do you think/how should this game be approached/what is my best option to win this game. If those questions are asked and I'm sure they will be asked Lou Holtz is the man to answer those questions. This game scares me.

Why would he be the man to answer those questions?
 

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Sticking by what I said and I do hope you guys are better informed than me and 'The Irish' win the game. Ten wins but this is one of the loses. I think what really bothers me is the opponent coach's Dad-we all love and respect Lou and I would not want to go against him ( as a coach ) or whatever he could do to help his son win this game. I would imagine he would have real input in helping his son-not hands on coaching stuff but father to son -hey-this is what I would do. I should have said this earlier to explain my feelings on this game-I do think Lou Holtz is a factor in this. I do think he will do anything to help his son win this game and as I said I'm sure he's torn a little on his alligence but he will help his son in any way he can. And rightly so. You guys are going to say no-he's no coach anymore no- he's not going to call one play no-he's not that involved----dont kid yourself if his son asks he will respond. The guy could still coach.

It doesn't matter that Lou is Skip's father. Lou has no "inside" information on BKs playbook or Diaco's defensive schemes. He's not at the practices getting a feel for the teams chemistry or strengths and weaknesses.

Skip Holtz is a good enough coach to stand alone. He doesn't need Lou to tell him how to compete with ND.

The fact is ND has more talent and depth and this game will be over by the end of the 3rd quarter.

As I said Lou Holtz is not guzzeling down coffe and pouring over game film and has no inside info-I'm not saying that- what I am saying is that he knows----as a hall of fame coach how this first game works. Foolish maybe in my thoughts but I would not want Lou Holtz on the other side in any game Notre Dame plays. If I were his son I would say hey Dad-what do you think/how should this game be approached/what is my best option to win this game. If those questions are asked and I'm sure they will be asked Lou Holtz is the man to answer those questions. This game scares me.

He's not on the other sideline and at this point what can he really give Skip that would be a competitive advantage??

I do agree that if Lou was given 2 weeks to prepare for a game he could arguably beat anyone. But, he is not a coach anymore, he is not thinking Xs and Os and he does not have a secret to tell Skip that will help him defeat ND.

Don't you think our boys are going to come out of the gate fired up? Don't you think Luongos work is going to shine in the 3rd and 4th quarters? Don't you think our defense is gonna keep rolling from last year.. especially with our freshman freaks adding depth?

I say spend more time pondering the substantial leap ND football could make this year rather than Lou Holtz giving his son a few plays that will defeat the Irish.
 

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Notre Dame

They're onto us! A link to a USF fan site.

Actually a pretty fair group of fans.

They think their defense will keep them in the game and the deciding factor will be the play of Daniels.
 

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Notre Dame

They're onto us! A link to a USF fan site.

Actually a pretty fair group of fans.

They think their defense will keep them in the game and the deciding factor will be the play of Daniels.

I think they suck. They were very cocky and arrogant until the news of BJ's hamstring injury. After the news they became a little concerned about ND's defense and the odds dropped to 3-2 USF victory.:naughty:

I don't think this game is a gimme by any means, but man, I really hate opposing fans.
 

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I think they suck. They were very cocky and arrogant until the news of BJ's hamstring injury. After the news they became a little concerned about ND's defense and the odds dropped to 3-2 USF victory.:naughty:

I don't think this game is a gimme by any means, but man, I really hate opposing fans.

I'm with this guy...

Seems like for every 1 logical fan there were 5 arrogant fans...

A lot of them just made sweeping statements like "we beat Clemson and ND is barely better than Clemson"

One of the posters even called BK "cocky"

We'll see what happens on September 3rd USF
 

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I love them clinging to the argument that we barely beat Pitt last year and they beat Clemson.

Umm, USF lost to Pitt last year and Clemson was 6-7 last year.

I watched the Bulls play Pitt last year and they did not look good. Only 285 yards of offense (45 coming off one long TD run), and even with Pitt getting a ridiculous 116 penalty yards, USF's offense still couldn't do ANYTHING.

There are reasons to be concerned about this game, but since when did USF's defense become Alabama's??

They should probably re-watch their game against Cincinnati last year to see what a spread team can do to their defense.
 

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I read a southern Florida football writer's evaluation of USF [he is concentrating on them but not associated with the school, and likes comparing the various Big East schools] and he was breaking down the Bulls position group by position group. I was surprised to read how much they had lost off their starting line-ups from last year, and how much the "optimism" was based on back-ups and relatively untried people with on-paper talent, but not-so-much game-tested talent.

Every ballgame against a good opponent is a danger, but USF seems to have a lot of unanswered questions. When you have a LOT of unanswered questions, it is usually true that some of them will REMAIN unanswered through the first several games, if not the entire season.

Kelly should have us ready to win this. I can imagine us doing some sputtering around, especially if we turn the ball over, but we should be prepared for what Holtz can do. The USF fans on the site located above were pretty calm and loyal actually; I've heard a lot worse even on this site. They were placing almost all their eggs in two baskets: BJDaniels and their defense. Daniels just went boom. They have to be somewhat depressed by that. And although they're not admitting it, the defense has replacement questions in several areas.

No relaxation for us on this, but no depression either.

p.s. The writer, and many folks down south, seem to still envision Notre Dame as a Pittsburgh-style pound-you type team. The writer admitted that while USF does fairly well against that sort of team, they do not do well against a spread offense throw-it-around team. Their safeties, who they are very proud of, played deep last year, and stopped long strike touchdowns, while giving up huge amounts of yardage underneath. Well, guess where Kelly throws it, guys. The writer admitted that when they play a passing team, they must change their defensive strategy or they'll get hosed. He also noted that they, because of a near prevent-strategy back there, were among the worst in the nation at getting other Offenses off the field. Hmmmm....well, at least Skip Holtz will know that ND throws it around [and in his vulnerable 8-12 yard area] even if no one else down there does.
 
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Take a look at reply #13. Those girls look really, really smart.
 
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I'm at least 1 of a handful of arrogant fans here... ;)

Blowout win coming Sept. 3rd.

I read a southern Florida football writer's evaluation...well, at least Skip Holtz will know that ND throws it around [and in his vulnerable 8-12 yard area] even if no one else down there does.

Yup, blowout.

Notre Dame
They think their defense will keep them in the game and the deciding factor will be the play of Daniels.

Nope, blowout.


Straight up, blowout.

You naysayers need to find a place in Vegas and bet the farm. Good luck finding a place in Vegas.
 

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i want to beat these guys sooo bad.

I live in south florida and 2 years ago or so i went to a ND usf bball game in tampa. ND lost, and all the fans were saying we want a shot at your football team too!

among saying other Typical ahole redneck/dirtbag fan things.

Well you got your wish *******s lets see how it goes!!

p.s. i was at the usf ND bball game last season as well! they weren't so cocky when we were up 30-3 in the first half!

Go Irish!!!!!
 

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One gem from the USF forum that had me laughing: "We just need to make sure we keep them off the field and win TOP"

I'm pretty sure they'll win time of possession, regardless of how the game goes.
 
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One gem from the USF forum that had me laughing: "We just need to make sure we keep them off the field and win TOP"

I'm pretty sure they'll win time of possession, regardless of how the game goes.

I think our defense forces quite a few three and outs.

The only way they make more TOP, will be if our offense scores quickly: which is likely.
 

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I def do not agree with them that their "defense will keep them in it".. This is week 1 baby! These guys are in Luongo shape and are gonna come out playing like maniacs!

To me, like I said from the beginning, it comes down to talent and depth.. We simply have more.
 

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I look forward to visiting your campus and stadium for the first game of the season. Obviously optimism his high for fans of both teams as they should be at this time of year. Looking forward to a good game and a good crowd in South Bend. Don't let a fan or a minority of fans paint an inaccurate picture of USF fans, just as I won't let a few ND fans give most ND fans a bad name. I hope both teams get through camp and practice without injury and incidents so that each is at full strength for a great game. Cheers.
 

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I look forward to visiting your campus and stadium for the first game of the season. Obviously optimism his high for fans of both teams as they should be at this time of year. Looking forward to a good game and a good crowd in South Bend. Don't let a fan or a minority of fans paint an inaccurate picture of USF fans, just as I won't let a few ND fans give most ND fans a bad name. I hope both teams get through camp and practice without injury and incidents so that each is at full strength for a great game. Cheers.

Welcome aboard bullwark, you'll find that most of the people on this board feel the same way. We want a good game and we can't wait for the season to start. Obviously south Florida has some of us on a higher alert because they are a more than capable team with a very good coach. I personally wish for an Irish win, because 1. I'm an Irish fan. And 2. A certain number of fans made my experience at a usf bball game very unpleasant. I don't think the couple of idiots I met are a good representation of usf fans, every fan base has it's *******s even ND. So with that said Good luck and enjoy your time in south bend. A game there is like nothing else I've been to.
 

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nice civilized post bullwark. We on IE agree that no large group of people is composed mostly of bad apples, and that "worthy opponents" exist everywhere. I have a question for a knowledgeable fan of USF such as you: given that your team lost a fair number of very good players, and given that much of the commentators around the nation feel that Daniels is erratic yet the offense is strongly dependent upon him, what aspects of the USF team are the home fans seeing as strengths so as to challenge, say, WVU and Pitt in the Big East??

P.S. a visit to the campus here is a real treat whether it has to do with football or not --- you will enjoy that, especially if you have a spiritual side.
 

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I look forward to visiting your campus and stadium for the first game of the season. Obviously optimism his high for fans of both teams as they should be at this time of year. Looking forward to a good game and a good crowd in South Bend. Don't let a fan or a minority of fans paint an inaccurate picture of USF fans, just as I won't let a few ND fans give most ND fans a bad name. I hope both teams get through camp and practice without injury and incidents so that each is at full strength for a great game. Cheers.

Hey Bullwark...good luck on the season OTHER than the first game. :)

I agree its going to be a good game. Cheers back to you!
 
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Bullwark:

I look forward to Manti Teo disabling your QB, personally.

Cheers.

If you need hair dressing tips, hit me up...
 
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I sort of felt like we were lacking on the knucklehead status quo, so I piped in a "noncivilized" response.

Bless me.

*sigh

Good luck Bulls.
 

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Welcome to the board. If you need tissues after your embarrassing 34 point blow out loss don't ask us, we don't care.
 
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