Ohio State to vacate all of 2010's wins

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Ohio State's self-imposed penalties could match NCAA ruling - Stewart Mandel - SI.com

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Mandel's take is OSU's self imposed penalties are appropriate for the charges made by the NCAA. He separates those charges from the unsupported allegations the media has made since then. He also notes there was no NCAA charge of Lack of Institutional Control like at USC or Failute to Monitor like at UNC.


But it doesn't matter what SI, ESPN or Yahoo! report. It's what the NCAA can prove, and that task became much more difficult when Pryor bolted for the pros, freeing him from any obligation to cooperate with NCAA investigators. As of today, the NCAA has not notified the school of any additional allegations. If it does, the Aug. 12 hearing would presumably be delayed, and OSU would be given another opportunity to respond.

Until then -- if "then" even happens -- none of that other noise bears any relevance on the proceedings. The only charge of import is Tressel's lie, for which he will likely be given a healthy show-cause penalty. Theoretically, the Committee can still tack on extra charges (two scholarship reductions for each ineligible player used seems within the realm of possibility). But without a broader charge against the institution, Ohio State may very well escape the massive sanctions everyone seems to think are inevitable.
 
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Damn.

She reminds me of a Courtney Cox had a kid with Katy Perry's goofy little sister chick...
 

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Casey Anthony is a Buckeye fan!? That's rich.
 
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My point was that you appeared to be going after Gene Smith, based on nothing. All the facts that are known are that Smith imposed a fine, and then rescinded it. There might be a perfectly good explanation for it. Do you think that's possible?

All I can tell you is to go back and look at all the statements made in the press by Smith and Gee. They should both be fired or penalized for illegal use of the mouth.
 

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All I can tell you is to go back and look at all the statements made in the press by Smith and Gee. They should both be fired or penalized for illegal use of the mouth.

...Now that I can agree with. I don't like Gee, and Smith is clearly being tutored by Gee in art of losing one's humility. Gee is apparently waiting for the vacancy sign in heaven before he chooses to do us all a favor.
 

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Let's see: JT gets 250 K refunded, gets 50+k in salary for the month after he "resigned," has his "resignation" rescinded, and now is listed as "retired," with all the benefits that accrue to a tenured, retired employee of THE Ohio State University.
Does anybody want to bet that he falls on his sword at the NCAA hearing? "The suck stops here!" (not a typo).
 

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ESPN files public-records lawsuit against Ohio State Buckeyes - ESPN

ESPN asks for release of OSU records
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COLUMBUS, Ohio -- ESPN has sued Ohio State University, alleging the school violated state public records law by denying requests for items related to an NCAA investigation that has led to the loss of football coach Jim Tressel and star quarterback Terrelle Pryor.

The lawsuit filed Monday in the Ohio Supreme Court asks justices to order the university to release the records and pay attorney fees and court costs. Among records sought are correspondences referring to Ted Sarniak, reportedly a mentor of Pryor in his hometown Jeannette, Pa.

The ex-coach of the Buckeyes learned in April 2010 that some players had sold memorabilia to local tattoo-parlor owner Edward Rife in violation of NCAA rules. Tressel did not tell his superiors what he knew, instead forwarding an email with that information to Sarniak.

Even though compelled to tell his superiors, the NCAA or his school's compliance department about any knowledge of violations, Tressel did not surrender that information until confronted by investigators in January of 2011.

Among its arguments, ESPN says the university cited an inapplicable federal student-records privacy law in denying records.

Ohio State spokesman Jim Lynch says the university believes it has followed applicable law. He says ESPN has received a "voluminous amount" of information.
 

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So OSU is still 0-9 in bowl games against the SEC and their winning streak against Michigan is snapped.....say, when USC comes to South Bend and gets stomped, they can drive to Columbus and cry with OSU players about how their 8 year winning streaks are over, and USC players can bring some of their worthless gear and get some free tattoos.
 
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Well Michigan's losing streak is still intact. They haven't beaten Ohio State since before Facebook was founded.
 

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Lol, yeah....Myspace was king....bwahahaha! Now its time for the Irish to break em this yr.
 
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It is nice to see that Andy Geiger did the right thing, I always kind of liked him. He always impressed me as one of the good guys. (Kind of like Seth Bullock in Deadwood.)
 

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I can understand the NCAA saying the Compliance Staff and the AD weren't involved but the head coach knew about it, failed to report it, covered it up, lied about, and made the pitch to get his boys reinstated for the bowl game.

If the head coach doesn't "monitor" who does? Who monitors a head coach?

Tressel knowingly played multiple ineligible players. That's not pushing the envelope, that's cheating. Forfeit all games, ban the coach.
 
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As predicted, JT falls on his sword after a $300,000+ gift from THE Ohio State University.
Are we to believe that JT was the only person in the state of Ohio who knew what was going on for a decade in the football program? Especially after the mess at Youngstown State?
What does a compliance department do if it does not monitor and enforce compliance?
What is the roll of the AD in monitoring compliance of the various sports?
What is the roll of the university president in insuring that his AD and head coaches (including basketball) make an honest effort to adhere to their contracts?
Either the NCAA should enforce its rules and bylaws, or it should withdraw completely from "enforcing" them.
The rules and bylaws are apparently just suggestions.
 
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Why? It has stopped. Most of the allegations originally brought up were false, (relatively). They have a good guy as coach (interim) who has made some good choices as assistant coach. And the dirty (amoral sociopathic) guy is out, probably never to coach at that level again.

As an Ohioan I am breathing a sigh of relief. The rumor mill was constant, about that guy leaving football for a career in politics! Can you imagine!

I can guarantee that everything the Buckeyes do will be under the magnifying glass from now on, yet, the Buckeyes were left strong enough to pose a pain in Michigan's *** for years to come. How perfect!

(I still think the NCAA finished it because they have bigger fish to fry; I can't wait!)
 

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I can understand the NCAA saying the Compliance Staff and the AD weren't involved but the head coach knew about it, failed to report it, covered it up, lied about, and made the pitch to get his boys reinstated for the bowl game.

If the head coach doesn't "monitor" who does? Who monitors a head coach?

I think that the NCAA looks at it as more "Are there processes in place, to keep tabs on what is happening?", as opposed to, "Did the compliance department uncover what the coaches/players were covering up?".

If the processes are in place, but fail to detect a problem because the coach lied, then why hammer the school? USC was hit because they had ONE person performing compliance functions. tOSU has one of the largest compliance staffs in the country. I think that the NCAA looks at it as: They are making an effort, but we can't expect them to hack into a coach's email account to ensure that there is nothing that the coach is hiding from them.
 

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I think that the NCAA looks at it as more "Are there processes in place, to keep tabs on what is happening?", as opposed to, "Did the compliance department uncover what the coaches/players were covering up?".

If the processes are in place, but fail to detect a problem because the coach lied, then why hammer the school? USC was hit because they had ONE person performing compliance functions. tOSU has one of the largest compliance staffs in the country. I think that the NCAA looks at it as: They are making an effort, but we can't expect them to hack into a coach's email account to ensure that there is nothing that the coach is hiding from them.

I understand the Compliance Staff isn't the Gestapo. That wasn't the inference nor the point. I knew an ND lawyer that was a SouthEastern Conference Complaince Officer and had quite a few talks about complaince over the years.

Tressel has laid out the blueprint for cheating. Don't tell Compliance! IF you get caught you'll lose your job but until you do you can make millions. AND IF you get caught, you get to keep the millions as long as you fall on you sword.

In business if the CFO cooks the books, The Company still get the fine. If your stock broker violates S.E.C. regulations on your account, The Firm is still liable. Both entities had compliance staff and regulations in place but the organization is still held liable for their employee's/agent's actions.

In OSU's case they played ineligible players then lied to get the players eligibility restored. Tressel wasn't some Graduate Assistant making an honest but wrong mistake. Tressel was the highest paid employee of OSU with over 30 years of NCAA experience and he calculated how to cheat. AND OSU profited by it.
 
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Exactly. If you line him up and shoot him with a firing squad, that will reduce the incidents, too. Maybe. But if you penalize all the schools who have this kind of issue, you will get Notre Dame playing Ithaca College for the National Championship, (yes and Ithaca only has a women's swim team.)
 

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Tressel wasn't some Graduate Assistant making an honest but wrong mistake. Tressel was the highest paid employee of OSU with over 30 years of NCAA experience and he calculated how to cheat. AND OSU profited by it.

And Tressel is now unemployed. He still faces possible NCAA sanctions next month. If the NCAA wants to do the right thing, and send a strong message, they will ban Tressel from coaching or participating in any NCAA sponsored events.
 

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And Tressel is now unemployed. He still faces possible NCAA sanctions next month. If the NCAA wants to do the right thing, and send a strong message, they will ban Tressel from coaching or participating in any NCAA sponsored events.

So what message does that send? What message is recieved by Athletic/Compliance departments around the country by one man losing his job over some pretty serious charges?
 

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And Tressel is now unemployed. He still faces possible NCAA sanctions next month. If the NCAA wants to do the right thing, and send a strong message, they will ban Tressel from coaching or participating in any NCAA sponsored events.

Yeah, he's unemployed but the deferred checks keep on coming like Willingham and Wei,s only they didn't cheat. How much did Tressel amass during his OSU tenure, $20 -25 million? He's not heading down to the unemployment office in Columbus to get his $200 a week check.

The NCAA isn't going to ban Tressel. He'll get a Show Cause Letter in his file that will be sent to any NCAA school interviewing him for the next two years. Like the NCAA did with the UCONN assistants. The NCAA had to pay Tarkanian $2.5 million for their action against him and UNLV. They're not going to ban him and they can't fine him.OSU is the member of the NCAA not Tressel that's why the punishment is issued to the school.

The NCAA had Pat Dye cold with playing financial dealings. Auburn was told unofficially he would have to be separated from the Athletic Department as he was not only Head Football Coach but also the AD. Dye was allowed by Auburn to resign right before sanctions came down. Dye was then HIRED by Auburn to be The Special Assistant To The President (for Life). So much for crime and punishment.
At worse the NCAA will vacate his sweater vest.
 
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