ND a joke in SEC country.....

[Easton Pa ND Fan]

Parseghian not in a hurry...

Parseghian not in a hurry...

Plus Ara Parseghian said he would love to see ND win another championship before his time comes to leave the earth, so let's give him one!

I don't think Ara is in that much of a hurry...Tom:idea:

 

[BGIF]

... like 19 year old Alabama fans who talk smack of ND, but know nothing of the history between Ara and Bear...

That's principally for two reasons they were taught that by their grandfathers who still hold a grudge and because they never saw the Orange Bowl and Sugar Bowl Classic. The only Bama/ND game that is show in SECland is the '86 game where #2 ranked Bama beat ND in T'Town 28-10. That game is a staple on "The Greatest Games in Alabama History". I called the show and asked why they didn't play the Orange Bowl and Sugar Bowl games, two of the greatest game in football history. Their response was, "We only show game that Alabama won".

Another reason was a book written about 5 years ago by a sportswriter who graduated from Alabama, "The Missing Ring: How Bear Bryant and the 1966 Alabama Crimson Tide Were Denied College Football's Most Elusive Prize"

He makes a case that George Wallace's segregation stand caused the "Eastern media" to vote for Notre Dame to punish the state of Alabama. Alabama had won back to back titles in '64 and '65 after winning in '61 as well. They were the preseason #1 team but by October Notre Dame and Michigan State move ahead of Alabama in the polls. ND and MSU met in the legendary 10-10 tie. Despite the tie, Bama didn't move ahead of either of them. The next week ND demolished the 10th ranked Trojans 51-0 with the second string QB (who was a diabetic) playing the whole game. The 1st string QB was knocked out early in the MSU game. That 51-0 win guaranteed a National Chamionship. In 1966 the Final Poll was take right after the regular season ended. Both the AP and UPI voted ND #1, MSU #2 and Alabama #3. Bama didn't move up on either ND or MSU despite being undefeated and untied. ND and MSU finished the season 10-1.

The author of the book make Parshegian the villain because he "let" the game end in a tie. From the author's viewpoint a coach that did that lacked honor "backing" into a championship. The author seems to forget that Bryant (who was his mentor) was the master of playing for a tie. He had 17 in his 38 year career. By comparison Paterno has 3 ties in 20 year and Bowden had 4 in 27 years before overtime was instituted. And Parshegian only had 6 ties in 24 years of coaching.

And for the record in 1965 the year before, Alabama won the NC with a record of 9-1 and 1.

So there's a whole generation of Bama fans that never saw the games but grew up with the hatred that Parshegian and those damn Yankees from the Noth (sic) cheated Bear's Boys and they can read it themselves.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

You know, its funny that Texans seem to think of themselves that way. I just finished off a series of books around the politics of the 1830s and 1840's, and as it turns out, the 'founding' Texans (think Austin, Houston, etc.) were EXTREMELY eagar to join with someone - Britain, the US, and maybe even Mexico in the worst case scenario. Point being, they knew they couldn't hack it as their own country, and needed to join up with somebody. But moden Texans act as though its the other way around. Somewhat comical

Thanks James K. Polk!

By "founding Texans", you might be talking about "Anglo east U.S.A. expanding west" history.

Well, here goes a grotesque generalization, and unscientific observation based on an "n=1" - me:

I've been all around Texas, and I don't see any more "pride" than any other citizen of any other state. As a matter of fact, once I moved to SoCal, I took crap from Californians when I told them I had just moved from Texas. I don't speak the East Texas twang, but I took lots of fun ribbing even though I never said a word about Texas.

I guess Dallas might epitomize the perception of Texas "arrogance", but the further south and west, especially along the Rio Grande you go, the more you see the Spain and native influence. Far west Texas (El Paso area) and New Mexico share the same history. You might as well call Santa Fe and Albuquerque North El Paso. (They probably would not appreciate that...) Exact same history. Towns in NM and neighborhoods in EP have exact same names, a result of the Indian revolt against the Spaniards. Ysleta, Senecu, Socorro, etc... I think the population of El Paso/Juarez is more than the entire state of NM.

Don't get me started on L.A. history (Nuestra Señora de los Angeles de la Porciúncula) or Mullholland and the aqueducts...

But Texans of all backgrounds seem to be proud, but not arrogant, Texans and U.S.A. citizens, highly aware of their roots. I think El Paso and San Jose Ca. have been named #1 "friendliest citlies" in the U.S.A, several times. Having spent time in both cities, I believe it, but I would give the edge to El Paso. Crazy friendly and helpful to strangers. And they loves them some Notre Dame.

 

[jdailey1981]

That's principally for two reasons they were taught that by their grandfathers who still hold a grudge and because they never saw the Orange Bowl and Sugar Bowl Classic. The only Bama/ND game that is show in SECland is the '86 game where #2 ranked Bama beat ND in T'Town 28-10. That game is a staple on "The Greatest Games in Alabama History". I called the show and asked why they didn't play the Orange Bowl and Sugar Bowl games, two of the greatest game in football history. Their response was, "We only show game that Alabama won".

Another reason was a book written about 5 years ago by a sportswriter who graduated from Alabama, "The Missing Ring: How Bear Bryant and the 1966 Alabama Crimson Tide Were Denied College Football's Most Elusive Prize"

He makes a case that George Wallace's segregation stand caused the "Eastern media" to vote for Notre Dame to punish the state of Alabama. Alabama had won back to back titles in '64 and '65 after winning in '61 as well. They were the preseason #1 team but by October Notre Dame and Michigan State move ahead of Alabama in the polls. ND and MSU met in the legendary 10-10 tie. Despite the tie, Bama didn't move ahead of either of them. The next week ND demolished the 10th ranked Trojans 51-0 with the second string QB (who was a diabetic) playing the whole game. The 1st string QB was knocked out early in the MSU game. That 51-0 win guaranteed a National Chamionship. In 1966 the Final Poll was take right after the regular season ended. Both the AP and UPI voted ND #1, MSU #2 and Alabama #3. Bama didn't move up on either ND or MSU despite being undefeated and untied. ND and MSU finished the season 10-1.

The author of the book make Parshegian the villain because he "let" the game end in a tie. From the author's viewpoint a coach that did that lacked honor "backing" into a championship. The author seems to forget that Bryant (who was his mentor) was the master of playing for a tie. He had 17 in his 38 year career. By comparison Paterno has 3 ties in 20 year and Bowden had 4 in 27 years before overtime was instituted. And Parshegian only had 6 ties in 24 years of coaching.

And for the record in 1965 the year before, Alabama won the NC with a record of 9-1 and 1.

So there's a whole generation of Bama fans that never saw the games but grew up with the hatred that Parshegian and those damn Yankees from the Noth (sic) cheated Bear's Boys and they can read it themselves.

That's just it....its ALWAYS an excuse in the SEC....always! Let's talk about the bowl games last season, primarily the Sugar Bowl...this is not ND related, but its an example.....all these SEC fans talked "OSU is fixing to go 0-10 in bowl games against the SEC" than, low and behold, OSU won......than it became "Oh, it doesn't matter, it was Arkansas, the unwanted stepchild of the SEC, had it been Alabama, they would have been destroyed." Notice though, Arkansas was the 3rd top ranked SEC team, even over OSU...but it was all an excuse....they can't stand losing!

Watch what happens, should the SEC not get into the championship, you will hear they got cheated, blah blah blah....

They talk about 1986, but they fail to mention the next year, ND destroyed them 36-7. know we have lost some games to some teams we shouldn't have.....but throw it in their faces about their losses to Utah and back to back losses to Louisiana-Monroe.......let the excuses fly!

Im sorry, it was 37-6 they beat Alabama

If anyone watched the video, at the end of the Sugar Bowl in 1973, Ara said "I would also like to give a hand to this Alabama football team, one of the best coached teams, we have ever played, this was an excellent game for college football." Plus, they said this is the first UNANIMOUS championship game win, in which ND won 34-33 but Alabama still claims that championship as one of their 13. The NCAA recognizes ND won the game, but the only reason they hold onto that is because of the UPI I think it was still gave it to Alabama.

Plus, let's not forget...the SEC is terrified to play bowl games outside of the south. Sure, they will play season games outside of their element (ie Alabama plays Penn State @ Beaver Stadium this season) but come time for bowl games, they wont cross the mason-dixon line to come up north to play. I hope soon we can get a good home-home game against a good SEC team soon. We just have to prove we can make it through our season games now.

 

[DANsanity15]

Notre Dame could easily handle any SEC team right now with the exception of Alabama. Lsu is overratd in my honest opinion and Florida is rebuilding. No way they could beat ND so it makes no since ND is a joke to them. And it's hilarious when Tennessee fans talk trash about ND. Their team has been awful the past 3-5 years and ND has beat them in their last 3 meetings

 

[IrishLax]

Notre Dame could easily handle any SEC team right now with the exception of Alabama. Lsu is overratd in my honest opinion and Florida is rebuilding. No way they could beat ND so it makes no since ND is a joke to them. And it's hilarious when Tennessee fans talk trash about ND. Their team has been awful the past 3-5 years and ND has beat them in their last 3 meetings

Woah woah woah... let's slow down. We wouldn't "easily handle" anyone but Vandy.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Notre Dame could easily handle any SEC team right now with the exception of Alabama. Lsu is overratd in my honest opinion and Florida is rebuilding. No way they could beat ND so it makes no since ND is a joke to them. And it's hilarious when Tennessee fans talk trash about ND. Their team has been awful the past 3-5 years and ND has beat them in their last 3 meetings

Woah woah woah... let's slow down. We wouldn't "easily handle" anyone but Vandy.

Thank you. How old are you ND15? The reason I ask is that I'm not sure how much football you've watched if you're saying that. And if you go off spewing that we'd handle any SEC team right now in public, you'd be embarrassing yourself and ND fans everywhere.

LSU may be overrated, but they were still excellent last year, they defend their asses off, and they have speed in droves. Have you seen South Carolina??? Their defense is outstanding, their RB will be an AA, their receiver can match Michael Floyd, and their QB has been there for like 8 years. FL's speed and their ridiculous dline will not allow us to 'handle' them. Georgia will be much improved. Arkansas was in the BCS last year while we were in the Sun Bowl, and they could be better this year despite losing their QB. Auburn will be down, but we wouldn't 'handle' them either. Mississippi State is on the rise. Ole Miss is talented.

And we barely, barely beat a bad USC team last year. We lost to Navy and Tulsa. We lost to a bad Michigan team. We'll be better this year, but we have zero right to say we'll handle every SEC team save Alabama. Sorry, but that's friggin ridiculous, and quite frankly, embarrassing. And I can't stand the SEC, so it pains me to say that.

And jbailey, I merged your posts. Please do not write 4 different posts back to back to back to back, especially if you're not quoting anybody. Just make your points on one post. We'll read it.

 

[daytonirish]

I've gotten more crap from folks in Ohio and Michigan for being a ND fan than anything that comes close to what has been said to me in the south.

 

[DANsanity15]

19. And ole miss vandy and Tennessee. IMO they could handle arkansas too. And this years team is going to be 10x better than last years team. Crist went out 2nd play against Tulsa. Didn't have Floyd Williams and calabrese for navy.

And crist didn't play the whole first half against michigan. If Nds best players are healthy they easily get 10 wins

 

[NDinL.A.]

19. And ole miss vandy and Tennessee. IMO they could handle arkansas too. And this years team is going to be 10x better than last years team. Crist went out 2nd play against Tulsa. Didn't have Floyd Williams and calabrese for navy.

And crist didn't play the whole first half against michigan. If Nds best players are healthy they easily get 10 wins

??? You said ANY SEC team. Now you're saying how many? 4? That's a far cry from 11. And you are sorely, sorely underestimating Arkansas.

As for the Navy excuses, please tell me you are joking. First of all, Williams was injured in the 3rd quarter, and Calabrese didn't start the last 4 games and we were fine. And anyway, are you effing kidding me? You're using injuries as an excuse against NAVY?????? We should beat Navy with our friggin' eyes closed. And you use the Crist was injured excuse against Tulsa and Michigan, but he was completely healthy against Navy and we got clobbered...to friggin' Navy!!!

And guess what...injuries happen to everyone. It's part of the game. You think ND is the only team to have injuries? USC had their best 2 players out against us...Matt Barkley and Tyron Smith. Does that mean our victory shouldn't count?

Sorry dude, but your premise that we could handle 11 SEC teams is ridiculous. I agree that we'll be a helluva lot better this year, but please, for all ND fans' sakes, do not go spewing around town that ND could handle all 11 SEC teams and that we lost to Navy because of injuries. You'll get (deservedly) laughed out of town...

 

[Dizzyphil]

Notre Dame could easily handle any SEC team right now with the exception of Alabama. Lsu is overratd in my honest opinion and Florida is rebuilding. No way they could beat ND so it makes no since ND is a joke to them. And it's hilarious when Tennessee fans talk trash about ND. Their team has been awful the past 3-5 years and ND has beat them in their last 3 meetings

My friend, before one says LSU is overrated, 709 victories, the 12th most in NCAA history, and the 4th most of any SEC team, in the past 10 years they have 3 SEC titles and 2 national championships. Do I like the SEC - not really, do I respect them - damn well sure do.

For the rest of the folks on this thread, the south has troubles, don't get me wrong but, there are two types of people down here - southerners and SEC fans. There is a difference. I have lived in the south somewhere all my life. I am a ND fan because my Grandfather took me to my first game (ND VS AL) and I chose ND. So basically, I was a 50/50 chance of being one of those 'folks' you guys would have been bashing!!! LOL

But for the most part, we hillbillies are okay unless the SEC is thier religion!!!

Diz

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

But for the most part, we hillbillies are okay unless the SEC is thier religion!!!

Diz

their. Godamit.

I esspekt mo betta from yaz, Diz.

 

[DANsanity15]

Lol really dude? Navy has had one of he best offenses in te country th last 3 years. And I'm lmao that you're trying to undermine my intelligence right now because I said they could beat most of the sec teams? It's my opinion I was stating it like everyone else is on these threads. If you don't like it don't then read my posts. Simple enough

 

[jdailey1981]

As much as I hate to say it, last year, we probably would have lost to Vandy....the SEC is now at the current strength combined that Michigan used to be. I think we will do good, and we may get in a bowl game with a SEC team and might win....you never know. As far as Michigan goes......they got a season opener against Alabama in 2012, so we will see there.

Notre Dame can be back where we were, but I don't think we could ever "fully" beat the SEC back to back.....even back in a time when Ara was coach, LSU put a beating on ND. All that we can do is hope for the best and rally behind our team. Do I think our team can ever be good enough to beat Alabama again? Absolutely, its just ND has to get this mentality out of People's heads that ND is in a bad place with bad weather....yet this never stopped our team from going to victory before.

As far as Tennessee, to correct a previous post, the last 2 times we played UT, we beat them, not 3. The ND/UT series is 2-2. The only undefeated team in the SEC against ND is Georgia.

We get laughed at here, and that's fine, because ND is and will forever be a prestigious college with history dating back over 100 years. The only way ND can really be taken serious and gain respect again, is to build the way back to where it once was, and beat some big name teams. It wont happen overnght, but I believe with Coach Kelly, this will happen.

 

[Dizzyphil]

their. Godamit.

I esspekt mo betta from yaz, Diz.

better works on me spelling skillz....

ok ... i'm off my soapbox!!!! LOL

Regards,
Jethro Bodine.....

 

[tommyIRISH23]

I am actually on a trip now a little south of Charlestown, SC...close to the SC GA stateline. The people down here are AWESOME. They are so laid back, and welcoming

 

[dshans]

Jethro Bodine.....

Yo, Jethro! Think you could hook me up with Elly May? I'd be willing to do all I can to keep Miz Hathaway out of your hair.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Lol really dude? Navy has had one of he best offenses in te country th last 3 years. And I'm lmao that you're trying to undermine my intelligence right now because I said they could beat most of the sec teams? It's my opinion I was stating it like everyone else is on these threads. If you don't like it don't then read my posts. Simple enough

Yup, LOL all you want, but you sound almost like a troll trying to make ND fans look bad. Yeah, it's your opinion, and in my opinion it's completely wrong and is just spewing off without giving any consideration to something we like to call reason. You still haven't convinced me one iota how ND would handle 11 of the 12 SEC teams. How about this - why do you feel that way? It's one thing to say "Well, I'm just drinking the Kool-aid and I love ND, and I know it's probably not true but that's what I feel." Cool. But quite another to just be ridiculous about it.

What if I said this: "I think I could beat Kobe Bryant one on one. I'd just handle him. Just my opinion, and don't undermine my intelligence by arguing with me." No facts, no evidence, just my opinion. I'd sound ludicrous right? That's almost how you sound. And this is a message board, when you put it out there, people are going to debate you. If you can't handle that, don't post. Simple enough? If I read it, and want to debate it, I will. (And incidentally, you haven't found one person that agrees with you yet.)

As for Navy, again, please tell me you're kidding. First you give the excuse that Ian Williams got injured (in the 3rd quarter) and Carlo was injured (we ended 4-0 without him starting) adn Floyd was out (fair enough). Does that make it OK that some 170 pound walk-on fullback can run for almost 200 yds against us??? Are serious? And LOL at them having one of the best college offense the last 3 years. Quit making sh!t up dude. Last year they ranked 37th in total offense, 2009 they were 52nd, and 2008 they were 59th. That's one of the best???

And don't you think it's sad that we only scored 17 pts aginst them, while Wake Friggin' Forest scored 27, and Duke scored 34, and East Carolina scored 35, and Central Michigan scored 37. How about a little humble pie ND15? How about we 'handle' Navy before we go popping off that we could handle the entire SEC?

 

[DANsanity15]

Rushing offenses first off. Secondly you haven't stated your opinion all you've done is talk **** about me. Come to think about it my opinion was wrong. Bama and sc are the only sec schools Notre dame likely wouldn't beat. I'll even give you lsu. Out of the other 9 Notre dame could beat vandy Tennessee and ole miss easily, especially with the inexperience at QB for ole miss. Now the other 6. Miss state would have probably 150+ rush yards. They lost a lot of their good defensive players to the draft and i don't think what they have on d could stop NDs offense. Georgia is solid but they are also losing a number of playmakers and I dont think they could pass very well on Nds defense without a dominant outside WR like Green. Florida has speed yes but they are learning a new offense and that team is built to run a spread theyvdont have the right pieces yet or experience with the pro style. Wilson played well for Arkansas but I don't think he's close to Ryan mallet talent especially with them losing Williams. They could run it well but again, i don't think they could pass well against Notre dames d. And i forgot Kentucky. Yea I think they could beat them pretty bad too. So is this enough? Are you finally going to stop criticize every sentence I say or are you going to continue to be immature? It's up to you. I've presented a good argument IMO.

And sorry about any typos. I have an iPhone. Messes up everything I try to type

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

And sorry about any typos. I have an iPhone. Messes up everything I try to type

Don't be driving. Use your PC.

 

[DANsanity15]

Don't be driving. Use your PC.

Haven't been at home today. Trust me I would be on my computer because this iPhone typing is annoying

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Well, cops are out en masse for the next few days. STAY HOME. Or get a taxi.

 

[DANsanity15]

O I wasn't driving lol. In the process of moving. I was posting every time I took a short break

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

K.

 

[DANsanity15]

Thanks for the advise. Yea I've already gotten one ticket this week, literally can't afford another one

 

[NDinL.A.]

Rushing offenses first off. Secondly you haven't stated your opinion all you've done is talk **** about me. Come to think about it my opinion was wrong. Bama and sc are the only sec schools Notre dame likely wouldn't beat. I'll even give you lsu. Out of the other 9 Notre dame could beat vandy Tennessee and ole miss easily, especially with the inexperience at QB for ole miss. Now the other 6. Miss state would have probably 150+ rush yards. They lost a lot of their good defensive players to the draft and i don't think what they have on d could stop NDs offense. Georgia is solid but they are also losing a number of playmakers and I dont think they could pass very well on Nds defense without a dominant outside WR like Green. Florida has speed yes but they are learning a new offense and that team is built to run a spread theyvdont have the right pieces yet or experience with the pro style. Wilson played well for Arkansas but I don't think he's close to Ryan mallet talent especially with them losing Williams. They could run it well but again, i don't think they could pass well against Notre dames d. And i forgot Kentucky. Yea I think they could beat them pretty bad too. So is this enough? Are you finally going to stop criticize every sentence I say or are you going to continue to be immature? It's up to you. I've presented a good argument IMO.

OK, so you have a team in Navy that can't pass the ball, you load up to stop the run, and some 190 pound walk-on fullback who wouldn't make the Dillon Hall football squad still rushes for 210 (!!!!!!!!) yds against us??? And dude, we're friggin Notre Dame, we recruit 4 and 5 star athletes up and down the roster; we outweight Navy's o-line by at least 50 pounds a player, and yet Navy kicked the crap out of us based solely on scheme and heart/gnads, not talent.

And you expect that ND team to be able to 'handle' 11 SEC teams?

As for the SEC, you said 'handle', not beat. And you said all teams save Alabama. Now you're changing it to 9 teams, and saying we could beat them. Well, hell, I agree with that. We can beat a lot fo teams on any given Saturday. Absolutely. But they could absolutely beat us too, and all of their top schools would be favored against ND, and rightly so (for now). So I agree with what you said on that last post. But it's not what was originally argued, that's for sure.

Look, you're 19 years old, and I'm not looking to pick on you. But when you come on a board and automatically start saying crazy things that make no sense, you're gonna get called out. It's not personal, it's not immature, it's just debate. And sorry...read your first few posts regarding the SEC and Navy. Making excuses for us losing to Navy, and saying we'd handle the SEC??? That's crazy talk IMO.

 

[DANsanity15]

I understand that. And I wasn't really thinking when I posted that. I think bama and sc are crazy good. It would be tough to beat them. Lsu is a diff story IMO. They've got talent but Jefferson is extrememly inconsistent

 

[jdailey1981]

I understand that. And I wasn't really thinking when I posted that. I think bama and sc are crazy good. It would be tough to beat them. Lsu is a diff story IMO. They've got talent but Jefferson is extrememly inconsistent

Idk man....to see him against Texas A&M, he had it together. In all honesty, I think LSU will be the team to watch in the SEC this year. Alabama lost all their big talent....but its Alabama, they don't recruit, they reload..I hope soon ND can do this.

As far as handling the SEC, let's first worry about our 2 biggest rivals now...Navy and USC. We just now broke an 8 year winning streak against USC, so now we have to break it with Navy. I think if we can get through Michigan this year, we will be ok. 2012 is going to be a bigger year, because we got Boston College....and Oklahoma! Coach Kelly done said he expects results in the first 2 years, because he knows that if he doesn't produce results in 4 yrs, fans start screaming for his ouster.

Now...that said, could we beat a big SEC team....possibly, but I wont say likely....remember the last time we played LSU in 2007? 41-14....before we can take on the SEC, we got to beat our opponents now. The step to rebuilding is step by step, not by leaps and bounds. Leaps and bounds are what get you to the top, and put you right back down. For instance, Auburn they were a leap and bound team, they were on top for a season, won a national championship, lost scam newton and now they are ranked like #16 I think?? Let's get in the heads of the big teams, start small, work up, get them knowing that ND is coming back, and their time is coming soon.

I personally can't wait, but I don't want a great team for one season, than be back down. I hope that ND stays up there and when guys like Les Miles and Nick Saban retire coaching, they will know the name Notre Dame is once again at the top of their game.

 

[jdailey1981]

You said too, we could beat Florida....remember 2 seasons ago, Coach Kelly's Cincy took on Florida....and Florida whooped em....ND has what it takes, we just need to recruit strong, and as one team, combine the best of the 2...the hard hitting defense of the Big Ten, and the speedof the SEC. Bring these 2 elements together, ND will be a force to be reckoned with.

 

[irishtrain]

Sad but true! I am an Indiana native, but live in Tennessee now, and let me tell you, there is not much love for our Irish here. ND fans here are laughed at, and told that ND is no longer relevant....dispite the Irish have a 42-32-5 record against the SEC, including a stellar 5-1 record against the Alabama Crimson Tide (Bear Bryant 0-4 against Irish) but yet, we are laughed at, simply because we haven't played anyone big. Laughing at the fact of losing to Navy, the 2007 bowl where LSU won 41-14.

They say this is "past" but this is the same conference that still brags about a 1-9 bowl game record against Ohio State. All eyes are on Coach Kelly, and I think he had to completely restart the program last season, and look forward to great things this season. Current indications show ND could be ranked around #6 in the nation....I don't think we will get a national championship this season no....but I do think we could get in a great bowl game, against the SEC....and WIN! Nothing would be better than to get revenge on LSU or go for a 6-1 record against Alabama.

The blind SEC only sees in the south, not South Bend....where the Gold Dome holds a winning record against them. Here is the thing to the SEC blind......believe all you want....call us Dunder Domers, the Hail Mary God Squad.....blah blah....fact is, ND is still relevant, and on a return to our former glory, so let the words NOTRE DAME travel through the south, and spread the word.....the Irish are coming, and there is nothing you can do to stop them!

Plus Ara Parseghian said he would love to see ND win another championship before his time comes to leave the earth, so let's give him one!

Like many Notre Dame fans living down here (Ga) I get the crap as noted by jdailey. Notre Lame -and will you ever score a touchdown a few years back when Charlie was starting over with babes on offense. To the point it should be said the reason for this is they remember the *** whippings Notre Dame once laid on them and now its their time. No respect is to put it politely-they think Vanderbilt would beat Notre Dame. As Ara has said about a national championship-my dream is to go to the Sugar Bowl against a high valued SEC team in their own back yard and leave no doubt as to which team is better. Until Notre Dame does this the lack of respect will continue. When this game happens I hope the players understand what is at steak for Notre Dame. As jdailey has said I also feel the Irish are coming, but the nation will not here the train until they win a game of this magnitude. Until then I take it like a man and WAIT!!!!!