ND a joke in SEC country.....

[jdailey1981]

I tell em they can kiss it. We whooped the southerners before and will do it again

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Ahhhhh the Battle of Glorieta pass, New Mexicos only claim to civil war fame. More soldiers got drunk and lost in the forest than died in that skirmish.

Yeah that one, but there was another skirmish, not far from my description, further south. I'm thinking near Las Cruces or Old Mesilla area. I will look it up for you later.

EDIT

I think I found it: The Battle of El Brazito, just south of Las Cruces (but somehow,. I'm still not quite positive this is the one I am talking about, because the one I remember, maybe 1 person died, or fell off a horse.) And it was closer to El Paso.

"En route to Chihuahua, Doniphan's regiment was attacked by a Mexican army from El Paso del Norte about 9 miles south of Las Cruces, New Mexico. Since it was Christmas, Doniphan had given his men the day off."

Not at all meant to trivialize the War, but during my research, I found it to be a bit of a chuckle.

Interesting point, when Onate named the region El Paso del Rio del Norte in about 1598, the Rio Grande pretty much curved from southward toward the east tightly under the Rockies. As the river pushed further south, more citizens leaped North and started their vineyards. After the U.S. Mexico war, which split the area in two, you had two El Paso del Rio del Nortes, which was shortened to El Paso del Norte (Pass of the North). You had El Paso U.S., and El Paso Mexico. El Paso Mexico changed its name to Juarez, in honor of President Benito Juarez. End of confusion. Ft. Bliss was established in the 1800s to protect locals from the attacking Apaches.

 

[Ben E.]

lol, i find that sec academics are recognized as a joke....

whats higher for the average sec fan? their IQ or the number of teeth in their head??????

 

[no.1IrishFan]

I have to say I lived in south Florida for the last 13 years and I wouldn't consider it 'the south''. More like every person from the midwest with enough money to get out.

 

[Rhode Irish]

LOL...crazy story. I was at an airport one time with time to kill, so I watched MNF at a bar. I was sitting next to this guy and we started talking. Great guy, lived in Washington but was from Arkansas, and I'm talking about the boondocks of Arkansas, the back roads. He told me deep down there, racism is still alive and well; the craziest thing he told me was that the street he grew up on was sponsored by the KKK - it's written on the street sign!!!

But I'm not one to paint broad strokes with small samples. We can sit here and bag on every single part of the United States, Los Angeles and New York included. I'm kind of sensitive to it b/c USC people out here rip on South Bend all the time, when IMO it's a great place to live and raise a family. I'm sure the South is the same. Sure there's bad to it but there's also some great things about it. To each his own...

If we are being serious, I totally agree with you. Its kind of shtick for me to bag on the south. My story about the rib joint is 100% true, but I don't hold a whole part of the country accountable for that. Actually, other than that uncomfortable 10 minutes, the entire rest of my week in Mississippi was actually one of the best times of my life.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I have to say I lived in south Florida for the last 13 years and I wouldn't consider it 'the south''. More like every person from the midwest with enough money to get out.

Depends on where you are. The beachier, the more snowbirds. Away from the coast, though, it is legit god-fearing, NASCAR-lovin' south.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

South Florida = North Cuba

 

[Irish Houstonian]

I think we, as ND fans, simply need to recognize that the SEC is in a gilded age of football right now. They're the powerhouse, and everyone else is on the outside looking in. Jokes about "Southern" intelligence and the like trying to whitewash this fact only makes us look ignorant. In my view a more reasoned approach would be to acknowledge that their level of play is what is necessary for ND to win another NC.

(That said, don't get me started on how Alabama calculates national championships...)

 

[IrishLax]

SAT Scores by State |


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Mean 2010 SAT Scores by State
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States are listed by total 2010 SAT Scores
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Rank State Critical Reading Math Writing Combined Participation Rate
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1 Iowa 603 613 582 1798 3%
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2 Minnesota 594 607 580 1781 7%
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3 Wisconsin 595 604 579 1778 4%
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4 Missouri 593 595 580 1768 4%
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5 Michigan 585 605 576 1766 5%
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6 South Dakota 592 603 571 1766 3%
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7 Illinois 585 600 577 1762 6%
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8 Kansas 590 595 567 1752 6%
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9 Nebraska 585 593 568 1746 4%
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10 North Dakota 580 594 559 1733 4%
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11 Kentucky 575 575 563 1713 6%
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12 Tennessee 576 571 565 1712 10%
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13 Colorado 568 572 555 1695 18%
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14 Arkansas 566 566 552 1684 4%
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15 Oklahoma 569 568 547 1684 5%
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16 Wyoming 570 567 546 1683 5%
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17 Utah 568 559 547 1674 6%


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18 Mississippi 566 548 552 1666 3%
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19 Louisiana 555 550 547 1652 7%
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20 Alabama 556 550 544 1650 7%
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21 New Mexico 553 549 534 1636 11%
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22 Ohio 538 548 522 1608 21%
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23 Idaho 543 541 517 1601 19%
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24 Montana 538 538 517 1593 24%
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25 Washington 524 532 508 1564 54%
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26 New Hampshire 520 524 510 1554 77%
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27 Massachusetts 512 526 509 1547 86%
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28 Oregon 523 524 499 1546 54%
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29 Vermont 519 521 506 1546 66%
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30 Arizona 519 525 500 1544 25%
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31 Connecticut 509 514 513 1536 84%
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32 Alaska 518 515 491 1524 48%
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33 West Virginia 515 507 500 1522 16%
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34 Virginia 512 512 497 1521 67%
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35 California 501 516 500 1517 50%
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36 New Jersey 495 514 497 1506 76%
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37 Maryland 501 506 495 1502 70%


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38 North Carolina 497 511 477 1485 63%
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39 Rhode Island 494 495 488 1477 67%
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40 Indiana 494 505 477 1476 64%
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41 Florida 496 498 479 1473 59%
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42 Pennsylvania 492 501 480 1473 71%
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43 Nevada 496 501 473 1470 43%
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44 Delaware 493 495 481 1469 71%
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45 Texas 484 505 473 1462 53%
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46 New York 484 499 478 1461 85%
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47 Hawaii 483 505 470 1458 58%
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48 Georgia 488 490 475 1453 74%
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49 South Carolina 484 495 468 1447 66%
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50 District of Columbia 474 464 466 1404 76%
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51 Maine 468 467 454 1389 92%

Wow that's crazy... I'd always read Mississippi and Alabama had the worst educational systems in the country. What does participation rate mean? Because it's weird that Iowa (and all of the schools at the top) have low participation rates... does that mean they were only submitting their smart kids for evaluation or what? Assuming this is fair, I should retract my statements. Apparently education in the south has improved noticeably.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I think we, as ND fans, simply need to recognize that the SEC is in a gilded age of football right now. They're the powerhouse, and everyone else is on the outside looking in. Jokes about "Southern" intelligence and the like trying to whitewash this fact only makes us look ignorant. In my view a more reasoned approach would be to acknowledge that their level of play is what is necessary for ND to win another NC.

(That said, don't get me started on how Alabama calculates national championships...)

Houstonian, do you consider yourself a Southerner? Kinda curious what east Texans think, ya'll folk 900 miles away from far west Texas..

 

[Rhode Irish]

Wow that's crazy... I'd always read Mississippi and Alabama had the worst educational systems in the country. What does participation rate mean? Because it's weird that Iowa (and all of the schools at the top) have low participation rates... does that mean they were only submitting their smart kids for evaluation or what? Assuming this is fair, I should retract my statements. Apparently education in the south has improved noticeably.

Mississippi is 18th, but only 3% of kids take it.

New York is 46th, but 85% of kids take it.

Make of that what you will.

But I will suggest we consider what the rankings of New York and Mississippi would be if only the smartest 3% of New York high school students took the SAT, and 85% of Mississippi high school students took it.

Moreover, what does a 3% participation rate say about the quality of education???

 

[BeauBenken]

Mississippi is 18th, but only 3% of kids take it.

New York is 46th, but 85% of kids take it.

Make of that what you will.

But I will suggest we consider what the rankings of New York and Mississippi would be if only the smartest 3% of New York high school students took the SAT, and 85% of Mississippi high school students took it.

Moreover, what does a 3% participation rate say about the quality of education???

Only three percent take it? Am I crazy or isn't it required to go to college?

 

[IrishLax]

Vermont
Massachusetts
Florida
New Hampshire
New York
Pennsylvania
Kansas
Texas
Montana
New Jersey
Alaska
Virginia
Indiana
Maine
Hawaii
Washington
Colorado
Nevada
Delaware
Maryland
Wisconsin
Idaho
Minnesota
North Dakota
Rhode Island
District of Columbia
Georgia
Wyoming
Connecticut
California
Iowa
Oregon
Nebraska
Missouri
Ohio
Tennessee
Kentucky
Illinois
South Dakota
Alabama
North Carolina
Utah
Oklahoma
Arkansas
Arizona
Mississippi
Louisiana
New Mexico
Michigan
West Virginia
South Carolina


Taken from American Legislative Exchange Council who measured student performance across standardized tests (ACT, SAT, etc.). As you can see, 4 of the bottom 8 are SEC country.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Only three percent take it? Am I crazy or isn't it required to go to college?

I think you may have unwittingly summed up this entire thread in five words.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I went to the South for a wedding (Alabama) once and also my buddy lives in North Carolina, so I've visited a few times...and I really liked it. People were really friendly and laid-back. The food my wife and I had in Alabama was absolutely insane - best bbq ribs I've ever tasted (we went to a hole-in-the-wall place b/c we wanted authenticity). It was a former ND player's wedding, so it was very ND friendly, but even in the city (Montgomery), people were cool. In North Carolina we went to Tiger Woods' first tournament after his scandal, and the people at the golf tournament were great, and I had my ND gear on in full force.

So in my limited experience, I liked it. But I've never had to live there, so...

I think you have told this story before...Wasn't it Justin's Tuck wedding or something?

 

[GEORGIA DOMER]

I love how people mistake kindness for weakness!

 

[Couv Domer]

When your sister is your mother, and your daddy is your brother, what do you expect?

 

[BeauBenken]

I think you may have unwittingly summed up this entire thread in five words.

Lol glad to help.

 

[The Gold Helmets]

The greatest coach in the history of the SEC, Bear Bryant was 0-4 against the Irish. Plus, Notre Dame has a winning record against the SEC. Aaaaand most of the players in the SEC read on a second grade level. Tell the Southerners to wise up a bit.

 

[GEORGIA DOMER]

Hey don't talk about my wifster like that!

 

[Ben E.]

Hey don't talk about my wifster like that!

hahaha wifster! well played...

 

[jdailey1981]

Ok, uncle daddy! Whatever you say

 

[jdailey1981]

The greatest coach in the history of the SEC, Bear Bryant was 0-4 against the Irish. Plus, Notre Dame has a winning record against the SEC. Aaaaand most of the players in the SEC read on a second grade level. Tell the Southerners to wise up a bit.

42-32-5 plus, 5-1 against the Crimson Tide. Under Lou Holtz, at the Dome, the Irish gave Alabama one of the worse beatings they ever took. 37-6....the ONLY undefeated team in the SEC vs ND is Georgia. ND's 2 latest rivals in the SEC would have to be LSU and UT.

 

[jdailey1981]

Of course, the SEC uses the BCS as a crutch, and they will say ND's history doesn't count

 

[hrc08]

Im kinda ashamed of alot of you. Fatness, SAT scores, life expectancy... Really? Somehow I doubt some dumb *** chart is going to explain all of that and why it is. Did any of you ever think that graduation rates and SAT scores are effected more by demographics and government and not geography?

Yes, the south certainly has many issues but come on fellas, have any of you been to Western Pa or some part of New York? Kinda redneck-y up there too. The KKK was founded in Indiana for petes sake. I know 'cause my dad still lives in Wabash.

Its a big country. We have embarrashing parts all over. If you look hard enough you'll probably find some of it in your state.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I think you have told this story before...Wasn't it Justin's Tuck wedding or something?

Yeah, didn't want to name drop LOL. GREAT southern family.

 

[BeauBenken]

Yeah, didn't want to name drop LOL. GREAT southern family.

DUDE.

You know Tuck?

 

[BGIF]

Mississippi is 18th, but only 3% of kids take it.

New York is 46th, but 85% of kids take it.

Make of that what you will.

But I will suggest we consider what the rankings of New York and Mississippi would be if only the smartest 3% of New York high school students took the SAT, and 85% of Mississippi high school students took it.

Moreover, what does a 3% participation rate say about the quality of education???

Absolutely nothing.

In parts of the country more people take the ACT than SAT. Iowa for example probably has a low percentage on the SAT because the ACT is headquartered in Iowa City. Both the ACT and SAT marketed their product aggressively to college admissions personnel to gain market share.

CO, IL, MI, KY, TN, and WY require all high school students to take the ACT to assess high school performance.

The ACT is prevalent in the states in the middle of the country while the SAT is prevalent in the states along both coasts and TX.

 

[k1ssme1m1r1sh]

Sad but true! I am an Indiana native, but live in Tennessee now, and let me tell you, there is not much love for our Irish here. ND fans here are laughed at, and told that ND is no longer relevant....dispite the Irish have a 42-32-5 record against the SEC, including a stellar 5-1 record against the Alabama Crimson Tide (Bear Bryant 0-4 against Irish) but yet, we are laughed at, simply because we haven't played anyone big. Laughing at the fact of losing to Navy, the 2007 bowl where LSU won 41-14.

They say this is "past" but this is the same conference that still brags about a 1-9 bowl game record against Ohio State. All eyes are on Coach Kelly, and I think he had to completely restart the program last season, and look forward to great things this season. Current indications show ND could be ranked around #6 in the nation....I don't think we will get a national championship this season no....but I do think we could get in a great bowl game, against the SEC....and WIN! Nothing would be better than to get revenge on LSU or go for a 6-1 record against Alabama.

The blind SEC only sees in the south, not South Bend....where the Gold Dome holds a winning record against them. Here is the thing to the SEC blind......believe all you want....call us Dunder Domers, the Hail Mary God Squad.....blah blah....fact is, ND is still relevant, and on a return to our former glory, so let the words NOTRE DAME travel through the south, and spread the word.....the Irish are coming, and there is nothing you can do to stop them!

Plus Ara Parseghian said he would love to see ND win another championship before his time comes to leave the earth, so let's give him one!

I'm sorry but am I hallucinating? Did we just devote 6 pages to avenging ND from the frickin frackin VolunQUEERS??? Shite. Hell must've frozen over and I didn't get the memo! The SEC is all a bunch of rednecks and criminals, take it with a grain of salt and get on with it, Lame Kiffin even knew when to get the hell out of the SEC!

 

[BGIF]

Of course, the SEC uses the BCS as a crutch, and they will say ND's history doesn't count

The SEC doesn't use the BCS as a crutch, they use it as a cash cow. The SEC Commissioner in the early 90's Roy Kraner saw the potential of controlling the bowl games. He pioneered Conference Championship Games, splitting conferences into two divisions to influence the polls, and breaking up long standing rivalries to waterdown schedules thus guaranteeing a conference member would make the BCS Championship Game. Kramer also pioneered the conference bowl tie-ins and revenue sharing among conference wealth. Oh and Kramer became the first Commissioner of the BCS.