My opinion for what its worth

[NDinL.A.]

I won't defend their cupcake schedules, but TCU beat a very tough Wisconsin team in the Rose Bowl this year, and Boise State beat Oklahoma in the 2007 Fiesta Bowl. Those two teams have had more recent bowl success than most national programs.

You're making his point for him. He said they were very strong programs that only faced a couple of true challenges a year (i.e. the bowl games). Whereas Oklahoma that year had to play TX, OK St, Oregon, TX Tech, Nebraska, Missouri, etc etc. So they had to bring their A game many, many more weeks than Boise St. But to Boise's credit (and TCU, and Utah, etc), when they need to play big they do. And I think that was his point.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

You're making his point for him. He said they were very strong programs that only faced a couple of true challenges a year (i.e. the bowl games). Whereas Oklahoma that year had to play TX, OK St, Oregon, TX Tech, Nebraska, Missouri, etc etc. So they had to bring their A game many, many more weeks than Boise St. But to Boise's credit (and TCU, and Utah, etc), when they need to play big they do. And I think that was his point.

I was simply addressing his comment about TCU's and BSU's bowl performance:

Why is Boise State and TCU so highly ranked each year? They have strong programs and play lousy schedules. They go 12-0 becuase they only have one or two challenges each year. The rest of the time they play cupcakes. That is also why they get beaten in the bowls quite often. Talent, properly coached, rules the day.

The standard argument is that BSU/ TCU only makes it into the BCS because they play so many cupcakes, and then they get exposed by the national powerhouses that play more serious opposition; but they haven't gotten "exposed" in their recent bowl games, so at least that part of the theory doesn't hold water.

Both teams have at least one BCS win against a serious opponent within the last 5 years (if you count TCU as a serious opponent, BSU has two such BCS wins). I have a hard time seeing that as getting "beaten in the bowls quite often". Most national programs would love to have had that kind of success over the last five years.

How does SoS affect bowl game performance at all? Was Oklahoma tired from playing all those ranked teams in 2006, and they just didn't have enough left in the tank for BSU? SoS definitely impacts the rankings and who eventually gets to a bowl, but I don't see how it means anything for the actual bowl game.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I was simply addressing his comment about TCU's and BSU's bowl performance:



The standard argument is that BSU/ TCU only makes it into the BCS because they play so many cupcakes, and then they get exposed by the national powerhouses that play more serious opposition; but they haven't gotten "exposed" in their recent bowl games, so at least that part of the theory doesn't hold water.

Both teams have at least one BCS win against a serious opponent within the last 5 years (if you count TCU as a serious opponent, BSU has two such BCS wins). I have a hard time seeing that as getting "beaten in the bowls quite often". Most national programs would love to have had that kind of success over the last five years.

How does SoS affect bowl game performance at all? Was Oklahoma tired from playing all those ranked teams in 2006, and they just didn't have enough left in the tank for BSU? SoS definitely impacts the rankings and who eventually gets to a bowl, but I don't see how it means anything for the actual bowl game.

Just a thought, but if Boise St. (gotta admit I like them) and TCU played rockem sockem every week, they may not even have a chance to play the big game.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

couple things to clarify.

1. my bad on KAP...thought he was a 3star.

2. I wasnt saying we dont need to get 4-5star talent, bc we do and it leads to getting better players. i was stating id rather a lesser known kid that actually wants to be at ND and will leave it out there each snap, rather than having a highly ranked kid who is going to not work as hard/play as hard/kid who doesnt want to be at ND. Not going to name names but we have had many 4-5 star kids who didnt give a **** about ND or football in general.

3. The kids in the 2011 class are EXACTLY how championship teams are built. Elite talent with kids that wont see the field for 2/3 years but their practice habits will make them into a great starter/player for the year they do get to play.

4. One of the kids in the 2011 class told me this .... he wasnt concerned about PT, that if he got PT it was deserved from practice and he wants to get better himself as well as making others better. If he got a championship and never played in 4-5 years he be fine with it bc he improved someone better than himself to succeed. now from a 18 yr old...that says a LOT about the kids we are getting. can u imagine any kid from the 07-08-09 class saying that coming in?

5. I dont want to have people jump off bridges but its nice to not have *******s post to just post bc they pay to post like some other boards lol.

6. check out the facebook page...got a lot of quotes from the 2011 class on their in tbe discussion board. The Turning Point 2011 is the page!!

 

[TheTurningPoint]

ps.... Boise st and tcu beat the crap out of teams they are supposed to beat the crap out of. we arent there yet.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

ps.... Boise st and tcu beat the crap out of teams they are supposed to beat the crap out of. we arent there yet.

Yeah, but they don't play a quality team every week. Put them in SEC or PAC12 or BigWhatever, and let's see what happens.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

ND doesnt play good team every week either yet we arent destroying teams. all their kids act like they want to be there . thats the diff. they get fired up for all the games, ND gotta prove they can get fired up for Army/Tulsa/Uconn/Syracuse.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Yeah, but they don't play a quality team every week. Put them in SEC or PAC12 or BigWhatever, and let's see what happens.

TCU will be in the Big East soon enough, and they're expected to dominate that conference.

Boise State (81) and TCU (76) weren't far behind some of the national programs in SoS. Ohio State (70) and Wisconsin (66) both play in the BigWhatever, finished in the top 12, and had comparable SoS.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

ND doesnt play good team every week either yet we arent destroying teams. all their kids act like they want to be there . thats the diff. they get fired up for all the games, ND gotta prove they can get fired up for Army/Tulsa/Uconn/Syracuse.

Says who? Your analysis of good teams? Give Boise St. the ND schedule on TV every week and let's see how they do. My hypothetical vs. your hypothetical. D1 teams can circle the game vs ND.

Have I mentioned I like Boise St.?

I have witnessed both BS and TCU play and was super impressed. Level playing field will never happen.

 

[IrishLax]

TCU will be in the Big East soon enough, and they're expected to dominate that conference.

Boise State (81) and TCU (76) weren't far behind some of the national programs in SoS. Ohio State (70) and Wisconsin (66) both play in the BigWhatever, finished in the top 12, and had comparable SoS.

The Big East is easier than the conceived MWC with Boise, TCU, BYU, Utah... by a lot. Too bad the Pac 12 and TCU had to go screw everything up.

 

[STLcardz-NDirish]

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I seriously tear up sometimes when I think about how big it was to see that blocked punt.

That game may have been the game to return us to glory.

Tushay buddy. Tu****ingshay

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Yeah it is my opinion my man.....Purdue/BC/WMU/Army are not good teams. Sure Boise St/TCU dont play the best competition. I didnt deny that. I said the difference between Boise/TCU and ND is that they get kids that believe they should win and want to play football. You dont randomly keep beating legit teams in bowl games without having kids that want to play.

You can easily tell that a lot of the kids we have watched play didnt want to be at ND. Didnt want to play football. Were more concerned with academics/girls/rapping/life outside of ball and didnt put time into football. Im def not saying that they have to be only focused on football, but when you have kids that dont even wanna be on the field...theres a problem. When kids let their teammates down theres not dedication. hopefully that is done with with the Kelly regime.

 

[aubeirish]

And there is the argument that it is harder to win at ND every week because we are, for the most part, everyone's biggest game on the schedule.

 

[IrishLax]

And there is the argument that it is harder to win at ND every week because we are, for the most part, everyone's biggest game on the schedule.

Which is totally true. Hell, Navy busted out a completely different offense for our game last year that we had ZERO film on because they saved it for our game. Go figure.

 

[jmurphy75]

i know that it goes unsaid alot and may not be cosidered important but for all of the reasons that people come up with on how it's harder for ND, like recruits being held to higher standards, we're everyones biggest game, ect...I've always held close to the thought of our fans for the most part being part of the ND family. I was brought up on ND football as were most of you and I like to think that we have a leg up on other fam bases. We all have a history with ND, some went there, some didn't, some have amazing family memories about ND Saturdays with grandparents and parents. All and all I think most of us genuinly care about the program and players for our own reasons.....I think that;s what makes our fans special, and I think that is one of the things Kelly is teaching these players. We support them with all that we have and they are starting to believe that they are no longer just a team...they are part of a legacy, and they are supported by fans across the USA young and old alike. It's about becoming the best they can be for ND, themselves and us fans. I like the way the mentality of this program is evolving, if for nothing else the players are giving everything they have for the guys next to them, on the field. It's become a family/team first program.....on a side note I was drinking again tonight and apologize if I didn't covey my feelings appropriately.

 

[aubeirish]

i know that it goes unsaid alot and may not be cosidered important but for all of the reasons that people come up with on how it's harder for ND, like recruits being held to higher standards, we're everyones biggest game, ect...I've always held close to the thought of our fans for the most part being part of the ND family. I was brought up on ND football as were most of you and I like to think that we have a leg up on other fam bases. We all have a history with ND, some went there, some didn't, some have amazing family memories about ND Saturdays with grandparents and parents. All and all I think most of us genuinly care about the program and players for our own reasons.....I think that;s what makes our fans special, and I think that is one of the things Kelly is teaching these players. We support them with all that we have and they are starting to believe that they are no longer just a team...they are part of a legacy, and they are supported by fans across the USA young and old alike. It's about becoming the best they can be for ND, themselves and us fans. I like the way the mentality of this program is evolving, if for nothing else the players are giving everything they have for the guys next to them, on the field. It's become a family/team first program.....on a side note I was drinking again tonight and apologize if I didn't covey my feelings appropriately.

Very true... Brian Kelly gets it.

 

[BeauBenken]

I have to say, watching this team...nay, program...go through it's toughest times has certainly only helped the team and it's fans too.

 

[irishtrain]

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I seriously tear up sometimes when I think about how big it was to see that blocked punt.

That game may have been the game to return us to glory.

I just buckled my chin strap.

 

[GBdomer]

everyone owes me a beer for bringing turning point to irish envy.

 

[BeauBenken]

everyone owes me a beer for bringing turning point to irish envy.

You brought him here?

For some reason, I doubt.

 

[GBdomer]

You brought him here?

For some reason, I doubt.

he will tell you who showed him the site.I know who he is. But your right i would just make up something stupid like this.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

everyone owes me a beer for bringing turning point to irish envy.

So who is this TurningPoint that many seem to be saying:allhail:


No offense intended at all against TurningPoint. Send me a link to your site. I am intrigued now. I am a fan of any fan of ND.

As far as gurus go heck, even coaches are surprised many times when their third stringer gets in and outplays the starter. Anyone claiming to "know" everything about the game I think is full of poopoo. Granted there are those who are more studied and can offer perhaps a more educated "guess," but bottom line, you still need to play the game. Who thought BC was going to beat ND in 93? Or that Syracuse was going to beat ND a couple years ago? That App. St. was going to beat Michigan?

Who thunk Rees would finish undefeated?

 

[GBdomer]

So who is this TurningPoint that many seem to be saying:allhail:


I'm a bit wary of any self proclaimed guru. Heck, even coaches are surprised many times when their third stringer gets in and outplays the starter. Anyone claiming to "know" everything about the game I think is full of poopoo. Granted there are those who are more studied and can offer perhaps a more educated "guess," but bottom line, you still need to play the game. Who thought BC was going to beat ND in 93? Or that Syracuse was going to beat ND a couple years ago? That App. St. was going to beat Michigan?

Who thunk Rees would finish undefeated?

couple fellas got a major bromance crush.

 

[IrishLax]

he will tell you who showed him the site.I know who he is. But your right i would just make up something stupid like this.

lol

 

[Sherm Sticky]

everyone owes me a beer for bringing turning point to irish envy.

Honestly I had a feeling it was you who showed him the site...We know about your facebook stalking lol j/k

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Start breaking recruiting news and I'll flirt with you too, GITF.

In fact, I'll send you a Shake Weight and a case of Smirnoff Ice as soon as you share your first scoop with the board.

I'd actually prefer wine coolers and an ab lounge... It's already beach season and I am still carrying the winter pounds in my waist.

I'll just bribe Epitome with with false promises and have him PM a scoop before he posts it on the board.

Mine as well order that ab lounge now... I hear they are on back order.

 

[BeauBenken]

he will tell you who showed him the site.I know who he is. But your right i would just make up something stupid like this.

Sorry, this is another case of me jokingly busting balls gone wrong. lol

I actually figured you probably did seeing as you're pretty active among the recruit guys on this site. And because you wouldn't have any reason to really make it up so...lol gez, I was having the worst luck last night.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Props to GB Domer...he did tell me that Irish Envy was a legit site.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Props to GB Domer...he did tell me that Irish Envy was a legit site.

Legit?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Props to GB Domer...he did tell me that Irish Envy was a legit site.

Haha told you he was a stalker...I kid I kid