TX Institutional Control

[IrishLax]

Texas Football And Institutional Control | Recruitocosm

Stole this from Domer Domain. Absolutely great read.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Saw this on ISD...fantastic read. A bit too "Texas" for me, as he ignore their extensive arrest records for the team that won the Rose Bowl over USC, but other than that, excellent article and a must-read...

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Good read, but this article will reek of irony if Texas is the next domino to fall for one reason or another.

 

[phork]

Nice fluff piece but buddy was a third rate second teamer. While I might use this article and change the names to make it an ND article. This by no means makes me believe that Texas is all warm and cuddly and doesn't bend or break the rules. I have suspicions that stuff happens in all programs. Its just too rampant to discount. And while I have no proof of anything at ND or other schools, I simply cannot discount the possibility that it happens.

The fact that this guy played on special teams in a limited role says to me that he had no idea how the other half lived.

 

[IrishLax]

Nice fluff piece but buddy was a third rate second teamer. While I might use this article and change the names to make it an ND article. This by no means makes me believe that Texas is all warm and cuddly and doesn't bend or break the rules. I have suspicions that stuff happens in all programs. Its just too rampant to discount. And while I have no proof of anything at ND or other schools, I simply cannot discount the possibility that it happens.

The fact that this guy played on special teams in a limited role says to me that he had no idea how the other half lived.

Yeah, ND's compliance department is incredibly similar to what he described here, but I still venture that you could hypothetically commit violations. But if anyone did, I never saw it. It would have to be something incredibly incidental, like a fan picking up a tab for dinner. No way the shenanigans (8 expensive cars coming from no money? Seriously?) of OSU could plausibly go unnoticed by a compliance department that gave half a sh!t.

I think this article is great because it explicitly demonstrates how a culture of compliance is fostered. It's really not rocket science, it's about giving a good faith effort. I think the author did a great job of articulating his experiences and why colleges that give the "see no evil" defense are basically full of ****. The only thing I don't think a University can control are rogue "boosters" who might act on their own agency before a kid steps on campus and discretely funnel non-obvious benefits to parents, etc.

 

[BGIF]

... I think this article is great because it explicitly demonstrates how a culture of compliance is fostered. ...

Kudos to UTx for what they have in place now but what "fostered" UT's Compliance Program was 2 years of NCAA probation and the loss of 10 scholarships. I lived in Texas at the time and they (and most of the SWC) got off relatively cheaply.

TEXAS GETS 2-YEAR PROBATIONAP
Published: June 18, 1987

The University of Texas football program was placed on a two-year probation today by the N.C.A.A. because of rules violations over the past several years.
Texas joined three other Southwest Conference schools on probation -Southern Methodist, Texas Tech and Texas Christian.
Of the nine Southwest Conference schools, only Rice and Arkansas are not either on National Collegiate Athletic Association probation or under investigation.
The penalties against Texas would reduce the number of football scholarships in 1988-89 from 25 to 20, and would reduce the number of recruiting visits from 95 to 75.
Bowl and television appearances were not affected by today's action. Possible Reduction
A report by the N.C.A.A.'s Committee on Infractions said the probation could be reduced to one year if the university complies with changes the school proposed at a hearing before the committee on June 3.
''The N.C.A.A. has conducted a professional investigation and we are pleased that the process is now complete,'' William Cunningham, the university's president said, adding that the decision would not be appealed.

TEXAS GETS 2-YEAR PROBATION - NYTimes.com

 

[IrishLax]

Kudos to UTx for what they have in place now but what "fostered" UT's Compliance Program was 2 years of NCAA probation and the loss of 10 scholarships. I lived in Texas at the time and they (and most of the SWC) got off relatively cheaply.



TEXAS GETS 2-YEAR PROBATION - NYTimes.com

Oh absolutely. Everyone knows how bad the whole SWC during the Pony Express era. Hell, UT was one of 6 schools that voted against the "repeat violator" provision with Alabama, SMU, A&M and I forget who else.

But regardless of what "fostered" the change in UT's culture, it sure seams (if you take this guy at his word) that they give a good faith effort these days to keep the program clean. And I'll applaud that... until Wetzel or someone else drops a bomb on them lol

 

[BGIF]

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But regardless of what "fostered" the change in UT's culture, it sure seams (if you take this guy at his word) that they give a good faith effort these days to keep the program clean. And I'll applaud that... until Wetzel or someone else drops a bomb on them lol

Agreed.

Scipio Tex stepped up but he also laid down the glove ala Gary Hart. Challenge the media to find the Monkey Business and ofttimes they do.

 

[GainesvilleIrish]

Great read. Thanks for posting. Gives a bit of an inside track to what actually goes on for a major program. Props to Texas for doing it [mostly] the right way .

 

[Rhode Irish]

So if this guy has any credibility, then The University of Texas is not the "ten."

 

[rikkitikki08]

Loved the article, i like the jabs he takes at the SEC

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Auburn or another S1E0C team.

 

[BGIF]

So if this guy has any credibility, then The University of Texas is not the "ten."

... unless there are events more current than the author. He noted HE was beyond the statute of limitations.

 

[phork]

So if this guy has any credibility, then The University of Texas is not the "ten."

Never say never.

 

[Rhode Irish]

... unless there are events more current than the author. He noted HE was beyond the statute of limitations.

True, but if what this guy is saying is true, there is a "culture" of compliance at Texas that would be likely to remain from one team to the next.

I'm glad to read this "insider" account of the Texas football program, because Texas is one of the few non-ND programs in the country that I actually like and respect. I don't want to see them go down USC/tOSU style. But it is also not exactly proof-positive that Texas does everything above board. Its just one (presumably biased) person's account, and I take it with a grain of salt. Still, the writer clearly was convinced of the Longhorn's innocence, so I'll take that for what its worth.

If there really is a "10" out there, I hope its in the SEC. At least one (semi-pro) football program in that dirty, backward conference deserves to go down.

 

[BGIF]

... Still, the writer clearly was convinced of the Longhorn's innocence, so I'll take that for what its worth. ...

Mrs. Dahmer and Mrs. Madoff are still convinced of innocence. Hell, Bernie past lots of SEC investigations. (Sometimes Iit seems like both SECs operate with the same ethics and incompetence.)



Kudos again to UTx.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Mrs. Dahmer and Mrs. Madoff are still convinced of innocence. Hell, Bernie past lots of SEC investigations.

Agreed. That is why I take it with a grain of salt. But I think it would have been hard to find a former Buckeye with equivalent intelligence and background that would have been willing to put his name on a similar piece.

 

[Rhode Irish]

So if this guy has any credibility, then The University of Texas is not the "ten."

I'm not saying this is a smoking gun or anything, but some of these comments by Colt McCoy's wife give the impression that Texas is at least not "squeaky" clean. Nothing here is super-scandalous, but she seems pretty aware that kids were getting certain perks from boosters, and she was obviously pretty close to that program.

 

[phork]

The unfortunate aspect is that you are always clean until you get caught.

PS: the next story about to break is the WVU story where apparently Mr. Stewart and his wife have been leaking some bad stuff about Holgersen..

 

[IrishLax]

There is a big difference between cars and a free meal. You CANNOT police a free brat or burger. You really can't police whether someone going hunting or fishing is a violation either. Hell, my uncle and cousin this past year went hunting with Blaine Gabbert... if he didn't pay for gas is that a violation? If someone buys a shot for a football player in a bar is that a violation? It's a very grey/hard to police area.

I think the key thing to focus on is whether you're giving a good faith effort or not to catch what you can. USC did not. OSU did not. Texas, if you believe what this kid says, does.

 

[Rhode Irish]

the next story about to break is the WVU story where apparently Mr. Stewart and his wife have been leaking some bad stuff about Holgersen..

If you consider SBB a legit news operation, that story has already broke. Ugly. Not only were Mr. & Mrs. Stewart spreading (possibly untrue) gossip about Holgorsen, but Mr. Stewart was apparently soliciting WVU beat reporters to write hatchet jobs about Holgorsen. Definitely a messed up situation.

Stewart Asked Reporter to Smear Holgorsen

Also, I noticed that SBB also has a story up about McCoy's wife now. McCoy's wife: Longhorns Didn't Tell Agents No