Tom Lemming released his first Top 100 Recruits of 2012

[sportallyr]

Here is the Max Preps link:

Tom Lemming unveils 2012 Top 100 - MaxPreps News

No surprise, Dorial Green-Beckham is #1.

Tee Shepard is #35 and the last 5 star

Other notable ND recruits on the list are:

5 Stars:
#2 Gunner Kiel
#4 Noah Spence
#10 Barry Sanders
#12 Zach Banner
#17 Andrus Peat
#24 Keith Marshall
#26 Ron Darby
#30 Zeke Pike
#32 Arik Armstead

4 Stars:
#41 Jordan Diamond (mislabeled as a LB...that would be one monster LB...lol)
#46 Tommy Schutt
#66 Pat Destefano
#70 Cyler Miles
#81 Jordan Payton
#90 Yuri Wright

Great to see so many 5 star guys that are high on ND. I know it's early, but this could be another special class!

 

[IrishInColumbus]

Okay Mauk < Kiel. There is simply no way you do not take Gunner if he wants to be Irish. There is no way!

EDIT: hahaha at 2:00 after hours of math my brain melted. KIEL < MAUK.

 

[HoosierIrish]

getting gunner has to be a good selling point to DGB too

 

[irishbird]

let hope thing start roll after blue and gold game

 

[BGIF]

Okay Mauk > Kiel. ...

Is this New Math?

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I know Kelly believes in taking 1 QB a year... But

Do you think it is possible that ND allow both Kiel and Mauk to come? And then skip on a QB the year after?

I definetly think Gunner is the better prospect, but Maty seems to be a Kelly QB...

And most importantly, if ND were to get both signal callers, Michigan would miss out on both

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Armstead is the #1 prospect for Scout and 247 and Lemming has him #32? Sanders rated higher than Marshall?

 

[Kingbish01]

I have seen Rushel Shell play a few times in Pittsburgh. He has been killing it since he was a freshman. He is the nephew of Tony Dorsett. Word is he will end up at PSU. I would love to see ND get on this kid, he is a baller.

 

[Irish Fam]

I know Kelly believes in taking 1 QB a year... But

Do you think it is possible that ND allow both Kiel and Mauk to come? And then skip on a QB the year after?

I definetly think Gunner is the better prospect, but Maty seems to be a Kelly QB...

And most importantly, if ND were to get both signal callers, Michigan would miss out on both

IMO there is a scenario in which we could take both. For instance, if Mauk commits early and we are able to land prospects at DT, WR, OL, and especially RB before Kiel is ready to commit, I could see us continuing to recruit Kiel with one of the last spots in the class.

 

[OchoShayneO]

lemmings gave tee that last five star spot. shocker

 

[Sherm Sticky]

lemmings gave tee that last five star spot. shocker

Haha so true.

 

[IrishLax]

For what it's worth, reading around the interwebz there is some interesting stuff about Mauk. Some people from Kenton insist he is more athletic than Ben but that Ben was much more accurate on his long ball. There also seem to be questions about Maty's maturity and the arrogance of his family.

We'll see what happens but I think both have significant upside. Mauk seems like a great fit for Kelly's offense and Kiel seems like an overall stud of a prospect. If only they could've been born one year apart...

 

[aubeirish]

I think that for perception, it would be better to have Kiel verbally committed than Mauk. Just to attract the top prospects... In reality, the skill sets of both those aren't that far away.

 

[irish4ever]

I believe that if the Irish get Mauk first, Kiel goes elsewhere. With the current QB's on board, surely both won't sign. I don't think getting Mauk in llieu of Kiel would be an issue when you consider how much Rees progressed throughout last year under Kelly's tutelage!

 

[SLCIRISH]

I believe that if the Irish get Mauk first, Kiel goes elsewhere. With the current QB's on board, surely both won't sign. I don't think getting Mauk in llieu of Kiel would be an issue when you consider how much Rees progressed throughout last year under Kelly's tutelage!

Mauk would be the best fit, then they could redshirt him. I have said this more than once, there isnt a QB out there that will see the field (Barring a serious injury bug), for at least 2 years, maybe three, what we already have is going to be more than enough, recruit a mid level QB, develope him, (Mauk).

Does having a 5 star QB help recruiting? Maybe, if this were BYU or Boise State. The product that is going to be on the field this year will be what gets these kids to sign. When those recruits see the way ND plays, even after the Blue/Gold game, they will fall like dominos.

 

[OchoShayneO]

stockpile talent at qb. never a bad idea

 

[woolybug25]

Mauk would be the best fit, then they could redshirt him. I have said this more than once, there isnt a QB out there that will see the field (Barring a serious injury bug), for at least 2 years, maybe three, what we already have is going to be more than enough, recruit a mid level QB, develope him, (Mauk).

Does having a 5 star QB help recruiting? Maybe, if this were BYU or Boise State. The product that is going to be on the field this year will be what gets these kids to sign. When those recruits see the way ND plays, even after the Blue/Gold game, they will fall like dominos.

I will just use the same response that I had on this before:

Sorry homie, but I completely disagree with you. Once Crist graduates or gets hurt again, Gunner would be the likely successor. He is unanimously the best QB recruit in the country. If Crist performed and kept his job, he would likely get a fifth year. Once he graduated, Gunner would be a redshirted freshman ready to start. As much as I like Hendrix and Golson, I would be shocked if they got the gig over a prospect of Gunner's pedigree.

I would also add, a kid as highly regarded as Gunner, would eventually start at damn near every school in the country. Assuming that one of the 4* recruits with no game experience would overtake him would be asinine.

Former #1 QB recruits (per Rivals)
- Jeff Driskel
- Jake Heaps
- Garrett Gilbert
- Terrell Pryor

See a common theme? All became starters early. Gunner will be no different.

 

[beryirish]

Can we expect ESPN and Rivals to have their rankings out soon? OR do they usually take their time before they release them?

 

[SLCIRISH]

I will just use the same response that I had on this before:

I have a different response this time, I just watched their respective highlight films and I am sorry but Gunner is no better than either Golson or Hendrix.

 

[woolybug25]

I have a different response this time, I just watched their respective highlight films and I am sorry but Gunner is no better than either Golson or Hendrix.

Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I assure you that you are in the minority on that. Gunner is the highest rated QB by EVERY recruiting service. He is a top 5 player overall in the class.

Neither Golson or Hendrix were top 10 talents at QB in their class. I am not ripping them, and hope they each have success, but if they were on another team you would feel different. Gunner is closer to Clausen, Barkley, Gabbert, Prior, etc in hype.

 

[NDinFL]

Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I assure you that you are in the minority on that. Gunner is the highest rated QB by EVERY recruiting service. He is a top 5 player overall in the class.

Neither Golson or Hendrix were top 10 talents at QB in their class. I am not ripping them, and hope they each have success, but if they were on another team you would feel different. Gunner is closer to Clausen, Barkley, Gabbert, Prior, etc in hype.

This is true...

at the same time though, let's say that we do get Gunner as the #1 HIGH SCHOOL Talent...

he still has to come in and learn Kelly's system, the same system in which Golson and Hendrix already have considerable more time in.

I won't argue that Gunner may be more talented, but I disagree with the thought of him coming in and starting over either of those two at any given time.

 

[SLCIRISH]

This is true...

at the same time though, let's say that we do get Gunner as the #1 HIGH SCHOOL Talent...

he still has to come in and learn Kelly's system, the same system in which Golson and Hendrix already have considerable more time in.

I won't argue that Gunner may be more talented, but I disagree with the thought of him coming in and starting over either of those two at any given time.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[woolybug25]

This is true...

at the same time though, let's say that we do get Gunner as the #1 HIGH SCHOOL Talent...

he still has to come in and learn Kelly's system, the same system in which Golson and Hendrix already have considerable more time in.

I won't argue that Gunner may be more talented, but I disagree with the thought of him coming in and starting over either of those two at any given time.

That was never what I was saying either. What I said was that if Crist stays healthy and keeps his role, then he will most likely come back for a 5th year. If that is the case, and if we landed Gunner, then once Crist leaves, Gunner would be a redshirted freshmen. He would have over a year of practicing the system and nearly the same amount of game experience as Hendrix/Golson (zero). This would leave him, in my opinion of course, in a position to be the likely successor.

Now, someone is going to pipe up with the "lets let him get to college before annointing him the starter". To that, I say that you cant annoint Hendrix/Golson over him then. Neither have stepped on the field either. I would also add (as I previously did) that QB's of his pedigree ALWAYS play early. Go through all of the #1 QB's over the last decade and you will see that trend holds true. History would be on his side.

 

[NDinFL]

Fair enough,

I just disagree.... I mean I get what you're saying about the pedigree thing....

As far as Crist 5th year/Gunner getting redshirted and a year of practice... Wouldn't that just mean that Hendrix/Golson also get another year of practice?

 

[woolybug25]

Fair enough,

I just disagree.... I mean I get what you're saying about the pedigree thing....

As far as Crist 5th year/Gunner getting redshirted and a year of practice... Wouldn't that just mean that Hendrix/Golson also get another year of practice?

Indeed it would, but Hendrix most likely would still not have stepped foot on the field during a game. Golson may have limited experience in packages or because of injury, but only a season more of practice. That is not much of a difference. It's not like Gunner would be stepping in off of the couch, he would have been in the system for over a year.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Something else to keep in mind in this discussion, Kelly only wants to work with 4 QB's. Who would be the odd man out? Rees? Golson? If we land either Mauk or Kiel, we will likely see either a current QB switching to another position (i.e. Massa) or transferring out to another school. I also wonder how much the current depth chart weighs into the decision making process of QB's considering ND. I can't imagine there is as much depth at scUM or some other schools that these guys are considering.

 

[SLCIRISH]

Indeed it would, but Hendrix most likely would still not have stepped foot on the field during a game. Golson may have limited experience in packages or because of injury, but only a season more of practice. That is not much of a difference. It's not like Gunner would be stepping in off of the couch, he would have been in the system for over a year.

Why dont you think Hendrix will even see the field? The guy has all the tools and the body. He also ran the spread in high school, I dont think Gunner does.

Golson is the wild card, if his cannon of an arm and athletism carry over into college, and he grasps the playbook, quickly, and stays healthy, he could be the best of the bunch.

 

[NDinFL]

Why dont you think Hendrix will even see the field? The guy has all the tools and the body. He also ran the spread in high school, I dont think Gunner does.

Golson is the wild card, if his cannon of an arm and athletism carry over into college, and he grasps the playbook, quickly, and stays healthy, he could be the best of the bunch.

I'm a Hendrix fan, but I completely agree with your comments about Golson...

 

[irish4ever]

Something else to keep in mind in this discussion, Kelly only wants to work with 4 QB's. Who would be the odd man out? Rees? Golson? If we land either Mauk or Kiel, we will likely see either a current QB switching to another position (i.e. Massa) or transferring out to another school. I also wonder how much the current depth chart weighs into the decision making process of QB's considering ND. I can't imagine there is as much depth at scUM or some other schools that these guys are considering.

How certain are you that Crist even comes back for a 5th year. If he has to endure another 'major' injury sometime this year, he may say "enough is enough". Nobody knows at this juncture what's going to happen. Let the chips fall as they may.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

How certain are you that Crist even comes back for a 5th year. If he has to endure another 'major' injury sometime this year, he may say "enough is enough". Nobody knows at this juncture what's going to happen. Let the chips fall as they may.

Not certain at all, rather I was furthering the discussion in which Crist was part of the mix. If he has a healthy and productive year and does come back for a 5th year we would be looking at the scenario that I wrote. I agree w you if he is hurt again or he is unproductive and falls down the depth chart this year, it may become a non issue as coach may elect not to provide a 5th year. No Guarantees.