Ohio State joining Oregon in hot water?

[Rocket's Rocket Fan]

I agree, this excuse has got positive results with regards to the NCAA in the past, why not apply it here???

ignorance is bliss

Only problem is JT father has passed away, but I guess the NCAA wouldn't be able to prove him wrong then.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

If kids chose to still pick OSU with all this going on.... then good.

That's not a RKG is.

 

[phork]

There was a couple of scandals at Youngstown St. while he was there as well. tOSU knew about them and built in those exclusive clauses into his contract.
The bad part for tOSU is that the feds were investigating this tattoo guy and asked the university if the memorabilia he was given was indeed from those players involved. It would be interesting to see if there might be some point shaving or some other insidious action.
The bad part for us is if someone like Urban Meyer takes over.

 

[Rocket's Rocket Fan]

It sound like POSu is having some kind of presser tonight at 7 with JT, the AD, and some other higher ups. FWIW

Here is the article.

Ohio State calls news conference amid report Jim Tressel knew of violations - ESPN

 

[delt1147]

I love this. The city of Columbus is freaking out. I just love this. I hate Buckeye fans.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

2 game self imposed suspension for Tressel. They are self reporting a major violation to the NCAA. Who knows how long it will take.

 

[Ironman8]

2 game suspension for Tressel.

Plus a $250,000 fine.

 

[IrishLax]

2 game suspension for Tressel.

.... good effort OSU, the NCAA is going to hit you harder. You don't lie to the "police" and get away with it.

 

[Ironman8]

I think he is trying to get off veryyyyyy easy here considering he deliberately withheld information from the NCAA regarding these violations. Justice not yet served.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

I think he is trying to get off veryyyyyy easy here considering he deliberately withheld information from the NCAA regarding these violations. Justice not yet served.

They are hoping the NCAA will go with it and accept the self imposed penalty. My guess is no. Can someone recall where they let someone off with only self imposed restrictions?

 

[A Pac]

This is ridiculous. He should get no worse than a 2 game Big Ten suspension.

 

[IrishMoore1]

OSU's Self report:

https://www.nmnathletics.com//pdf8/745702.pdf?ATCLID=205112065&SPSID=87743&SPID=10408&DB_OEM_ID=17300

 

[GreatGolson]

^so he KNOWINGLY violated his contract? i dont know about anyone else, but that would get me fired..

 

[irish1958]

I would fire anybody in my business who knowingly ignores my contractual code of ethics and then lies about it.

 

[IrishLax]

I would fire anybody in my business who knowingly ignores my contractual code of ethics and then lies about it.

What if they were the most important employee, you thought they were irreplaceable without setting your company back years, and were under serious outside pressure from 'investors' to keep them?

I think I would suspend them without pay to send a message and pray it doesn't happen again... which is effectively what the AD has done. I think the NCAA is going to absolutely drop the hammer on the Buckeyes.. it's only a matter of time.

 

[GreatGolson]

you can remove the question mark in the title, tressel's emails got leaked. This guy is gone

 

[BGIF]

What if they were the most important employee, you thought they were irreplaceable without setting your company back years, and were under serious outside pressure from 'investors' to keep them?

I think I would suspend them without pay to send a message and pray it doesn't happen again... which is effectively what the AD has done. ...

You'd suspend them without pay but keep using them. You've got a future in the Southeastern Conference or Big 10. Jim Delany would be proud.

Would you have him run the stadium steps as well or would that be too harsh?


There is a parallel with Tressel's situation with Gene Stallings at Alabama and the Antonio Langham situation. The player details are dfferent but in both cases the head coach played a player(s) that should have been ruled ineligible. OSU's AD Gene Smith apparently did not take part in the ruse unlike the NCAA's finding with Bama's Hootie Ingram. That may spare the OSU program from the severity of Bama's sanctions.

 

[laservet]

I'm all for busting cheaters, and I would go so far as banning those who diminish the integrity of the sport for life. But I have to admit that I am a little uncomfortable with the tone being taken (in the yahoo and cft stories and on this board) that regards this story as being a major scandal. I'm sure the NCAA views it as a major infraction. And I know that part of what makes ND great is that we don't participate in the shenanigans of college football, and so our fans rejoice when another program is busted for cheating.

Still, I have a problem with the NCAA's tendency to enforce its draconian rules that govern silly situations instead of hammering those that hand over bags full of money to recruits' family and coaches. How dumb is it that these poor kids can't sell their swag or trade it for things they want? They are indentured servants, basically prohibited from earning money while the schools and the NCAA itself get rich.

If I were a college student and I did a summer internship at an investment bank and they gave me an ipad and some other stuff in lieu of paying me, and as a result I had no money, you can bet your *** I would be selling all the crap they gave me so I could get things I actually wanted or needed. And nobody would lose their job over it or ever hear another word about it.

I think its ridiculous that what these kids did even violated a rule, so it's hard for me to get all bent out of shape about the fact that their coach may have looked the other way. If he looked the other way when a booster gave a kid's father a Ford Explorer or his H.S. coach a duffel bag with $50K in it, then ban his *** for life. But this just seems like a trivial matter to me, and I'd rather see them go after serious violations.

I know as a ND fan I should be happy that one of the football factory schools that has no admission standards and doesn't graduate enough football players may be facing some penalties. And I would be, if I thought that what they were getting penalized about was actually cheating. There must be actual cheating going on at one of these football factories. I wish the NCAA would spend its time worrying about that.

One problem with that is the players didn't just sell their own property, they stole and sold university property for their own gain. Not the same thing at all.

 

[tadman95]

SI's Stewart Mandel's take. He's not buying it.

There's no buying Jim Tressel and Ohio State's defense for coach's NCAA violation - Stewart Mandel - SI.com

 

[irish1958]

What if they were the most important employee, you thought they were irreplaceable without setting your company back years, and were under serious outside pressure from 'investors' to keep them?

I think I would suspend them without pay to send a message and pray it doesn't happen again... which is effectively what the AD has done. I think the NCAA is going to absolutely drop the hammer on the Buckeyes.. it's only a matter of time.

That is a good question. Does one do what is right or do we engage in situational ethics. That is an issue that one has to live with.
As an aside, remember that the NCAA suspended Des Bryant for an entire season for lying to the NCAA, but counted that as using his eligibility, thereby terminating his college career.
And he didn't do anything illegal or unethical, but was confused about NCAA rules.
As for Tressel's suspension. It is for the first two games which are at home against Akron (4 and 6) and Toledo (8 and 5). I am not sure, but I don't think this will make him miss two weeks of practice.
About the $250,000 fine. For someone who is making several million o dollars a year, and who has been making several million a year for several years, I don't think he will be hurt very much by this.
How can the NCAA drop the hammer on Bryant for what he did, and not penalize Tressel?

 

[IrishLax]

You'd suspend them without pay but keep using them. You've got a future in the Southeastern Conference or Big 10. Jim Delany would be proud.

Would you have him run the stadium steps as well or would that be too harsh?

Settle down there big fella. I'm just saying if I was in the AD's shoes I would probably have doled out a similar punishment because going any harsher would really upset the people who control the purse strings... and those people control my job.

Whether you find that 'ethical' or not doesn't really matter to me... I think it's a pragmatic solution for a man in the AD's situation where no action will appease everyone. And at the end of the day, it just doesn't really matter because it's the NCAA that is going to lay down the law.

 

[Riddickulous]

you can remove the question mark in the title, tressel's emails got leaked. This guy is gone

Doubt it.

 

[delt1147]

Emails were NOT leaked. They were passed out at the presser by OSU to the media.

 

[clashmore_mike]

Emails were NOT leaked. They were passed out at the presser by OSU to the media.

Not sure if they were leaked to Yahoo! or not, but at least the idea that there were emails were leaked to Yahoo!, which is how the whole thing came out.

 

[delt1147]

Not sure if they were leaked to Yahoo! or not, but at least the idea that there were emails were leaked to Yahoo!, which is how the whole thing came out.

Yahoo was waiting for the emails. They had a source besides the emails. Their public information request had not been filled by OSU yet. Channel 10 in Cbus was the first to post them on the net right before the presser. They were given to them by OSU.