#8/7 Irish @ #16/16 Connecticut 2 PM EST

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Just to clarify I believe Hansbrough is the Big East (BE) POY not the national. Yes I believe Kemba has a better overall game but we all know the POY awards do not go to the guy who is the best basketball player, it goes to the MVP of one of if not the top teams in any given league. If UCONN had won more of the close games then yes I would have said Kemba.

 

[UPMich_NDfan]

Explain to me how UConn benefited from the officiating please? Because a group of Notre Dame basketball fans didn't like two fouls called on their star player? That's pretty natural. Other than that, what is your gripe?

UPMICH_ND FAN writes: I felt the game was called in favor of UConn simply for the fact that they let them use their strength and physicality on D and hand check, bump, contest shots with body while on the other end ND was getting nailed for trying to do the same thing(I thought the no call when Atkins went to the hole and got nailed by three players, then got box out to the ground before he could land from his shot was a perfect example, Walker is shooting 2 there no question-Brey went wild also). Could it be a homers point of view...sure?! I thought the last play on Ben was def. a offensive foul. I didn't like the call where Walker ran into him, I don't fault Walker for trying to draw the foul, but it was clear he initiated the contact and the official needs to be better than that, especially when it looked as if he saw the whole thing happen.

As for my love for UConn basketball, I went to the university. Ive played with some of the schools best in recent history. It's something I will never forget and that's what my attraction is.

I've been a ND football fan ever since I was five years old and saw my first football game. Notre Dame vs Boston College. That's my attraction to ND football. ND football is nationally televised, not ND basketball. I also love ND basketball so don't get that confused. It's a game twice a year that I love to watch because I have such a deep interest in both teams.
Also, I'm not the only Husky bball fan/irish ftball fan in this community my man.

I respect that. People always ask me how I can like ND, NYY, and the Bulls...when I"m from Michigan, I've got a reason for all!

 

[johnnykillz]

Im hoping we can talk about Irish wins in the latter months of the year as well. September-December talks of Irish wins will make me very happy as well.

We will my friend. We will.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

OK my ND buddies. You are all welcome. I very conveniently chose not the watch the game. It was an extreme sacrifice, but one I had to make, for the sake of ND and it's fandom. I even turned off the comp, but I just finished reading every damn post in this thread. OH heck, I hope I didn't jinx them... Dammit....

NDOM almost nailed the exact score. lol.

As far as loyalties to other schools/teams, since I spent most of my youth in the southwest (I am a gypsy, but not a carni...big hands, big feet, long beautiful golden brown locks...I'm so sexy...what were we talking about?) my passion is anything ND, but I am also a huge UTEP fan (loved and met Don Haskins). Also root for New Mexico St. and the NM Lobos when they are not playing UTEP. Always HATED BYU. Bunch of 25 year old friggen crybaby prima donnas. (No offense to Latter Days or anyone, that was just my little boy E-Vile fandom coming through. No pun intended by using the word "coming...")

Given that the 2 NM schools were the 2 worst teams in football this past season, and UTEP remains schizophrenic, it's a good thing ND is my passion.

SirDishands, your lawn is safe tonight. Please don't do outdoor cartwheels tonight. Stay safe. Protect the hands.

 

[irishfan]

Hansbrough is POY. Walker shoots WAY more often. Nearly 200 more shots this year. Also shoots only 42% from the field and Ben shoots 48%.

 

[dshans]

SirDishands, your lawn is safe tonight. Please don't do outdoor cartwheels tonight. Stay safe. Protect the hands.

I'm not worried. I'm neither inclined nor able to do cartwheels in my yard. There are about 3 feet of snow covering it – and the bottom 6 inches are a typical seasonal glacier.

I thank you for not watching the game. You done good. Stay safe. Protect the hooves. They may be worth their weight in glue and gelatin.

 

[General Colon Bowel]

So, with Duke and Purdue losing today, and BYU getting whooped and looking like a completely different team earlier in the week, DO yall think there's any chance we jump to #4 and grap a #1 seed?

 

[BGIF]

So, with Duke and Purdue losing today, and BYU getting whooped and looking like a completely different team earlier in the week, DO yall think there's any chance we jump to #4 and grap a #1 seed?

Two of the three ESPN guys do, bald headed black guy and Gottlieb. Bald guy made the case for ND as the last #1 while Gottlieb though it would be between ND and UTX.

 

[military_irish]

Two of the three ESPN guys do, bald headed black guy and Gottlieb. Bald guy made the case for ND as the last #1 while Gottlieb though it would be between ND and UTX.

that bald headed guy is Jay Williams I believe, but I like the name you use a little better. Bald Headed Guy!!! first middle and last name

 

[irishfan]

Great to be mentioned among #1 seed debate. I really think OSU and Kansas are locks at this point barring anything crazy. I think besides that it is down to Pitt/Duke/ND/Texas/BYU in that order. I like to think BYU and Texas will get beaten in their tourneys and wont have an impressive win along the way meaning it could be up to us to advance further than Pitt or Duke.

 

[BGIF]

that bald headed guy is Jay Williams I believe, but I like the name you use a little better. Bald Headed Guy!!! first middle and last name

Thanks for the name. I'm not a frequent ESPN viewer. Turned it on to catch the other scores and they started talking about ND. I listened for the name but never caught it. I googled Williams and his photo looks like the guy except Williams wasn't bald in the photo. The photo had very close cropped black hair. Perhaps his forehead "grew" since the photo.

 

[sportallyr]

Two of the three ESPN guys do, bald headed black guy and Gottlieb. Bald guy made the case for ND as the last #1 while Gottlieb though it would be between ND and UTX.

I think that, if ND gets to the final game in the Big East Tourney, they will get a #1 seed regardless whether they win or lose the game. If they lose early, they'll be a #2 seed.

 

[BGIF]

I think that, if ND gets to the final game in the Big East Tourney, they will get a #1 seed regardless whether they win or lose the game. If they lose early, they'll be a #2 seed.

I think Jay Williams said the same thing. I don't see how ND moves up without beating Pitt. If the teams ahead of ND lose and then ND loses also that's status quo.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I'm not worried. I'm neither inclined nor able to do cartwheels in my yard. There are about 3 feet of snow covering it – and the bottom 6 inches are a typical seasonal glacier.

I thank you for not watching the game. You done good. Stay safe. Protect the hooves. They may be worth their weight in glue and gelatin.

I peed.

 

[Irish Man3]

Hansbrough is POY. Walker shoots WAY more often. Nearly 200 more shots this year. Also shoots only 42% from the field and Ben shoots 48%.

That 6% difference should certainly seal the deal. He shots more often because he has to. Look at the roster difference when it comes to experiance. I think Ben has a good a chance as Kemba to win it but your reason doesn't really point to anything.

 

[irishfan]

That 6% difference should certainly seal the deal. He shots more often because he has to. Look at the roster difference when it comes to experiance. I think Ben has a good a chance as Kemba to win it but your reason doesn't really point to anything.

I mean, I think its pretty telling that Hansbrough is that much more efficient. 6% on FG percentage is pretty big. Their 3 pt percentages are also way in Ben's favor. Walker and Hansbrough are both the clear leaders of their team. Walker took an inexperienced team and did some impressive things with them. They did however only finish 9-9 in the Big East and the #9 team. They were projected for 10th. They overachieved no doubt, but not by much. Hansbrough took his teams to lengths no one projected. I think everyone agrees that the individual stats are comparable. Walker's ppg is higher, but I also pointed out how much more often he shoots. I think it has to come down to the team success in this one, and it really is not close.

 

[BGIF]

What is the POY?

The best player? The most valuable player? The best leader? Like the Heisman the actual qualifications means different things to different people.

In this discussion IM3 claims the better shooting average isn't significant because Walker plays on a less talented team. Seems like only Saturday evening he was claiming that UConn had an awesome team. Which is it?
Ben has a better assist record but I guess we're going to hear that because like his shooting average it's because he had better teammates to pass to.

In the Gameday thread when Ben got his 5th foul on a bonehead play I conceded the POY to Walker in a post as he was in a position to decide the game. With the game on the line he could score the winning points while he chief competitor sat on the bench - disqualified due to a serious mental error.

Interesting thing happened. Walker didn't win the game with the Big East's only unanimous First Team Selection out for the last 8-1/2 minutes.

From the play by play, Ben fouled out at with 8:34 left.
At 8:19 Walker hit a 3 pointer to put his team down 5.
At 7:19 Walker made a layup again putting his team down 5.
At 6:50 Walker got a Defensive Reb
At 6:46 he converted that Reb into 2 pts to put his team down 1. (The clutch stuff that POY's do.)
At 5:00 Walker hit another deuce putting his team up by 3.
A4 4:31 Walker got another Defensive Reb.
At 4:27 he convetered that one into another deuce putting his team up 5 (and wrapping up the POY, so I thought)

Guess what he did in the last 4:26 of the game.

3:25 Walker missed a jumper with his team up by 2.
2:33 Walker missed a layup with the score tied.
0:22 Walker missed a floating jump shot with his team down by 2.
0:16 Walker missed a 3 pt jumper.
0:08 Walker got a Defensive Reb with his team down by 3. Nash missed the 2nd free throw that would have iced the game.

So what did Walker do with that Reb. Keep in mind he converted 2 rebs into 5 pts after Ben went out and he's the best player/shooter on his team?

Did Walker drive to the basket and pickup up a foul or put up a 3 pt jumper to tie the game?

No, he pased to Donnell Beverly who fumbled the pass and time expired as the loss ball rolled on the floor with no shot taken.

Beverly had 2 pts in 11 minutes of play shooting 1-2 from the floor with no 3 pt attempts. For his career Beverly average 1.5 pts.

Ben made a bonehead play with the dumb foul forfeiting the POY race.

Walker the game on the line, with his team up 2 pts with 3:25 remaining Walker missed 4 straight shots and then left the put the final play of the game in a 1.5 career pt player.

POY's take the shot and make it. Walker took the POY and handed it back to Ben.



BTW, correct me if I'm wrong but the don't the Big East coaches vote the POY?

The same coaches that just voted Ben the only unanimous player on the Big East's First Team.

 

[military_irish]

What is the POY?

The best player? The most valuable player? The best leader? Like the Heisman the actual qualifications means different things to different people.

In this discussion IM3 claims the better shooting average isn't significant because Walker plays on a less talented team. Seems like only Saturday evening he was claiming that UConn had an awesome team. Which is it?
Ben has a better assist record but I guess we're going to hear that because like his shooting average it's because he had better teammates to pass to.

In the Gameday thread when Ben got his 5th foul on a bonehead play I conceded the POY to Walker in a post as he was in a position to decide the game. With the game on the line he could score the winning points while he chief competitor sat on the bench - disqualified due to a serious mental error.

Interesting thing happened. Walker didn't win the game with the Big East's only unanimous First Team Selection out for the last 8-1/2 minutes.

From the play by play, Ben fouled out at with 8:34 left.At 8:19 Walker hit a 3 pointer to put his team down 5.
At 7:19 Walker made a layup again putting his team down 5.
At 6:50 Walker got a Defensive Reb
At 6:46 he converted that Reb into 2 pts to put his team down 1. (The clutch stuff that POY's do.)
At 5:00 Walker hit another deuce putting his team up by 3.
A4 4:31 Walker got another Defensive Reb.
At 4:27 he convetered that one into another deuce putting his team up 5 (and wrapping up the POY, so I thought)

Guess what he did in the last 4:26 of the game.

3:25 Walker missed a jumper with his team up by 2.
2:33 Walker missed a layup with the score tied.
0:22 Walker missed a floating jump shot with his team down by 2.
0:16 Walker missed a 3 pt jumper.
0:08 Walker got a Defensive Reb with his team down by 3. Nash missed the 2nd free throw that would have iced the game.

So what did Walker do with that Reb. Keep in mind he converted 2 rebs into 5 pts after Ben went out and he's the best player/shooter on his team?

Did Walker drive to the basket and pickup up a foul or put up a 3 pt jumper to tie the game?

No, he pased to Donnell Beverly who fumbled the pass and time expired as the loss ball rolled on the floor with no shot taken.

Beverly had 2 pts in 11 minutes of play shooting 1-2 from the floor with no 3 pt attempts. For his career Beverly average 1.5 pts.

Ben made a bonehead play with the dumb foul forfeiting the POY race.

Walker the game on the line, with his team up 2 pts with 3:25 remaining Walker missed 4 straight shots and then left the put the final play of the game in a 1.5 career pt player.

POY's take the shot and make it. Walker took the POY and handed it back to Ben.



BTW, correct me if I'm wrong but the don't the Big East coaches vote the POY?

The same coaches that just voted Ben the only unanimous player on the Big East's First Team.

Ben was actually out from around the 12 minute mark with his 4th foul, then came in and 10 seconds later he fouled out. So I personally would say he was out for over 12 mins of the second half.

But I can't compete with the rest of your analysis, it is spot on.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I took a nap somewhere twixt that time. Did something happen in the Mid-East? Gas is getting very expensive. I like watermelon. And good peaches.

 

[Irish Man3]

What is the POY?

The best player? The most valuable player? The best leader? Like the Heisman the actual qualifications means different things to different people.

In this discussion IM3 claims the better shooting average isn't significant because Walker plays on a less talented team. Seems like only Saturday evening he was claiming that UConn had an awesome team. Which is it?
Ben has a better assist record but I guess we're going to hear that because like his shooting average it's because he had better teammates to pass to.

In the Gameday thread when Ben got his 5th foul on a bonehead play I conceded the POY to Walker in a post as he was in a position to decide the game. With the game on the line he could score the winning points while he chief competitor sat on the bench - disqualified due to a serious mental error.

Interesting thing happened. Walker didn't win the game with the Big East's only unanimous First Team Selection out for the last 8-1/2 minutes.

From the play by play, Ben fouled out at with 8:34 left.
At 8:19 Walker hit a 3 pointer to put his team down 5.
At 7:19 Walker made a layup again putting his team down 5.
At 6:50 Walker got a Defensive Reb
At 6:46 he converted that Reb into 2 pts to put his team down 1. (The clutch stuff that POY's do.)
At 5:00 Walker hit another deuce putting his team up by 3.
A4 4:31 Walker got another Defensive Reb.
At 4:27 he convetered that one into another deuce putting his team up 5 (and wrapping up the POY, so I thought)

Guess what he did in the last 4:26 of the game.

3:25 Walker missed a jumper with his team up by 2.
2:33 Walker missed a layup with the score tied.
0:22 Walker missed a floating jump shot with his team down by 2.
0:16 Walker missed a 3 pt jumper.
0:08 Walker got a Defensive Reb with his team down by 3. Nash missed the 2nd free throw that would have iced the game.

So what did Walker do with that Reb. Keep in mind he converted 2 rebs into 5 pts after Ben went out and he's the best player/shooter on his team?

Did Walker drive to the basket and pickup up a foul or put up a 3 pt jumper to tie the game?

No, he pased to Donnell Beverly who fumbled the pass and time expired as the loss ball rolled on the floor with no shot taken.

Beverly had 2 pts in 11 minutes of play shooting 1-2 from the floor with no 3 pt attempts. For his career Beverly average 1.5 pts.

Ben made a bonehead play with the dumb foul forfeiting the POY race.

Walker the game on the line, with his team up 2 pts with 3:25 remaining Walker missed 4 straight shots and then left the put the final play of the game in a 1.5 career pt player.

POY's take the shot and make it. Walker took the POY and handed it back to Ben.



BTW, correct me if I'm wrong but the don't the Big East coaches vote the POY?

The same coaches that just voted Ben the only unanimous player on the Big East's First Team.

Younger team is what I said. I think UConn is a more talented team. If you'd like to find a post where I said anything different, I will apologize, but since you've called my out, a rebuttal is necessary. I don't really give a **** either way who wins player of the year in the conference. If Ben wins it then I can see the argument for that, and I feel the same way in Walker's case. However, throwing out one statistic which favors Ben and saying that should be the reason for him to win, is looking at it through Irish glasses. The fact is, statistically Kemba Walker or the kid from Providence should win. If you look at it from a leader standpoint, Walker or Ben should be the front runners. It's all a matter of how the coaches vote on it and what they look at when doing so.

 

[ep1987]

Big East Stats

ND 14-4
UCONN 9-9

Hansbrough Walker

20.7 PPG (3rd) 21.7 PPG (2nd)

.509 FG% (10th) .395 FG%

.430 3P% (8th)
.849 FT% (5th)

4.3 APG (12th) 4.5 APG (9th)

1.6 SPG (9th) 1.7 SPG (8th)

2.4 TO 1.8 TO

1.8 A/TO (14th) 2.5 A/TO (2nd)

3.3 Def Reb 4.0 Def Reb (15th)

36.7 MPG (4th) 38.9 MPG (1st)

 

[Irish Man3]

ND is #4 in new poll. Awesome

 

[BGIF]

Younger team is what I said. I think UConn is a more talented team. If you'd like to find a post where I said anything different, I will apologize, but since you've called my out, a rebuttal is necessary. I don't really give a **** either way who wins player of the year in the conference. If Ben wins it then I can see the argument for that, and I feel the same way in Walker's case. However, throwing out one statistic which favors Ben and saying that should be the reason for him to win, is looking at it through Irish glasses. The fact is, statistically Kemba Walker or the kid from Providence should win. If you look at it from a leader standpoint, Walker or Ben should be the front runners. It's all a matter of how the coaches vote on it and what they look at when doing so.

My apolgoies. He plays on a "more talented", "younger" team. I won't ask why he shoots so much if he has all the talent as it doesn't matter anymore.

Hansbrough is The Big East POY!

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