Is anyone else really miffed and pissed off at basketball rankings?

IrishLax

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Duke hasn't beaten a single top 25 team besides UNC. Texas has 5 losses... three of which to teams not projected in the tournament field. I just heard an analysts say they could still be #1 seeds. Along with apparently Purdue who only has two top 25 wins.

Yet here is Notre Dame without any bad losses... the same record in the loss column as Purdue and Texas... and SIX wins over top 25 competition and we're #9 and in line for a #3 seed.

And don't even get me started on SDSU... who has only played two games against a ranked team (BYU) and has lost each by double digits. Pathetic.
 

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Yeah i agree. But listening to dookie v you'd think they were the greatest team to walk the face of the earth. Not really sure the Heels deserve a shot to play them next Saturday
 

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Duke hasn't beaten a single top 25 team besides UNC. Texas has 5 losses... three of which to teams not projected in the tournament field. I just heard an analysts say they could still be #1 seeds. Along with apparently Purdue who only has two top 25 wins.

Yet here is Notre Dame without any bad losses... the same record in the loss column as Purdue and Texas... and SIX wins over top 25 competition and we're #9 and in line for a #3 seed.

And don't even get me started on SDSU... who has only played two games against a ranked team (BYU) and has lost each by double digits. Pathetic.

I dislike Dook as much as the next guy but let me offer a bit of rationale for the tongue wagging in their direction...Dook is 26 & 3 with wins ofer Michigan State, Marquette, K State, Butler, UNC & FSU. Add to that, the fact that they started the season highly ranked all that equals a #1 seed.

As for Texas, they are 24 & 5 with wins over Illinois, UNC, MSU, T A & M, Kansas, Oklahoma & Baylor.

Question for you, without bias, do you think ND would beat Purdue, SDSU, Dook or Texas? Not sure I know what my answer is but they'd probably be 4 tough games.
 

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I dislike Dook as much as the next guy but let me offer a bit of rationale for the tongue wagging in their direction...Dook is 26 & 3 with wins ofer Michigan State, Marquette, K State, Butler, UNC & FSU. Add to that, the fact that they started the season highly ranked all that equals a #1 seed.

As for Texas, they are 24 & 5 with wins over Illinois, UNC, MSU, T A & M, Kansas, Oklahoma & Baylor.

Question for you, without bias, do you think ND would beat Purdue, SDSU, Dook or Texas? Not sure I know what my answer is but they'd probably be 4 tough games.

Not sure where you going with this, but if its where i think you are its a Horrible example. I know UNC could beat ND head to head, but do I think UNC should be ranked higher then ND? Hell no. Same goes for BYU and SDSU. But UNC doesn't deserve to be ranked ahead of them right now
 

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I dislike Dook as much as the next guy but let me offer a bit of rationale for the tongue wagging in their direction...Dook is 26 & 3 with wins ofer Michigan State, Marquette, K State, Butler, UNC & FSU. Add to that, the fact that they started the season highly ranked all that equals a #1 seed.

As for Texas, they are 24 & 5 with wins over Illinois, UNC, MSU, T A & M, Kansas, Oklahoma & Baylor.

Question for you, without bias, do you think ND would beat Purdue, SDSU, Dook or Texas? Not sure I know what my answer is but they'd probably be 4 tough games.

Baylor is not even projected to be in the tournament at this point. MSU is a #11 seed and, with a loss in their next game, will probably miss the tournament. Butler is a #11 seed. KSU and FSU are projected #9 seeds. Oklahoma isn't going to be in the tournament. Marquette is the #11 team in the Big East. Illinois is a #10 seed.

So yeah, I'll give you Kansas, A&M and UNC as quality wins. But the other wins are trash really. And Texas has lost to some BAD teams. Like Depaul and USF level bad.

My point is less that ND is "better" than them.. it's more that they are all overrated and haven't beaten anyone and ND is winning a ton of really big games and getting no credit. Right now I would take ND against Duke, Purdue, Texas and SDSU on a neutral court 10/10 times. Texas is very vulnerable (see 0-2 vs. Big East and losses to NEBRASKA, COLORADO and USC), Duke just kinda sucks in general besides Nolan Smith, Purdue is tough but not great and SDSU would be somewhere around the #8-11 team in the Big East.

It's just so f*ing annoying listening to this schmuck on TV right now talk about Texas getting back to being a #1 seed with 5 losses and three of them to teams who aren't even going to make the tournament. Ugggggggggggggggh.

Way too much sports rage for this time at night.
 

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Not sure where you going with this, but if its where i think you are its a Horrible example. I know UNC could beat ND head to head, but do I think UNC should be ranked higher then ND? Hell no. Same goes for BYU and SDSU. But UNC doesn't deserve to be ranked ahead of them right now

Perhaps I phrased my question poorly then (a few whiskeys and beers on a Saturday night can have that effect on a man). I wasn't asking for ranking purposes I was asking the question out of curiousity for the peoples.

Sorry nothing malicious meant by it or poorly drawn conclusions.

Also, didn't ask about UNC or BYU.
 

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Perhaps I phrased my question poorly then (a few whiskeys and beers on a Saturday night can have that effect on a man). I wasn't asking for ranking purposes I was asking the question out of curiousity for the peoples.

Sorry nothing malicious meant by it or poorly drawn conclusions.

Also, didn't ask about UNC or BYU.

Ok. And to answer your question yes they definately could

Ummm was just citing examples
 

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22 points to Marquette qualifies as a bad loss. They're a solid team, but thats a wide margin.


If we beat Nova and UConn we'll be top five/six, which is about right.
 

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We're a projected 2 seed with all the losses this week to higher ranked teams.

And honestly Lax, it's really not much to get worked up over. The difference between a 2 and a 3 seed is minimal - what's more important is where you are playing and who is in your bracket. I've seen 2 seeds get absolutely screwed b/c their bracket was insane and 4 seeds coast to the elite eight b/c their bracket was easy and they played close to home the whole time.

Also, IMHO everything will work itself out in the next 2 weeks w/ the final regular season games and the BE tournament. After 30 some-odd games, I think ND will get the seed they deserve. I just hope their bracket doesn't contain an early match-up nightmare for ND...
 

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We're a projected 2 seed with all the losses this week to higher ranked teams.

And honestly Lax, it's really not much to get worked up over. The difference between a 2 and a 3 seed is minimal - what's more important is where you are playing and who is in your bracket. I've seen 2 seeds get absolutely screwed b/c their bracket was insane and 4 seeds coast to the elite eight b/c their bracket was easy and they played close to home the whole time.

Also, IMHO everything will work itself out in the next 2 weeks w/ the final regular season games and the BE tournament. After 30 some-odd games, I think ND will get the seed they deserve. I just hope their bracket doesn't contain an early match-up nightmare for ND...

Yeah, Like not being able to win the first round games. All of our losses this year we have scored in the 50's and pretty much got blown away in all of them except 1 I believe and they were away from ND. I'm still not sold on this team for some reason. I think ranking wise we are right around where we should be. The difference between a #2 and #3 is pretty insignificant anyway.
 

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ND has to: a]. be healthy; b]. avoid a team full of giant size [i.e. twin towers]; and c]. have Abromaitis shooting well. If so, and Ben doesn't get hosed by the refs, I say bring 'em on!! We have one of the smoothest operating five-man-clockwork mechanisms I've seen for a while.
 

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Yeah, Like not being able to win the first round games. All of our losses this year we have scored in the 50's and pretty much got blown away in all of them except 1 I believe and they were away from ND. I'm still not sold on this team for some reason. I think ranking wise we are right around where we should be. The difference between a #2 and #3 is pretty insignificant anyway.

NDOM not sold on ND. Broken, meet record.

Just sayin'.
 

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Question: Where the hell did San Diego State come from in both football and basketball. Granted, the town of San Diego is a great selling point, but...hmmmm.

I choose to think that the University is doing things right. They always been solid, more or less...

But...hmmmm....
 

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^they must be the program the 'secret' investigation is looking into. not being a homer at all but I believe we could beat any team this year. could, not will. there are always so many upsets in the tourney. with the right bracket we could easily end up in the final 4, but if we run into teams with length i think it could be trouble.
 

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Question: Where the hell did San Diego State come from in both football and basketball. Granted, the town of San Diego is a great selling point, but...hmmmm.

I choose to think that the University is doing things right. They always been solid, more or less...

But...hmmmm....

Their bball coach was the one who coached the Fab Five, but I think they're doing everything legit. He's been there a while and has slowly built them up. They have amazing facilities, and really haven't gotten any stud recruits, more or less hidden gems. And in football, they just had a great coach. TCU's football coach Patterson has always told his players that playing SDSU is not like playing any other Mountain West team, becuase they've always had more talent. Just weak coaching until recently.
 

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Their bball coach was the one who coached the Fab Five, but I think they're doing everything legit. He's been there a while and has slowly built them up. They have amazing facilities, and really haven't gotten any stud recruits, more or less hidden gems. And in football, they just had a great coach. TCU's football coach Patterson has always told his players that playing SDSU is not like playing any other Mountain West team, becuase they've always had more talent. Just weak coaching until recently.

Yeah, like I said, I think they are legit, and kinda rooting for them. Nah, they are my Cinderella team. But first is ND.
 
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Question: Where the hell did San Diego State come from in both football and basketball. Granted, the town of San Diego is a great selling point, but...hmmmm.

I choose to think that the University is doing things right. They always been solid, more or less...

But...hmmmm....
HOF Marshal Faulk is their selling point lol
 

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Their BBall coach is Steve Fisher, who was Eldon Miller's assistant coach at WMU when I came to campus---adequate ball player in the prof's noontime game but not real hot. When he got hired at Michigan, I was surprised as he wasn't impressive at WMU. Bill Frieder was their coach.

When Frieder jumped to Arizona State for the big bucks, Schembechler uttered the famous "Michigan is going to be coached by a Michigan Man!!!" and thus began that particular form of nonsense. Fisher stepped into the HC job for the NCAA tournament, and stood meekly on the sidelines while a great guard led a veteran team to a championship. Fisher had very little to do with that.

But the first example of the Bill Stewart Phenomenon then occurred. Fan hysteria created Administrational hysteria and Fisher was named head coach officially. People who knew at least squat universally felt that this was a colossal screw-up [just like folks following WVU felt about hiring Bill Stewart---most of you know that Bill Stewart is a family friend, so it pains me to be saying this].

Fisher masked his incompetence because Juwan Howard did him a lifetime favor. He signed with Michigan and immediately campaigned to recruit two of his [AAU, I believe] teammates, Jalen Rose and Chris Webber---Webber was the number one target in the whole country, a bit of an immature jerk at the time, but a real problem for opponents. They'd already added two above average players from Texas, so it was the Fab Five. Webber et al were almost impossible to deal with as you know, and Michigan rolled until Webber, then Rose and Howard left early for the NBA.

Fisher building on this facade of greatness, continued to get top of the line recruits, but it became increasingly obvious that it was his limited ceiling coaching that was slowly deteriorating the chances for a return to a final four. Ultimately, he got his walking papers. This probably occurred just as he was about to emerge as a mature coach.

Perhaps he has bounced through the profession long enough that he really knows what he's doing; perhaps he's just doing the thing that he was always fairly good at--recruiting. He was always a pretty nice guy at WMU, and so I hope he's matured as a coach and is no longer the guy the players just called "Fish" instead of "Coach".
 
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No. It was surprising but the MWC is a really, really good conference this year. 4th best in the nation. Also Notre Dame's non-conference was terrible as usual.

Georgia, Cal, Wisconsin, Kentucky, Gonzaga. Terrible???? Umm ya, not quite.
 

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SDSU has a better SOS than Notre Dame.

Yes, according to a computer formula. Not according to common sense and looking at the actual schedule. I've debated this idea with IL/ESPN minds in the lacrosse world for hours on end around selection time for that sport and at the end of the day we agreed it just comes down to a choice of trusting: A) flawed human perception, B) a really basic and flawed formula or C) a blend of both. Almost everyone agrees on a healthy blend of both... and here's to hoping the selection committee this march does a fair job seeding us.

Anyways, I got my brief rage at Gottlieb (sp?) out of my system. The beauty of the tourney is that everyone who gets in gets a shot. Just hoping for opening round games in Chicago so I can see them while visiting over St. Patties.
 

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I just look at it as Notre Dame has played 8 current ranked teams and San Diego St. has played 1 (twice) and lost both times. Where as ND has won 6 of the 8.

I just look at the product on the court and the Big East has an all around great conference. On a side note though, I will not take anything away from San Diego St. they have only lost 2 games, which no matter who you are can be tough. But I don't think they should be ranked where they are, maybe it's a way to make college basketball more exciting. "an unknown" being ranked so high. But come tourney time, we shall see who really has the best team, including ND. That is the gut check time.
 
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