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There's some word going around that there may be a couple position changes next year, one of which may be Theo Riddick back to RB.. Anyone know more about this, and sorry if I'm repeating old news here ....

Ps I woukdnt mind it, getting new blood some touches at WR, ( Daniels, Ga3 etc,) and whenever Theo has the ball, I'm excited!
 

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hope not...that would be dumb imo..after spending all of last season at working in at the slot
 

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Where did you hear this? I think there's a snowball's chance in hell of that happening... although after whiffing are Carlisle I guess it is more possible than it was before. RB is a huge need in 2012.
 

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My guess is that the " change " ( if there is one ), would mean Theo being slot WR still, but maybe just getting more touches in addition , ie. Wildcat, like we saw against Miami .....
 

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There's some word going around that there may be a couple position changes next year, one of which may be Theo Riddick back to RB.. Anyone know more about this, and sorry if I'm repeating old news here ....

Ps I woukdnt mind it, getting new blood some touches at WR, ( Daniels, Ga3 etc,) and whenever Theo has the ball, I'm excited!

There has been speculation by fans, but that's it. The RBs improved throughout the season. Riddick is lethal in the slot.
 

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In my OPINION, I have no facts, I could see BK telling Theo to do a little cross training between slot WR and RB. Given that we really only have two RB's with experience going into 2011, he will have Theo studying the RB playbook to be ready.

Cierre is goinig to be expected to carry a serious load with Roberson and Gray sharing second string duties. The challenge will be if Cierre goes down. IF that were to happen, I can see Theo moving to RB full time with someone else like TJ, Toma or an Atkinson taking over at slot.

I know everyone is concerned over RB, but we are in good shape this year and 2012, but we MUST get two studs in the next recruiting class. We have only taken one in each of the last two classes.
 

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Where did you hear this? I think there's a snowball's chance in hell of that happening... although after whiffing are Carlisle I guess it is more possible than it was before. RB is a huge need in 2012.

I heard this based off DaVaris Daniels' formspring... Many people were talking about it ( which obv doesn't make it true) but I guess it was based off a conversation DD had with coach Kelly on the phone, on how they would use him eventho Floyd is coming back ....

Again I d k anything to be fact, I was just wondering if people have heard any of this
 

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It doesn't seem likely that Riddick will move back to running back. I'm sure we'll see a lot of the wildcat with him, particularly early in the season, but Kelly put too much time and effort into molding him as a receiver.

I bet this is about getting him more touches. He was generally ineffective on the few opportunities he had on the jet sweep play. I bet everyone would like to see Riddick bust a couple of those for big gains next year.
 

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Kelly I believe has indicated many times that he sees Theo as the primary "Big Skill" offensive talent on the team, and that means deadly from the slot position. I'd agree that some wildcat is probably in Kelly's mind---Kelly likes to dabble in that and had Armando early and Hughes middle in a "Leprechaun".

I'd like to throw out some completely dreamt up BS here, having no rumors even to back it up. Kelly seems to really want to put some receiving arrays on the field with real height to them. I think that this is why he likes Daniel Smith [at least in part].

When it looked like Mike Floyd might not come back, I wondered what Kelly would do. Could he occasionally flank Eifert out as a big receiver if Welch is good enough?? In other words have a size-heavy receiving package which would amount to an occasional position-shift for Eifert?? As I say, with Floyd back, maybe not needed.

Another very minor position-shift would be if Shembo can't cover, but we want him to pass-rush. Maybe he is a DE a lot next year. We've certainly seen some very good ones who weighed less than he does. Other than those, I can't see what would motivate Kelly to change anything position-wise.

Last thought: we're pretty loaded at linebacker. If we weren't also three-strong at safety, I'd like to see Danny Spond get a shot back there. He's a terrific athlete, very football-smart as far as I've heard, and with a LB mentality to slobberknock the goo out of receivers. Again, this is not even a rumor.
 
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The only reason I see Theo cross training with the RBs is to get a better perspective in case Bk decides to run more of the wild cat/leprechaun offense or whatever its called.
 

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The only reason I see Theo cross training with the RBs is to get a better perspective in case Bk decides to run more of the wild cat/leprechaun offense or whatever its called.

Our version of the wildcat is not impressive and rarely productive. AA had some success, but it was painful to watch this past year. I think it will improve, but there is no threat of passing out of this formation and predictable. I think we'll be throwing a lot next year, and would like to see Theo in the slot.
 

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Our version of the wildcat is not impressive and rarely productive. AA had some success, but it was painful to watch this past year.
Very true. The only time I saw it work this past season was during the Miami game and even then it was pretty shaky.

I think it will improve, but there is no threat of passing out of this formation and predictable.
I am sure he will RS but Golson has the potential to run it :whoknows:

I think we'll be throwing a lot next year, and would like to see Theo in the slot.

You are probably right, I think we shall see more of Kellys fast break on turf offense than this past seasons iteration. Though I would love to see him keep the balanced attack.
 

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Looks like there may have been more then we thought to the question i posted a few days ago... Kelly spoke about possibly moving him back to RB (Theo).
 

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Rb is prolly much easier to learn plus he has experience back there and it is more natural...definitely makes things very competitive with Wood for the spring.

Theo at the slot gets 5-8 touches a game

Theo at RB 10-15. A sound argument for making the switch.
 

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Rb is prolly much easier to learn plus he has experience back there and it is more natural...definitely makes things very competitive with Wood for the spring.

Theo at the slot gets 5-8 touches a game

Theo at RB 10-15. A sound argument for making the switch.

does that mean you move Floyd to RB too so he can get more touches? Theo is an NFL caliber slot receiver!
 
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I don't see the reason to move Theo back with no injuries. Wood is clearly the starter right now. Why would you take such a great player off the field for depth at RB?
 

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I posted this in another thread, but I hope that we can keep Riddick at Slot WR. He is so much more valuable there.

That said, I see the rationale of trying to get him the ball more. Don't forget....when Tim Brown and the Rocket were here. They were used all the time in the backfield.
 

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For historical context, Ricky Watters was moved to the slot (Tim Brown's) position during the 1988 national championship season and led the team in receiving. The next year, with Brooks suspended, Watters was moved back to RB and helped lead a potent running attack with Tony Rice.

I will defer to BK on what he thinks is best for the team. Riddick is a special talent either at WR or RB, and will have a huge impact next year wherever he lines up.
 

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BK mentioned that it not all the qbs would get reps and that "one of the options" would be a position change. Who else could potentially play another position besides Golson?
 

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BK actually said this in a interview, guys. It's not just "speculation". And given the inconsistant play at RB, I wouldn't be suprised if they tried him out. Riddick is great in the slot, very shiftty and can turn a 5 yard loss into a TD...But doesn't that make for a nice RB as well?? And FYI, Riddick doesn't have the best hands in the world.

I don't think it's far fetched or ridiculous that it's being kicked around.
 

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BK mentioned that it not all the qbs would get reps and that "one of the options" would be a position change. Who else could potentially play another position besides Golson?

He mentioned that 4 QB's will be worked with, and he said we can "read the tea leaves" as to who that would be. IMO, it would seem obvious the 4 QB's will be Crist, Rees, Hendrix, and Golson. BK didn't recruit the heck out of Golson to switch him to another position or sit him on the back burner in favor of Nate or Massa. That would leave Massa in a position where he would have to attempt to play another position, wait it out, or possible transfer. He is 6'4 and a former starter on the basketball team, but as to whether he is athletic enough to realistically compete at another position, I have no idea.
 

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BK actually said this in a interview, guys. It's not just "speculation". And given the inconsistant play at RB, I wouldn't be suprised if they tried him out. Riddick is great in the slot, very shiftty and can turn a 5 yard loss into a TD...But doesn't that make for a nice RB as well?? And FYI, Riddick doesn't have the best hands in the world.

I don't think it's far fetched or ridiculous that it's being kicked around.

Umm... he had a ridiculous one handed grab against MSU and I can't remember many drops....
 

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I would love to see Wood and Riddick in the backfield together. I don't think this will take away from Wood's PT much. He moved Riddick to the slot in the first place to help make room for Wood. This offense has little to no explosiveness without Riddick getting touches, so this is probably just a way to do that more.
 

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Watch at 1:46. I can't find any good Theo Riddick highlight compilations... but he is electric as a WR.
 

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Umm... he had a ridiculous one handed grab against MSU and I can't remember many drops....

I've seen him drop quite a few. Ones right in his hands. Unfortunately, I can't prove any of this with any hard stats, but I have seen it.

Besides, Floyd and Daniels on the outside and TJ Jones in the slot. Maybe mix in some Deion Walker if he's up to the task
 

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He mentioned that 4 QB's will be worked with, and he said we can "read the tea leaves" as to who that would be. IMO, it would seem obvious the 4 QB's will be Crist, Rees, Hendrix, and Golson. BK didn't recruit the heck out of Golson to switch him to another position or sit him on the back burner in favor of Nate or Massa. That would leave Massa in a position where he would have to attempt to play another position, wait it out, or possible transfer. He is 6'4 and a former starter on the basketball team, but as to whether he is athletic enough to realistically compete at another position, I have no idea.

This.

He specifically mentioned Crist, Rees, and Hendrix during the PC. I agree we did not flip Golson to play WR or DB. In Montana's last year he will most likely be the signal caller for plays - I still say crazy use of a scholly when we are going to have to deny 2 of Wenger, Romine, Nuss, and Ragone right now without any more commits. Though if Massa transfers, which we should not hope for because it is unfortunate and as of now merely depth chart speculation, we could take one more or a recruit.
 

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Golson is a QB, that is it. He is fast, but he looks to throw not run and he is pretty light. Not sure he could take a regular pounding at another position

Theo COULD move back to RB, it sounded more like an option than a definite move.
 

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I've seen him drop quite a few. Ones right in his hands. Unfortunately, I can't prove any of this with any hard stats, but I have seen it.

Besides, Floyd and Daniels on the outside and TJ Jones in the slot. Maybe mix in some Deion Walker if he's up to the task

I don't mean to be a hater, but the chances of Deion Walker showing up are about the same of me showing up at a USC pep rally.
 

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or about the same Maurice Stovall ever does something at ND

I'm confused... Stovall was awesome for a year or two right? Are you saying he was a Deion Walker earlier in his career? I guess I didn't follow ND closely enough back then to know he went from not being on the two deep to being a pretty high NFL draft pick.
 
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