im sure he figured him and his brother would be the next "pouncys" not sure of spelling. anyways at 17-18 yrs old you people never waivered with a decision? especially when it comes to family. come on. let me ask this question then why get so excited over someone that hasn't even strapped it up for us yet? we should put in as much time in the development of the currents players then spend so much time debating high school kids. then i have to laugh because the same fans that say "athletes are over paid" are the same ones making huge deals about high school kids. theres a huge difference between a die hard fan and a fanatic. which one are you?
'11 FL OLB/DE Clay Burton (Florida Verbal)
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tadman95
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If Burton did reach out, I can see Kelly declining to re-open the offer but bet he was more tactful than telling him was "no longer welcome".
That sounds cool and tough and principled, but I think Kelly is too good of a coach/teacher to handle it in any way except professionally. Even if we are a little pi**ed off how Burton acted, we still owe it to teach better ways.
That sounds cool and tough and principled, but I think Kelly is too good of a coach/teacher to handle it in any way except professionally. Even if we are a little pi**ed off how Burton acted, we still owe it to teach better ways.
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I don't know, Kelly comes off to me as a no bull**** kinda guy.
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If kelly politely said, "hey clay, you lied to us and dropped us. we've moved on with our plans and those plans no longer include you. best of luck." I LOVE IT
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BK is smart enough to say it PC...however same effect..you had your shot-- lets us BOTH move on. Good luck...
On the gridiron ND has been playing second fiddle to many, for years. I understand that many people see it as a betrayal...he lied...he isn't an RKG.
Here is my take.
I was born in LaPorte, was raised with ND football. I did not attend the institution, I hold Notre Dame in very high regard for more than their football tradition. Notre Dame graduates its players, keeps its players out of trouble...teaches kids to become productive members of society. Notre Dame teaches more than book knowledge, it teaches boys to become men. Burton may have been dishonest, may have led the coaching staff on...Notre Dame can teach this kid how to better handle these situations. He made a poor choice, every single person on here has done that at one time or another. People on this board make claims that Notre Dame changes a man, I've only been there once and came back the same perhaps you need to attend school; if Notre Dame is everything I think it is, then it is just what Clay Burton needs. Let the school and program make him a better man, and if ND wins a couple more games because of it...BONUS.
Just my take.
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Here's my take ...
Diss me once, shame on you. Diss me twice, shame on me. Burton, you had your chance .... SEE YA'! Stay down south and play for Free Shoes University!
great point^^^ some of those kids may offer more as in flexibility position or scheme.
point taken vvv
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mgriff
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It's not shunning, it's holding a young man accountable for his actions, something that is in short supply these days.
It isn't about him making a mistake, it's the complete disregard for anyone but himself that he displayed during the process.
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Very good post. I agree that it is more important for ND to hold themselves to a higher standard. We want kids who want to be ND men and it sets a strong precedent for the future. If a girlfriend were to cheat on you would you take her back? Of course not. Because doing so would make you a doormat for her and any girl that would come after. The appropriate course of action is to more on to her best friend, not for spite but to set a standard. And if knowing she is sitting at home alone on a friday night brings you some measure of pleasure, well so be it.
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I'm not sure what you're arguing. Are you saying that ND is out of line for revoking his scholarship offer?
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Very speculative. A poster cited a personally reliable source that told him Burton reached out to BK after Urban stepped down. Who knows though.
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If there is no link and it hasn't been reported than it is all speculation. If it happened then I respect BK's decision to tell him thanks but no thanks. Notre Dame is not a fall back school. The train is moving and when it is all said and done we will end up with a better OLB then Burton anyway. Ishaq is going to be a monster.
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To your first quote about responsibility: You aren't accountable for your commitment and actions towards other individuals in this world? He showed disregard for a staff who he developed a relationship with them by being disingenuous.
I think I'm one of the more ardent posters about these kids being immature at this age, because I was the same way. That immaturity, however, does not dictate a lack of responsibility. Just because you're an immature kid doesn't mean you aren't held accountable for your actions.
It is absolutely his right to go wherever he wants and commit/decommit from any school he wishes. He does however, regardless of any word you choose to describe him, have to be accountable and responsible for his actions when making those decisions. It's not that complicated.
Initially your beef was that we were turning down a great athlete from Florida, have you just switched to a young man making a mistake because its a more morally justifiable position?
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i call BS on the person who said Burton wanted back and was told no.
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Can you not comprehend the entire trend of our little conversation here? Let me lay it out for you...
You said
To which I replied
Then you came with this sequence of responses to myself and other posters
I then countered your argument with this
Then you come with this?
The rumor of being denied another shot at the team is where this all started. You are now questioning what document he signed or what sort of responsibility.
Well, him not being allowed back on the team would be him being held accountable by the coaching staff for his decisions, which you initially disagreed with judging from the first quote in this post. We have come full circle.
You said
To which I replied
Then you came with this sequence of responses to myself and other posters
I then countered your argument with this
Then you come with this?
The rumor of being denied another shot at the team is where this all started. You are now questioning what document he signed or what sort of responsibility.
Well, him not being allowed back on the team would be him being held accountable by the coaching staff for his decisions, which you initially disagreed with judging from the first quote in this post. We have come full circle.
this
right, gotcha thanks for breaking it down for me...
im simply stating:
- I do not think said interaction occurred. Meaning I dont think Burton called, and if he did I DO NOT think Kelly told him to take a hike.
- I nobody knows better than the coaches that these players (kids) are not Irish property until they sign a letter of intent.
Burton gave a verbal commitment, which means NOTHING...It only means something to the grumps on this site!
Who in turn are the happiest fat cats in the world when one high school player drops a commitment to join the Irish!
ya jazzed now?
im simply stating:
- I do not think said interaction occurred. Meaning I dont think Burton called, and if he did I DO NOT think Kelly told him to take a hike.
- I nobody knows better than the coaches that these players (kids) are not Irish property until they sign a letter of intent.
Burton gave a verbal commitment, which means NOTHING...It only means something to the grumps on this site!
Who in turn are the happiest fat cats in the world when one high school player drops a commitment to join the Irish!ya jazzed now?
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You get all that?
Clay wanted Florida and the opportunity to play with his brother on the Gators. His mom was very excited. From his verbal commitment (to Fla) article:
"Definitely very excited. I couldn't pass up the opportunity," Trey said Monday night. "It's everything to be able to experience this together (with Trey) and to have someone to confide in while we go through it and just basically be brothers. I wouldn't rather spend time with anybody than him. We take this road together."
Mom couldn't agree more.
"They offered and that was it. You want to have all of your options available to you before you make a decision, but we weren't sure Florida was going to offer," Cindy (Burton MacFarlane) said. "Clay had to earn it and the only way he could do that was become a leader without Trey."
Clay Burton, brother of Trey, dumps Notre Dame for Florida Gators. - Orlando Sentinel
I am happy for Clay and his family and wish them the best.
"Definitely very excited. I couldn't pass up the opportunity," Trey said Monday night. "It's everything to be able to experience this together (with Trey) and to have someone to confide in while we go through it and just basically be brothers. I wouldn't rather spend time with anybody than him. We take this road together."
Mom couldn't agree more.
"They offered and that was it. You want to have all of your options available to you before you make a decision, but we weren't sure Florida was going to offer," Cindy (Burton MacFarlane) said. "Clay had to earn it and the only way he could do that was become a leader without Trey."
Clay Burton, brother of Trey, dumps Notre Dame for Florida Gators. - Orlando Sentinel
I am happy for Clay and his family and wish them the best.
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right, gotcha thanks for breaking it down for me...
im simply stating:
- I do not think said interaction occurred. Meaning I dont think Burton called, and if he did I DO NOT think Kelly told him to take a hike.
- I nobody knows better than the coaches that these players (kids) are not Irish property until they sign a letter of intent.
Burton gave a verbal commitment, which means NOTHING...It only means something to the grumps on this site!
ya jazzed now?
Then why did you say that we weren't in a position to turn down great athletes from Florida?
I specifically said he can do whatever he wants, but that doesn't exempt him from accountability, which would manifest itself in the form of the fictitious interaction between Kelly and Burton that was posted.
I'm not saying he can't commit wherever he wants, I actually stated that, which you failed to take into consideration, again. I'm saying if he tried to come back, whether true or not, he should be accountable for his handling of the situation.
Anyone is free to commit and decommit from any school, but if they tried to go back to said school, they should be held accountable by the staff in the form of rejecting their recommitment.