What's More Disturbing Poll: The BCS edition

[IrishinSyria]

Read this article: Boise State President blasts BCS mistake - ESPN if you want the full context, but this is the key passage:

The discrepancy was discovered by Jerry Palm, who runs the websites CollegeBCS.com - Bowl Championship Series Ratings and Analysis and CollegeRPI.com - College Basketball Ratings Percentage Index (RPI) and Bracket Projections, in the Colley Matrix computer ratings, one of six used by the BCS.

Wesley Colley said Palm, who verifies the Colley Matrix ratings, noticed the results of an FCS playoff game involving Appalachian State and Western Illinois had not been included in the data base used to generate the ratings.

Basically, missing this game mistakenly caused LSU to be ranked ahead of Boise in the final poll. The teams are now switched to their rightful places.

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

I like the poll. Even though we get to see the occasional cinderalla upset, I find it highly annoying when FCS schools play these BCS teams--regardless of how much money the smaller schools can make. These types of games should penalize bigger schools.

 

[IrishMoore1]

Boise state deserves exactly what they get: Las Vegas bowl

They play nobody, and so don't deserve any respect. Until they start playing better teams, they are not legit. I find it quite comical that they moved from wac to the mountain west, only to realize they'll be in no better position to compete for the championship since BYU, TCU, and Utah are leaving it. Fools.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Boise state deserves exactly what they get: Las Vegas bowl

They play nobody, and so don't deserve any respect. Until they start playing better teams, they are not legit. I find it quite comical that they moved from wac to the mountain west, only to realize they'll be in no better position to compete for the championship since BYU, TCU, and Utah are leaving it. Fools.

Right because playing #s 13, 15, and 24 in the final regular season BCS poll is playing "nobody."

 

[IrishMoore1]

Right because playing #s 13, 15, and 24 in the final regular season BCS poll is playing "nobody."

yeah none of those teams are good. Oregon state is a joke. They lost to Washington State. Virginia Tech is a good team but not elite, given their debacle against James Madison. Nevada is the only other good team on their schedule, and Boise lost to them. Hawaii should not be ranked in the top 25. They didn't beat anybody either.

 

[IrishInColumbus]

yeah none of those teams are good. Oregon state is a joke. They lost to Washington State. Virginia Tech is a good team but not elite, given their debacle against James Madison. Nevada is the only other good team on their schedule, and Boise lost to them. Hawaii should not be ranked in the top 25. They didn't beat anybody either.

Virginia Tech is one of the hottest teams in the country right now. The loss to James Madison was a perfect storm. Does it look bad? Hell yes. Does it have any effect on how good they are today? No.

Boise State doesn't need to play an SEC schedule to get noticed. They have lost one game since 2008. I don't care who you are, that is tough as hell. They've won two BCS bowl games recently. Once again I don't care who you are, that's impressive.

My argument is that the MWC or WAC are not worse than the Big East. Boise State would run through that conference winning every game by three touchdowns or more. If the Big East has an automatic bid and their champion gets treated like an elite, Boise State and Texas Christian deserve it to.

Speaking of Texas Christian, they are hopefully about to show the world just how fake the "elites" are. Utah started it when they beat Pittsburgh, but the folks in charge orchestrated that one so it didn't look impressive. Boise State should have knocked down the door when they beat an Oklahoma team with one of the best running backs in history; but because it was gimmicky the win is largely ignored. Utah took a **** on Alabama, but I guess that doesn't count. Well guess what, Wisconsin has a gigantic target on its back.

Wisconsin is "elite," no? What good teams have they beaten? They lost to Michigan State, and they beat Ohio State. Iowa is an above average football team. So their victory over Ohio State is credible, that's it? That's freakin' weak. Plus Ohio State's schedule has been laughable. I am in the Knowlton School of Architecture here at Ohio State, but even I will gladly admit that our football team hasn't played anyone. Wisconsin beat their brains in.

I guess my other point is that too much of this schedule garbage is based on traditional clout and should be taken with a grain of salt. "Oooooh look out! Wisconsin put up 70 on Northwestern and even 82 on Indiana! They're incredible."

**** that. They looked like **** beating Arizona State, and barely beat San Jose State at home. The same San Jose State team that lost to Alabama 48-3 and Boise State 48-0, but Wisconsin's ugly 27-14 win is ignored?

No one plays a solid schedule these days. Too many athletic directors are investing in Vagisil (I'm looking at you Gene Smith and Co.) and are playing the weakest schedule they can get away with to increase their chances of going undefeated and letting their traditional clout getting them into the BCS National Championship game. It's all an arguably unconstitutional monopoly, and one of the biggest bunches of bullsh*t I've ever witnessed.

/end rant.

 

[phgreek]

Virginia Tech is one of the hottest teams in the country right now. The loss to James Madison was a perfect storm. Does it look bad? Hell yes. Does it have any effect on how good they are today? No.

Boise State doesn't need to play an SEC schedule to get noticed. They have lost one game since 2008. I don't care who you are, that is tough as hell. They've won two BCS bowl games recently. Once again I don't care who you are, that's impressive.

My argument is that the MWC or WAC are not worse than the Big East. Boise State would run through that conference winning every game by three touchdowns or more. If the Big East has an automatic bid and their champion gets treated like an elite, Boise State and Texas Christian deserve it to.

Speaking of Texas Christian, they are hopefully about to show the world just how fake the "elites" are. Utah started it when they beat Pittsburgh, but the folks in charge orchestrated that one so it didn't look impressive. Boise State should have knocked down the door when they beat an Oklahoma team with one of the best running backs in history; but because it was gimmicky the win is largely ignored. Utah took a **** on Alabama, but I guess that doesn't count. Well guess what, Wisconsin has a gigantic target on its back.

Wisconsin is "elite," no? What good teams have they beaten? They lost to Michigan State, and they beat Ohio State. Iowa is an above average football team. So their victory over Ohio State is credible, that's it? That's freakin' weak. Plus Ohio State's schedule has been laughable. I am in the Knowlton School of Architecture here at Ohio State, but even I will gladly admit that our football team hasn't played anyone. Wisconsin beat their brains in.

I guess my other point is that too much of this schedule garbage is based on traditional clout and should be taken with a grain of salt. "Oooooh look out! Wisconsin put up 70 on Northwestern and even 82 on Indiana! They're incredible."

**** that. They looked like **** beating Arizona State, and barely beat San Jose State at home. The same San Jose State team that lost to Alabama 48-3 and Boise State 48-0, but Wisconsin's ugly 27-14 win is ignored?

No one plays a solid schedule these days. Too many athletic directors are investing in Vagisil (I'm looking at you Gene Smith and Co.) and are playing the weakest schedule they can get away with to increase their chances of going undefeated and letting their traditional clout getting them into the BCS National Championship game. It's all an arguably unconstitutional monopoly, and one of the biggest bunches of bullsh*t I've ever witnessed.

/end rant.

Thank You...DEAD...NUTS...ON

This issue is getting tiresome...seriously. You can only beat the Crap out of who is on your schedule. And you guys all know the BCS has been in panic mode over Utah, Boise State, and TCU for 5 years now...looking for ways to keep them out...it is simply ignorant to blindly carry on the "they don't play anyone" bull****...because when they play "someone" they almost always WIN!

 

[mgriff]

The rules for Boise St. are this: Beat everyone on your schedule or you don't go to the BCS. That's it. It's cut and dry. They didn't do it, they don't go to the BCS. They don't play a rigorous schedule week in and week out, so they are required to be undefeated. They are a great team, but they didn't get the job done. I'm sorry for Boise, but if they want to be treated like the conference teams, they need to be in one of the better conferences and play the tougher games every week. Until that happens, they are required to go undefeated against their schedule, unless they load it with out of conference match-ups to counter the majority of their conference schedule.

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

The rules for Boise St. are this: Beat everyone on your schedule or you don't go to the BCS. That's it. It's cut and dry. They didn't do it, they don't go to the BCS. They don't play a rigorous schedule week in and week out, so they are required to be undefeated. They are a great team, but they didn't get the job done. I'm sorry for Boise, but if they want to be treated like the conference teams, they need to be in one of the better conferences and play the tougher games every week. Until that happens, they are required to go undefeated against their schedule, unless they load it with out of conference match-ups to counter the majority of their conference schedule.

I agree with you about Boise State. They know what has to be done and they fell short. I'm not going to say that is right though. The BCS is bull#$%* though. Until they eliminate the automatic bids like a team such as UCONN 8-4 from going to the BCS, you are going to have this argument rage on and on. Personally I think Boise State would kill UCONN but that is just my two cents.

 

[nlroma1o]

No one plays a solid schedule these days. Too many athletic directors are investing in Vagisil (I'm looking at you Gene Smith and Co.) and are playing the weakest schedule they can get away with to increase their chances of going undefeated and letting their traditional clout getting them into the BCS National Championship game. It's all an arguably unconstitutional monopoly, and one of the biggest bunches of bullsh*t I've ever witnessed.

/end rant.

HAHAHA! You speaka da truth!!!

 

[Rocket's Rocket Fan]

Virginia Tech is one of the hottest teams in the country right now. The loss to James Madison was a perfect storm. Does it look bad? Hell yes. Does it have any effect on how good they are today? No.

Boise State doesn't need to play an SEC schedule to get noticed. They have lost one game since 2008. I don't care who you are, that is tough as hell. They've won two BCS bowl games recently. Once again I don't care who you are, that's impressive.

My argument is that the MWC or WAC are not worse than the Big East. Boise State would run through that conference winning every game by three touchdowns or more. If the Big East has an automatic bid and their champion gets treated like an elite, Boise State and Texas Christian deserve it to.

Speaking of Texas Christian, they are hopefully about to show the world just how fake the "elites" are. Utah started it when they beat Pittsburgh, but the folks in charge orchestrated that one so it didn't look impressive. Boise State should have knocked down the door when they beat an Oklahoma team with one of the best running backs in history; but because it was gimmicky the win is largely ignored. Utah took a **** on Alabama, but I guess that doesn't count. Well guess what, Wisconsin has a gigantic target on its back.

Wisconsin is "elite," no? What good teams have they beaten? They lost to Michigan State, and they beat Ohio State. Iowa is an above average football team. So their victory over Ohio State is credible, that's it? That's freakin' weak. Plus Ohio State's schedule has been laughable. I am in the Knowlton School of Architecture here at Ohio State, but even I will gladly admit that our football team hasn't played anyone. Wisconsin beat their brains in.

I guess my other point is that too much of this schedule garbage is based on traditional clout and should be taken with a grain of salt. "Oooooh look out! Wisconsin put up 70 on Northwestern and even 82 on Indiana! They're incredible."

**** that. They looked like **** beating Arizona State, and barely beat San Jose State at home. The same San Jose State team that lost to Alabama 48-3 and Boise State 48-0, but Wisconsin's ugly 27-14 win is ignored?

No one plays a solid schedule these days. Too many athletic directors are investing in Vagisil (I'm looking at you Gene Smith and Co.) and are playing the weakest schedule they can get away with to increase their chances of going undefeated and letting their traditional clout getting them into the BCS National Championship game. It's all an arguably unconstitutional monopoly, and one of the biggest bunches of bullsh*t I've ever witnessed.

/end rant.

Great post. I agree with everything you said there...Reps

 

[RDU Irish]

Who in their right mind would want Boise State in their conference? Think of all of the Olympic sports you would have to drag there for games/meets etc? It is not as if conferences have an open door, everyone is welcome policy? You have to be allowed into a conference. Ignoring the politics and blaming Boise State for their schedule is pretty shallow. The team shows up and puts on a show every week, including two BCS wins. Give me a break.

As far as Wisconsin and OSU, they can bite me. Talk about two schools that load up on non-conference patsies. Wisconsin is the worst and has been forever. Tell me the last meaningful non-conference opponent they put on their schedule?

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

I like IrishinColumbus post. Its funny when media discredits bowl matchups--"Will Alabama "get up" to play utah?" "Can Oklahoma get up to play Boise?" etc etc. Then when they lose it wasnt because Team A was better than BCS team, it was because they didnt bring the same intensity.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

As far as Wisconsin and OSU, they can bite me. Talk about two schools that load up on non-conference patsies. Wisconsin is the worst and has been forever. Tell me the last meaningful non-conference opponent they put on their schedule?

I disagree with you on OSU. They scheduled Miami out of conference, who knew that Miami would be this bad. In previous years they have scheduled Texas and USC when those schools were elite teams. They also scheduled Navy last year and we all know Navy is no slouch anymore. I give OSU a break, but Wisconsin is another story.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I disagree with you on OSU. They scheduled Miami out of conference, who knew that Miami would be this bad. In previous years they have scheduled Texas and USC when those schools were elite teams. They also scheduled Navy last year and we all know Navy is no slouch anymore. I give OSU a break, but Wisconsin is another story.

Who knew that Oregon State's best players would get hurt for the season and they would be so bad this year? Or that Vtech would lose to James Madison? Yet somehow Boise gets blamed for that, so why can't Ohio State be knocked for their 3 best games being wins over mediocre Miami and Iowa and a thrashing at the hands of Wisconsin.

This year, for what its worth, Wisconsin is legit and could have played a tough out of conference schedule. They didn't though, and almost lost a BCS bid because of it. As far as I'm concerned, schools like Wisconsin or (insert SEC team here) that load up on soft out of conference games are much bigger offenders in the watering down of college football than teams like TCU or Boise who have to play in the conference they're in.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Boise state deserves exactly what they get: Las Vegas bowl

They play nobody, and so don't deserve any respect. Until they start playing better teams, they are not legit. I find it quite comical that they moved from wac to the mountain west, only to realize they'll be in no better position to compete for the championship since BYU, TCU, and Utah are leaving it. Fools.

Stupid post. Nobody will schedule Boise because it is a lose-lose. If you win you just beat a lowly mid-major, and if you lose you lost to a lowly mid-major. Boise is trying to schedule this teams but no one does. Your second post was equally as stupid, if not moreso.

 

[mgriff]

Stupid post. Nobody will schedule Boise because it is a lose-lose. If you win you just beat a lowly mid-major, and if you lose you lost to a lowly mid-major. Boise is trying to schedule this teams but no one does. Your second post was equally as stupid, if not moreso.

Well Nebraska tried and failed because Boise wanted more money. You can argue semantics all you want, but they had the opportunity to schedule three games with Nebraska and declined. If they felt they deserved better with more money or an equal amount of home and away games, that could be the reason they declined. If they were incredibly interested in building the reputation of their program, they need to understand that they do not have the same weight to throw around as other conferences.

So in fact, a team did try to schedule them, and they refused. The reason for which has to do with money respect, or whatever you want to say. The bottom line, however, is that they refused when the major problem with their image is strength of schedule. Of course it's a lose-lose for the other team, which makes being picky a really poor course of action for Boise St.

 

[TDHeysus]

The rules for Boise St. are this: Beat everyone on your schedule or you don't go to the BCS. That's it. It's cut and dry. They didn't do it, they don't go to the BCS. They don't play a rigorous schedule week in and week out, so they are required to be undefeated. They are a great team, but they didn't get the job done. I'm sorry for Boise, but if they want to be treated like the conference teams, they need to be in one of the better conferences and play the tougher games every week. Until that happens, they are required to go undefeated against their schedule, unless they load it with out of conference match-ups to counter the majority of their conference schedule.

I agree, Boise could help themselves out alot by scheduling a killer out-of-conference schedule. Hey, maybe they start a trend in CFB where teams schedule big time out-of-conference games to bolster their stock. until then, Boise needs to go undefeated, as mgriff said. I'll go one step farther, they need to go undefeated and hope that 2 other teams are not undefeated either.

 

[mgriff]

I agree, Boise could help themselves out alot by scheduling a killer out-of-conference schedule. Hey, maybe they start a trend in CFB where teams schedule big time out-of-conference games to bolster their stock. until then, Boise needs to go undefeated, as mgriff said. I'll go one step farther, they need to go undefeated and hope that 2 other teams are not undefeated either.

Without a doubt for the National Championship, I was just referring to the BCS in general. I completely agree that they need to be one of two undefeated teams to get into the NC game.