Dear St. Joe County Police, sorry for partying

[Rack Em]

Saw this on youtube a little bit ago. I was at a tailgate that the St. Joseph County "Cavalry" broke up about 20 minutes before kickoff. But this is absolutely ridiculous. Notre Dame students have been fighting this kind of BS all year.

Were these students resisting? Barely, but yes. Was it necessary for a police officer to shove them both? Absolutely not IMO. Your opinions are welcome.

Sorry for partying. Actually, sorry we're not sorry.


YouTube - St Joseph County Police Brutality at Notre Dame

 

[IrishinSyria]

haha, my brother was there too.

But I just watched the video and it sucks that the kid got arrested. Was he able to watch the game/avoid any charges?

 

[ACamp1900]

Every case is different,... with that said ... I have multiple friends who are police officers or sheriffs in pretty rough areas of California (L.A., San Bernardino, Rialto... all not fun) and each (they don't know each other) say the same exact thing,


...every single day they are called racial slurs, called pig,beyond disrespected... they often have stuff thrown at them, and are even pushed and shoved semi-regularly... yet the second they or a fellow officer answers back or subdues someone forcefully who has gone too far, the local news interviews all the equally aggressive neighbors about how bad the police are and how it's all police brutality and another case of police abusing their authority, picking on the poor, innocent citizenry...

my point? if a cop tells you to do something just ****ing do it... these people that push and push and push and then cry about how the cop reacts are flat out asking for it... I'm not really saying that what happened here but you can see the guy arguing before hand... just do what he tells you to and you're cool...

 

[IrishLax]

Well... this isn't exactly a rough part of California... and I think that is what bothers everyone. There have been multiple cases in recent years of cops crossing the line, such as with the party that ended up forcing Will Yaetman to transfer and the party earlier this year.

Let's make sure we're comparing apples to apples.

 

[military_irish]

Every case is different,... with that said ... I have multiple friends who are police officers or sheriffs in pretty rough areas of California (L.A., San Bernardino, Rialto... all not fun) and each (they don't know each other) say the same exact thing,


...every single day they are called racial slurs, called pig,beyond disrespected... they often have stuff thrown at them, and are even pushed and shoved semi-regularly... yet the second they or a fellow officer answers back or subdues someone forcefully who has gone too far, the local news interviews all the equally aggressive neighbors about how bad the police are and how it's all police brutality and another case of police abusing their authority, picking on the poor, innocent citizenry...

my point? if a cop tells you to do something just ****ing do it... these people that push and push and push and then cry about how the cop reacts are flat out asking for it... I'm not really saying that what happened here but you can see the guy arguing before hand... just do what he tells you to and you're cool...

i agree 100%, I've been pulled over numerous times for reason's i still don't know (never got a ticket) But i was respectful to them and most of the time I would would have a conversation with one officer while the other one was looking through my car. Because i know i had nothing to hide and had done nothing wrong.

After all was done, they said "sorry to take up your time and have a good night". We were both on our way.

I never understood the person who tries to argue with a police officer, if they know they have done nothing wrong. Just go with the flow, all will work it's self out.

 

[ACamp1900]

Irish Lax, there is no apples to apples with police... ever... I said every case is different and so is every community... but two things,...

first, South Bend might as well be rough areas of Cali. if my understanding is correct

second, he is arguing... that really helped matters.

and sorry there is no way in hell... at all... that the police force out there is just made up of a bunch of dictatorial cops who like to beatup on innocent college kids. I'm sure there are two sides to what is going on if this is a recurring thing.

 

[Rack Em]

Was he able to watch the game/avoid any charges?

Doubtful. I had several friends that ended up in the "drunk tank" yesterday.

Well... this isn't exactly a rough part of California... and I think that is what bothers everyone. There have been multiple cases in recent years of cops crossing the line, such as with the party that ended up forcing Will Yaetman to transfer and the party earlier this year.

Let's make sure we're comparing apples to apples.

Agreed. I'm not advocating antagonizing a cop, but these students were not out of control or belligerent. It was frustrating to see this kind of reaction by the police on senior day. One of my friends blew a .13 and was thrown in the "drunk tank."

 

[ACamp1900]

btw, sidenote... wasn't it fauria that transfered due to stuff like this? Or did yeatman have something happen also?

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

It was Yeatman.... Fauria was the "rumored" slap on the fanny.

 

[GreatGolson]

I dont know what happened here, but it must have been one hell of a party for them to bring out 6 horses to tear it down.

 

[Stoic]

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[IrishinSyria]

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Now, I'm a big advocate of showing some respect for the police. But they brought mounted cavalry to a freaking tailgate. Now, do you think that there has ever, in the history of Notre Dame, been an incident in the parking lot that required officers on horses to keep things under control?

There is a special group of Indiana police* that sets up raids for under-age drinking. Now this is fair enough, it's against the law after all and can be dangerous. But they are notorious for using unnecessary force to break up parties, chase down drunks, etc... Meanwhile, the murder rate in South Bend is twice the national average and this hero squad does zero about drugs or guns outside of the ND community.


*edit: They are called the Indiana excise police. I don't know if they were the ones on the horses or not, but it sure looks like it. They were founded during prohibition and are in charge of Alcohol and Tobacco violations. Now, they have some serious responsibilities, such as DUI response and running drunk-driver check points. However, their main purpose at ND seems to be responding to noise complaints with raids leading to 30+ arrests.

 

[timm3117]

Haha red got arrested! Here is some advice, next time keep your yap shut and do as your asked!

 

[IrishLax]

Irish Lax, there is no apples to apples with police... ever... I said every case is different and so is every community... but two things,...

first, South Bend might as well be rough areas of Cali. if my understanding is correct

second, he is arguing... that really helped matters.

and sorry there is no way in hell... at all... that the police force out there is just made up of a bunch of dictatorial cops who like to beatup on innocent college kids. I'm sure there are two sides to what is going on if this is a recurring thing.

You're making a lot of assumptions. And South Bend is nowhere near Cali... much less Gary, Indiana... so your understanding is not correct.

I have zero examples from my time in South Bend of cops doing the right thing, but I have over a dozen of them doing the wrong thing. And I'm not talking about underage drinking only, I'm talking about things like when my friend's house got robbed, they found the items on Craig's List the next day, and the cops said it "wasn't worth their time" to try to get them back because "they will probably already be gone." This was less than 24 hours after the robbery.

Again, what I am saying is that you shouldn't assume that all South Bend cops are responsible people just as you shouldn't assume Cali cops are bad people.

 

[IrishLax]

btw, sidenote... wasn't it fauria that transfered due to stuff like this? Or did yeatman have something happen also?

Yaetman. He transferred so he wouldn't have to miss a second consecutive season of lacrosse. His first arrest was legit, his second one was total and utter bull****.

 

[SoInIrishFan]

Every case is different,... with that said ... I have multiple friends who are police officers or sheriffs in pretty rough areas of California (L.A., San Bernardino, Rialto... all not fun) and each (they don't know each other) say the same exact thing,


...every single day they are called racial slurs, called pig,beyond disrespected... they often have stuff thrown at them, and are even pushed and shoved semi-regularly... yet the second they or a fellow officer answers back or subdues someone forcefully who has gone too far, the local news interviews all the equally aggressive neighbors about how bad the police are and how it's all police brutality and another case of police abusing their authority, picking on the poor, innocent citizenry...

my point? if a cop tells you to do something just ****ing do it... these people that push and push and push and then cry about how the cop reacts are flat out asking for it... I'm not really saying that what happened here but you can see the guy arguing before hand... just do what he tells you to and you're cool...

That's absolute BS !!!! I work with police almost every day. If they don't have the tolerance for that assignment, then they should do something else. I'm a professional firefighter, and subjected to a lot of things I don't like, but don't lash out at people like that.

That officer actually assaulted him. Plain and simple!

 

[ACamp1900]

sure... but I'm beyond tired of people breaking the law... calling out cops... creating the situation... then blaming the cops for it when they get themsleves into trouble... timm said it right just before your post... I would say you may be the one assuming the cops are guilty by a 2 minute vid that BEGINS with the "brutality"... I'm trying to bring some perspective to this before we all bury the police by saying flat out... maybe, just maybe there is a reason or even a history to why they reacted this way...



and if South Bend does in fact have a murder rate twice that of the national average then my assumption is in fact dead on on that city...

 

[Junkhead]

One of my friends blew a .13 and was thrown in the "drunk tank."

Was he/she over 21? Either way that is legally drunk, but less than I will be in a few hours.

 

[military_irish]

You're making a lot of assumptions. And South Bend is nowhere near Cali... much less Gary, Indiana... so your understanding is not correct.

I have zero examples from my time in South Bend of cops doing the right thing, but I have over a dozen of them doing the wrong thing. And I'm not talking about underage drinking only, I'm talking about things like when my friend's house got robbed, they found the items on Craig's List the next day, and the cops said it "wasn't worth their time" to try to get them back because "they will probably already be gone." This was less than 24 hours after the robbery.

Again, what I am saying is that you shouldn't assume that all South Bend cops are responsible people just as you shouldn't assume Cali cops are bad people.

Just going to throw in my two cents but no one hears about what good things cops do because they won't be reported because it's not "good" news. But everything cops do wrong will be reported no matter how small it may be.

Just an example, which is similiar but while i was in the military two Sergeant's came about a car crash and performed CPR to save a ladies life. It was reported in the newspaper only and was buried in the middle of the paper and was maybe 100 words. But on the front page was a story of some soldiers that messed up in Iraq and it was on the front page and continued to the middle.

Now i know it is hard to compare the military to police, but they do have similiar circumstances when it comes to whom is good and whom isn't.

 

[GreatGolson]

Didnt Kyle Macalrney (sorry for the spelling) get arested by them back during his time at ND?

 

[ACamp1900]

That's absolute BS !!!! I work with police almost every day. If they don't have the tolerance for that assignment, then they should do something else. I'm a professional firefighter, and subjected to a lot of things I don't like, but don't lash out at people like that.

That officer actually assaulted him. Plain and simple!

so having stuff thrown at you and being shoved before hand is not grounds for arrest...


right.

 

[IrishLax]

Didnt Kyle Macalrney (sorry for the spelling) get arested by them back during his time at ND?

Yeah. He was kicked out of school for a semester for pot possession.

 

[IrishLax]

so having stuff thrown at you and being shoved before hand is not grounds for arrest...


right.

When did this happen in the video?

 

[ACamp1900]

When did this happen in the video?

he wasn't talking about the video, he was calling out my friends for their experience...

 

[IrishLax]

he wasn't talking about the video, he was calling out my friends for their experience...

Oh ok.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Bottom line is that cops are given a great deal of power. They have the authority to arrest and to kill. They're trained and paid a nice salary at the expense of the taxpayer. The trade-off to this is that they're expected to use their authority with discretion.

Want to know what was happening before the video? People were eating and drinking and laughing at a senior tailgate. There's no way that the fat man responded with a reasonable amount of force to the situation.

 

[SoInIrishFan]

Military, you're correct, but that's society in general. Every now and then, the new will report a story about someone doing something nice. The things we should be doing every day, because it's the right thing to do, but people are so self absorbed nowadays.

Unless that young man push or spit on that officer, nothing justifies his response. He was bullying the kid, and got pissed when the kid stared him down.

I understand getting ticked off with people. I don't have a problem with an officer arresting/detaining someone for breaking the law, or for the protection of another. There are always 2 sides to a story, but that kid didn't lay a hand on that officer. If a person doesn't have the right temperament for that kind of work, they should do something else.

If we made an attempted suicide on a medical response, should we not help the person because "before we got there" they were trying to kill themselves?

What if the officer had hit him with a slap jack, or worse? Would it still be so easily excusable?

 

[IrishLax]

Bottom line is that cops are given a great deal of power. They have the authority to arrest and to kill. They're trained and paid a nice salary at the expense of the taxpayer. The trade-off to this is that they're expected to use their authority with discretion.

Want to know what was happening before the video? People were eating and drinking and laughing at a senior tailgate. There's no way that the fat man responded with a reasonable amount of force to the situation.

That is exactly my point. Let's focus on the incident at hand and minimize the generalizations and assumptions.

 

[SoInIrishFan]

so having stuff thrown at you and being shoved before hand is not grounds for arrest...


right.

Didn't say that, but if that had happened... they would have been arrested. That officer wasn't going in for an arrest when he first pushed that kid. He changed his mind after pushing him, when the kid stared him down. Plain and simple.

I understand your buddies are cops, and they're probably super guys and gals. You want to defend them and their profession, which is honorable. No matter how you slice this one, that officer was out of control for a bit.

 

[ACamp1900]

If that's the case he'll get a nice boot out the door... and I made it clear that my stancee is more general... mabe it's just my experince...

to be totally clear, I'm not the biggest fan of cops... I tell my friends so... I believe the average cop is a glorified tax collector these days... but I'm even less of a fan of these people that break the law or even verbally or physically attack cops while comitting a crime then cry brutality when then get taken down during an arrest... it's just a picture of the larger entitlement problem this country seems to have... but again, each case is different and we'll see what happens in this one.

either way, bottom line, shut your mouth and follow orders and you don't spend the night in the county jail