Regarding Today's Accident

Mr. McGibblets

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While I find his twitter posts extremely intriguing, I find it poor taste for ESPN to report on them. I don't know, I think it kind of mocks the situation. That's more of internet news if that makes any sense at all. No one else probably agrees
 

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maybe...maybe not.

i found it interesting to hear Jim Tressel speaking on Tuesday, telling reporters he was worried about practicing outside because of high winds in the forecast and expressed concern for the camera crew. he was worried about it even though OSU has permanent towers.....my point being a coach might have an awarenss about such a thing.

why wasnt ANYBODY, other than Declan Sullivan, worried about it here?

It's kind of annoying me that ESPN is saying that Tressel was worried about the wind and kept his team indoors on Tuesday. Notre Dame was also indoors Tuesday. This incident happened on Wednesday. I'm not excusing the negligence by whoever was in charge of sending Declan up on the lift. But it seems the media is trying to build the story up more than it needs to be.
 
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First, let me say that my deepest sympathy goes out to the friends and family of this young man. It is a horrible loss. I work as an insurance adjuster, and I often work on high roofs and in dangerous conditions. I know that this kid was scared, it is obvious from his tweets, and I have been in similiar situations. I have been told by others that something may be safe and not paid attention and continued with my job. He probably had the feeling that it won't happen to me. I guess my point is that I feel for this kid who did something even though he was scared, and I hope and pray that he was not forced up there. I know I will think twice before I ever put myself in that situation again. RIP
 

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Notre Dame's Kelly Must Go

By Jason POS

There are some mistakes coaches can’t survive. Brian Kelly made one Wednesday.

Declan Sullivan

Declan Sullivan.
The Notre Dame Observer

Before Notre Dame reaches a financial settlement with the family of Declan Sullivan, the 20-year-old videographer who died in a tragic practice accident, the school must sever ties with its first-year head football coach.

Kelly should not coach the Irish on Saturday when they take on Tulsa.

We don’t need a thorough and exhaustive investigation to recognize Kelly’s negligence. A coach’s most important job, particularly at the amateur level, is to take every reasonable precaution to ensure the safety of the young people under his control.

Kelly failed in the worst way possible.

In recent years, Notre Dame dismissed Bob Davie, Tyrone Willingham and Charlie Weis for failing to win enough games. The school canned George O’Leary for exaggerating on his resume.

Those "crimes" pale in comparison to allowing student managers to go up in 50-foot-tall lifts to film practice in hazardous wind conditions.

Mitigating circumstances do not matter. Notre Dame’s video coordinator should not be held responsible. Declan Sullivan, who tweeted before and during practice the weather conditions were terrifying and life threatening, certainly isn’t to blame.

The head football coach has final say over everything that transpires on the practice field. Everything. That’s why Ohio State’s Jim Tressel moved the Buckeyes’ practice inside on Tuesday when wind gusts made conditions unsafe.

“I don’t know if we’ll be inside or out,” Tressel told Ohio reporters 24 hours before the Notre Dame tragedy. “It looks a little nasty. I worry about our cameramen, their well-being up there 50 feet in the air.”

That’s the proper mindset of a head football coach. He’s paranoid about everything.

On Tuesday, Kelly and the Irish practiced indoors because of the wind. On Wednesday, Kelly chose to take the Irish out into the elements. Coaches love to say, “If we’re going to play in the North Pole, we’re going to practice in the North Pole.”

TRAGIC SPORTS DEATHS
Sports has lost many athletes way too soon. We list a few.

That’s fine for the players. Student videographers don’t film games from 50-foot lifts on Saturdays. Not to mention lifts of the kind that aren’t recommended for use in winds above 25 mph.

Kelly’s negligence is inexcusable. He ignored the risks. Notre Dame should treat Kelly like a drunk driver whose negligent behavior killed a passenger or another driver. An apology and a financial settlement are not enough.

Please do not read this as a demonization of Brian Kelly.

Having been young and stupid, I know how people make the mistake of drinking and driving. When I read about a drunk-driving tragedy, I have sympathy for all parties involved.

Having played college football and worked with coaches most of my life, I know how Kelly made this mistake. His team is soft. He wanted to test his players mentally and physically in difficult conditions and he wanted to grade the test on tape.

I get it. And I get that he’s experiencing terrible emotional pain.

But there are some mistakes coaches just can’t make without suffering stiff repercussions. This is one.


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This is worse than a recruiting violation or a sex scandal or even academic fraud. This is a 20-year-old kid who lost his life when he absolutely didn’t have to. This is a fundamental failure.

Notre Dame and athletic director Jack Swarbrick have no choice but to remove Kelly from his position. On Thursday, during a news conference, Swarbrick seemed most interested in making sure he retained his job and minimizing the public-relations damage.

Swarbrick made it clear that he was at practice less than four or five minutes before the lift holding Sullivan fell over. Swarbrick told reporters that he was on a conference call before he walked over to practice ? the inference being he wasn’t there long enough to tell Sullivan to come down from the lift.

Swarbrick then suggested the winds gusted with an unprecedented ferocity, leading to the accident that killed Sullivan.

“Things started flying by me that otherwise had been stationary for all of practice,” Swarbrick said. “Gatorade containers, towels, etc. I noticed the netting on the goal posts start to bend dramatically, and I heard a crash.”

How does Swarbrick know what was “stationary for all of practice” if he only arrived four or five minutes before the crash? And given the weather reports for that part of northern Indiana on Wednesday, it’s ridiculous for Swarbrick to suggest the 50-mph wind gusts were surprising.

Notre Dame might need a new coach and AD.
 

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he loves ND turmoil. the mob party is building.
 

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Notre Dame's Kelly Must Go

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How does Swarbrick know what was “stationary for all of practice” if he only arrived four or five minutes before the crash? ...

Um...because everything was in its normal spot?

Funny how everyone assumes the head coach makes every decision in any way football-related. Bureaucracies (which is what a college is) might not work that way. Of course, he knows the practices are taped, so he knows the job occurs. But that would be like blaming Kelly if the groundskeeper got struck by lightning while mowing the field, since Kelly knows that it gets mowed.
 

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This guy doesn't even know who is in charge and he is going to write an article like that.
 

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Wow!! I knew that Whitlock was a hack, but I had no idea he was that big of a hack. What a shmuck!
 

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Whitlock is garbage. I read his column every week (I really don't know why) and what he writes ticks me off about 90% of the time. I'm actually surprised he didn't turn this into a race issue like he does everything else.
 

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I am deeply saddened by the death of Declan Sullivan, but this article about firing Coach Kelly is way off base.

Declan should have said he didn't want to go up, but he was a kid. Probably a kid who loved his job, and thought it was amazing to be part of the ND football team all of us admire so much. He was 20 years old and thought nothing bad would ever happen to him. Just like any other 20 year old.

Who are we to say that if someone would have advised against him going up that he wouldn't have objected, being a person proud of his job?

His death was a tragic accident. But an accident none the less. There is a lot of shoulda, coulda, woulda...but one thing is for sure. 2,000 people, including Coach Kelly and the football team showed up to pay respects to Declan and his family and honor his dedication, service, personality, and above all his life. God Bless the Sullivan Family. My prayers are with you.

I do not feel we all need to point fingers, all the hatred and anger isn't going to bring this poor boy back to anyone.
 

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I can't even find the article on ESPN. I even searched for all articles by him. Weird.

That was seriously one of the dumbest things I have seen since the ESPN railroading of Mike Leech.
 

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Notre Dame's Kelly Must Go

By Jason POS

There are some mistakes coaches can’t survive. Brian Kelly made one Wednesday.

Declan Sullivan

Declan Sullivan.
The Notre Dame Observer

Before Notre Dame reaches a financial settlement with the family of Declan Sullivan, the 20-year-old videographer who died in a tragic practice accident, the school must sever ties with its first-year head football coach.

Kelly should not coach the Irish on Saturday when they take on Tulsa.

We don’t need a thorough and exhaustive investigation to recognize Kelly’s negligence. A coach’s most important job, particularly at the amateur level, is to take every reasonable precaution to ensure the safety of the young people under his control.

Kelly failed in the worst way possible.

In recent years, Notre Dame dismissed Bob Davie, Tyrone Willingham and Charlie Weis for failing to win enough games. The school canned George O’Leary for exaggerating on his resume.

Those "crimes" pale in comparison to allowing student managers to go up in 50-foot-tall lifts to film practice in hazardous wind conditions.

Mitigating circumstances do not matter. Notre Dame’s video coordinator should not be held responsible. Declan Sullivan, who tweeted before and during practice the weather conditions were terrifying and life threatening, certainly isn’t to blame.

The head football coach has final say over everything that transpires on the practice field. Everything. That’s why Ohio State’s Jim Tressel moved the Buckeyes’ practice inside on Tuesday when wind gusts made conditions unsafe.

“I don’t know if we’ll be inside or out,” Tressel told Ohio reporters 24 hours before the Notre Dame tragedy. “It looks a little nasty. I worry about our cameramen, their well-being up there 50 feet in the air.”

That’s the proper mindset of a head football coach. He’s paranoid about everything.

On Tuesday, Kelly and the Irish practiced indoors because of the wind. On Wednesday, Kelly chose to take the Irish out into the elements. Coaches love to say, “If we’re going to play in the North Pole, we’re going to practice in the North Pole.”

TRAGIC SPORTS DEATHS
Sports has lost many athletes way too soon. We list a few.

That’s fine for the players. Student videographers don’t film games from 50-foot lifts on Saturdays. Not to mention lifts of the kind that aren’t recommended for use in winds above 25 mph.

Kelly’s negligence is inexcusable. He ignored the risks. Notre Dame should treat Kelly like a drunk driver whose negligent behavior killed a passenger or another driver. An apology and a financial settlement are not enough.

Please do not read this as a demonization of Brian Kelly.

Having been young and stupid, I know how people make the mistake of drinking and driving. When I read about a drunk-driving tragedy, I have sympathy for all parties involved.

Having played college football and worked with coaches most of my life, I know how Kelly made this mistake. His team is soft. He wanted to test his players mentally and physically in difficult conditions and he wanted to grade the test on tape.

I get it. And I get that he’s experiencing terrible emotional pain.

But there are some mistakes coaches just can’t make without suffering stiff repercussions. This is one.


CONTACT JASON WHITLOCK

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This is worse than a recruiting violation or a sex scandal or even academic fraud. This is a 20-year-old kid who lost his life when he absolutely didn’t have to. This is a fundamental failure.

Notre Dame and athletic director Jack Swarbrick have no choice but to remove Kelly from his position. On Thursday, during a news conference, Swarbrick seemed most interested in making sure he retained his job and minimizing the public-relations damage.

Swarbrick made it clear that he was at practice less than four or five minutes before the lift holding Sullivan fell over. Swarbrick told reporters that he was on a conference call before he walked over to practice ? the inference being he wasn’t there long enough to tell Sullivan to come down from the lift.

Swarbrick then suggested the winds gusted with an unprecedented ferocity, leading to the accident that killed Sullivan.

“Things started flying by me that otherwise had been stationary for all of practice,” Swarbrick said. “Gatorade containers, towels, etc. I noticed the netting on the goal posts start to bend dramatically, and I heard a crash.”

How does Swarbrick know what was “stationary for all of practice” if he only arrived four or five minutes before the crash? And given the weather reports for that part of northern Indiana on Wednesday, it’s ridiculous for Swarbrick to suggest the 50-mph wind gusts were surprising.

Notre Dame might need a new coach and AD.

LOL!!!! Even I know that this is just wrong. Poor bastard. But what if it DID happen?
 

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I won't happen. thats like saying congress is going to kick obama out of the white house as much as i would love that it won't happen.
 

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Man articles like that **** me off. As someone who writes a lot for the ESPN lacrosse affiliate, biased op-ed style articles always rub me the wrong way because their flawed logic. They never consider alternatives or other reasonable conclusions... they just use "facts" to support a warped opinion or hypothesis.

I got into it last year with Melissa Isaacson because of the garbage she was writing (to her credit she responded to my criticism and made some good counterpoints/concessions) and it just seems the quality of journalism gets worse and worse each year over there. The blogger effect for the loss.
 

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Notre Dame's Kelly Must Go

By Jason POS

There are some mistakes coaches can’t survive. Brian Kelly made one Wednesday.

Declan Sullivan

Declan Sullivan.
The Notre Dame Observer

Before Notre Dame reaches a financial settlement with the family of Declan Sullivan, the 20-year-old videographer who died in a tragic practice accident, the school must sever ties with its first-year head football coach.

Kelly should not coach the Irish on Saturday when they take on Tulsa.

We don’t need a thorough and exhaustive investigation to recognize Kelly’s negligence. A coach’s most important job, particularly at the amateur level, is to take every reasonable precaution to ensure the safety of the young people under his control.

Kelly failed in the worst way possible.

In recent years, Notre Dame dismissed Bob Davie, Tyrone Willingham and Charlie Weis for failing to win enough games. The school canned George O’Leary for exaggerating on his resume.

Those "crimes" pale in comparison to allowing student managers to go up in 50-foot-tall lifts to film practice in hazardous wind conditions.

Mitigating circumstances do not matter. Notre Dame’s video coordinator should not be held responsible. Declan Sullivan, who tweeted before and during practice the weather conditions were terrifying and life threatening, certainly isn’t to blame.

The head football coach has final say over everything that transpires on the practice field. Everything. That’s why Ohio State’s Jim Tressel moved the Buckeyes’ practice inside on Tuesday when wind gusts made conditions unsafe.

“I don’t know if we’ll be inside or out,” Tressel told Ohio reporters 24 hours before the Notre Dame tragedy. “It looks a little nasty. I worry about our cameramen, their well-being up there 50 feet in the air.”

That’s the proper mindset of a head football coach. He’s paranoid about everything.

On Tuesday, Kelly and the Irish practiced indoors because of the wind. On Wednesday, Kelly chose to take the Irish out into the elements. Coaches love to say, “If we’re going to play in the North Pole, we’re going to practice in the North Pole.”

TRAGIC SPORTS DEATHS
Sports has lost many athletes way too soon. We list a few.

That’s fine for the players. Student videographers don’t film games from 50-foot lifts on Saturdays. Not to mention lifts of the kind that aren’t recommended for use in winds above 25 mph.

Kelly’s negligence is inexcusable. He ignored the risks. Notre Dame should treat Kelly like a drunk driver whose negligent behavior killed a passenger or another driver. An apology and a financial settlement are not enough.

Please do not read this as a demonization of Brian Kelly.

Having been young and stupid, I know how people make the mistake of drinking and driving. When I read about a drunk-driving tragedy, I have sympathy for all parties involved.

Having played college football and worked with coaches most of my life, I know how Kelly made this mistake. His team is soft. He wanted to test his players mentally and physically in difficult conditions and he wanted to grade the test on tape.

I get it. And I get that he’s experiencing terrible emotional pain.

But there are some mistakes coaches just can’t make without suffering stiff repercussions. This is one.


CONTACT JASON WHITLOCK

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This is worse than a recruiting violation or a sex scandal or even academic fraud. This is a 20-year-old kid who lost his life when he absolutely didn’t have to. This is a fundamental failure.

Notre Dame and athletic director Jack Swarbrick have no choice but to remove Kelly from his position. On Thursday, during a news conference, Swarbrick seemed most interested in making sure he retained his job and minimizing the public-relations damage.

Swarbrick made it clear that he was at practice less than four or five minutes before the lift holding Sullivan fell over. Swarbrick told reporters that he was on a conference call before he walked over to practice ? the inference being he wasn’t there long enough to tell Sullivan to come down from the lift.

Swarbrick then suggested the winds gusted with an unprecedented ferocity, leading to the accident that killed Sullivan.

“Things started flying by me that otherwise had been stationary for all of practice,” Swarbrick said. “Gatorade containers, towels, etc. I noticed the netting on the goal posts start to bend dramatically, and I heard a crash.”

How does Swarbrick know what was “stationary for all of practice” if he only arrived four or five minutes before the crash? And given the weather reports for that part of northern Indiana on Wednesday, it’s ridiculous for Swarbrick to suggest the 50-mph wind gusts were surprising.

Notre Dame might need a new coach and AD.

Thanks for posting TT. ...Whitlock did not overtly play the race card ?? Mark the date !

I shudder to think what he'd have written should the kid have been of any other ethnicity. As circumstances would have it, there really isn't an opening for the race card here...However it is Notre Dame...something of virtue and good in the world...and Whitlock is both apologist for the rampantly perverse and ugly, as well as the antagonist for anything good and virtuous.

...sad thing is...opportunties abound for him to weigh in on programs that might benefit from his Ire...who might ultimately be uplifted...but there really isn't an audience for that now is there...and Whitlock really isn't interested in helping anyone, or safety, or anything else beneficial. He knows Notre Dame sells...he knows racially charged material sells...he knows negative sells....Two out of three ain't bad right...so here we are.

Whitlock's writing deserves a shoulder shrug...a chuckle...maybe a pat on the head...maybe a prayer...

I know the administration will be guided by their own principles in determining the correct course of action. The day Notre Dame is moved by anything Whitlock, ESPN, and that ilk puke onto paper is the day I'll be playing hockey with the Lucifer under a sky full of flying Donkeys.
 

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This is f$%^ing outrageous! Jason Whitlock is the one that needs to lose his job for writing this piece of garbage. I cannot believe someone as dub as Whitlock had the nerve to write this story. This is a sad, sad tagedy for sure, but there is no way BK can be considered responsible for it and for him to lose his job. Imagine how BK is feeling right now? A member of his ND family died in a tragic accident, and I am sure just by his poisition that he feels bad, but to have a reporter like this be allowed to write this article is just wrong.
 

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Pretty much everyone's post have summed up my opinions of that article. Just an article that he knows will get attention. The way everyone is posting in this thread is exactly what he likes. If he written "Yesterday was a tragic event, something that no one could have predicted etc etc...." then none of us would have commented. I have never read any of his stuff, but from everyone's responses, he seems to be a Debbie Downer Tool.

Im on to the next one, on to the next.
 

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This is a sad, sad tagedy for sure, but there is no way BK can be considered responsible for it and for him to lose his job..

only if he had made some type of directive that the filming was to be done regardless of the obvious dangers. if he did this......or if anyone else did this, then, yes, said person should be deemed entirely to stupid to work for notre dame.

its bad enough that (apparantly) nobody thought to stop the lifts from going up, but much worse if someone said they needed to be up there on that day.
 
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this is the 2nd person that is considered part of the team to die this yea. I hope there is not a third one
 

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The media is making Kelly out to be some sort of soulless monster.

Some points:

1. How in the world would Brian Kelly know the safety regulations of scissor lifts?
2. Could Brian Kelly have assumed the necessary safety procedures would be taken with Declan Sullivan?
3. Why didn't Sullivan let himself down?
 

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It is like the guy said on tv today they should have had a written procedure of these lifts the do's and do nots and this would not have happened.
 

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The media is making Kelly out to be some sort of soulless monster.

Some points:

1. How in the world would Brian Kelly know the safety regulations of scissor lifts?
2. Could Brian Kelly have assumed the necessary safety procedures would be taken with Declan Sullivan?
3. Why didn't Sullivan let himself down?

This isn't the Military where the General gets canned when the minions screw up...and even then it is normally an act of political lunacy perpetrated by the clowns in DC...BK is fine...JS is fine.

Normally operations for such equipment and procedures are overseen by other than the HC. The fact that tressel said anything about his was likely because his guy was in his ear 30 seconds before the interview...and it was something to say that sounded good...if any of you actually think Tressel knows the regs, and safety measures associated with the lift...you've been struck in the gord.

Of course Kelly assumes some adult was in charge and doing the necessary maintenance and implementing the safety procedures...

...not sure if that lift had controls in the basket or not...maybe he could have...I don't know. However if it happened like swarbrick says...he'd have had no chance...I realize he said he was scared...but I've been in them, and I'm scared with a small breeze...they move, sway, etc in the wind...even a 5mph wind.

short of Kelly himslef ordering it...nothing to see here.

RIP Declan...sad ND community is faced with these issues, and we've not burried the kid yet...
 

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While I don't agree with what Whitlock wrote and I do agree with what many of you have already said...I wouldn't be surprised if Kelly does get fired b/c of this incident. Someone made the analogy earlier about Obama being kicked out of office for his f ups. IMO this is a poor analogy to the Sullivan case. "Kicking the president out of office," (impeaching) is probably one of the hardest tasks to accomplish in this time; see Clinton and Bush II, if those two couldn't get impeached, it will take much worse than ignoring the public opinion and consistently lying to the public.

The more apt comparison is a manager of a large staff. Anyone that has been in a management position knows that when results aren't being obtained by the staff, the easiest thing to do is to fire the person in charge and if a person under you makes a serious mistake the manager is held accountable too.

Correct me if I am wrong (and I know someone will!), BK hasn't spoken publicly about this incident since it happened...cancelled his radio show and cancelled post practice interviews yesterday and has been unavailable today. BK (and his staff) cost a young man his life, will cost the university millions of dollars in OSHA fines and the university a lot more embarrassment than losing on the field. In our society, people look for scapegoats whenever something goes wrong. Just read any of Whitlock's other articles, someone is always to blame in his opinion and someone should always be fired in his opinion. I would guess he thought Ron Washington should have been fired 6 months ago and look where the Texas Rangers are now.

Let's wait until we have all (at least more) of the facts before we rush to judgement, we'll know more about this as each day goes by. But in the end, I would be surprised if Swarbrick hasn't at least considered this...
 

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I fear the worst in all of this. The fact Kelly hasn't said anything other than a quick statement issued immediately after the incident is very suspicious to me. Why wasn't he at the press conference and don't tell me it is because we are playing Tulsa on Saturday. A kid died because of the decision to practice outside. I am pretty sure we all know whose decision it was to do that. Also, the fact that Tressel made the comment the day before the incident tells me if Kelley wasn't thinking of issues like this, he should have been.
 
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