On defending Navy's attack

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We are going to dominate them defensively. Take that to the bank. I'm calling for a shutout.
 
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Nice find Legacy... I do however feel bad for the guy who wrote that. Seems like he spent alot of time into that article. Passionate or not about what he does, anyone with a decent knowledge of football knows how the option works. I was getting annoyed just reading it. Oh well, I think BK will prepare our D to stop the option and Carlo/Manti will stop the FB. Excited to watch saturday!

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dboe34 said:
Nice find Legacy... I do however feel bad for the guy who wrote that. Seems like he spent alot of time into that article. Passionate or not about what he does, anyone with a decent knowledge of football knows how the option works. I was getting annoyed just reading it. Oh well, I think BK will prepare our D to stop the option and Carlo/Manti will stop the FB. Excited to watch saturday!

GO IRISH!
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I don't think it took Coach too long to write it, he's a good guy too.

I think you'll find that a lot of people don't know a whole ton about the option or at least people have differing views on how to defend it and what exactly we'll see from Dobbs & Co.

For example, according to Coach, Te'o and Calabrese will not be charged with stopping the Navy fullback. Diaco may indeed have them do that and responsibilities could change in game...so we'll see.
 
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Triple is easy to defend if you scheme it right.

Good CB tackling w/ solid safety support in the alley is all you really ndeed. Let your big guys make plays and then wrap up.
 
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Wabash, when are we going to get your video analysis of our linemen? Liked that last year.
 
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We are going to dominate them defensively. Take that to the bank. I'm calling for a shutout.
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Anyone see the Maryland game? Who else did they play. I shutout is not out of the question, if we get continued improved performance, "the game" out of Ian Williams, and don't have to load the box to stop the run. The minute that we would have to bring db's up to stop the run, they will throw over us. Also, if the O gets off to a fast start, well, that's the D's best friend!
 
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Rocket89 said:
I don't think it took Coach too long to write it, he's a good guy too.......For example, according to Coach, Te'o and Calabrese will not be charged with stopping the Navy fullback. Diaco may indeed have them do that and responsibilities could change in game...so we'll see.
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I thought his article was informative. Only thing I have experienced in the past that is different than the article is concerning the DE's responsibility on a option play. I have always known the DE's responsibility on an option play is to force the QB to make the decision sooner than later. The DE should **take out, not crash down, but take out the QB on an option play. Forcing him either to give up the ball, or to run, but the key is to make him make the decision sooner than he wants to. When DE applies pressure and forces the QB to make a decision, the defense is dictating how the offense is ran. Once that happens, the defense has a good chance of imposing their will at the point of attack. An intimidated QB may pitch the ball sooner, which might mean a longer pitch, or maybe he gives it to FB too early and the play is snuffed out at the line by the defense.

**the option is a DE's dream, he gets to hit the QB as hard as he can while the QB is looking to option pitch the ball. Alot of the time a DE is tasked with containment, but on an option-play, containment goes out the window and he gets a free shot on the QB - they need to make it count. not too many times on the football field a DE gets a free blast on an unprotected QB, and the fact he is running the ball means he is fair game.
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Triple is easy to defend if you scheme it right.

Good CB tackling w/ solid safety support in the alley is all you really ndeed. Let your big guys make plays and then wrap up.
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I tend to think defending the triple option is tricky to say the least. A good option can easily rack up over 200+ yards rushing, 5 yards at a time. In addition to good run support from your secondary, you need communication among the defense. The front 7 needs to know what is being done to them schemetically, because much like picks in basketball, the option creates opportunites that in addition to blocking defenders, it will also shield defenders from making tackles. When ran correctly, and navy does a really good job of it, a good option attack can stymie a defense. it can make a defense look like they are not good tacklers when in fact they are.

more so than most games, good positioning and fundamentals (wrap up tackles, occupy blockers, etc) will go a long way in defending the option.
 
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i expect a solid performance from the d but i dont believe its easy to defend
 
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One thing I will look for is how often each team will try to change what they are doing - something just mentioned in the article - alignment changes, switching blocking assignments by Navy by the SB and WR, counters and changing gap responsibilities by the Irish. If I remember right, a couple of years ago ND adjusted space between the D-lineman, and shut Navy down.

Every DE must be slamming Dobbs. Must be a tough, smart kid. Dobbs passer rating last year vs. ND - 333! 2-3 with 1 TD. Grrr!
 
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TDHeysus said:
the key is to make him make the decision sooner than he wants to.
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Step 1

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the option is a DE's dream, he gets to hit the QB as hard as he can while the QB is looking to option - they need to make it count. .
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Step 2

Agree Tripple Option is tricky...it takes some scheme, but near perfect defensive execution every time its run. And the chances of being perfect...ehh, not so high.

The other component that makes up for lacking perfection...STEP 2.

I've been frustrated that we have not absolutely Slobberknocked the Navy QB...Really, there just is no excuse for the guy to play the entire game against Notre Dame...he should pay DEARLY every time the option is run, and he doesn't choose option 1. There was a time when that was true...I always expect it to be true...I'm hoping it will be true again starting this week.

You want that shutout...Step 2 til the backup is in...funny what happens to the option when the #2 QB comes in...
 
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Rocket89 said:
I don't think it took Coach too long to write it, he's a good guy too.

I think you'll find that a lot of people don't know a whole ton about the option or at least people have differing views on how to defend it and what exactly we'll see from Dobbs & Co.

For example, according to Coach, Te'o and Calabrese will not be charged with stopping the Navy fullback. Diaco may indeed have them do that and responsibilities could change in game...so we'll see.
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I understand that some people don't know a whole lot so that is why it is a good find. Me relating to personally experiencing the same attack over several years frustrated me. I was one that played the role of middle backer against this and for some damn reason my only assignment was stop the FB. Lets just say that the end result was fail. Not on my end but the adjustments needing to be made by our coach during game time. I get just as heated while watching teams against it.

I do however want to say that this was the first article by Coach and I was quite impressed by his breakdown. I am not on par with how often he writes these articles etc. I would like to read a lot more of these writing week in and week out. Smart man in my opinion.
 
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We are fortunate that we have one of the nation's best players in the position most important for this: Ian Williams. Root-hog 'em, big man!!
 
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dboe34 said:
I understand that some people don't know a whole lot so that is why it is a good find. Me relating to personally experiencing the same attack over several years frustrated me. I was one that played the role of middle backer against this and for some damn reason my only assignment was stop the FB. Lets just say that the end result was fail. Not on my end but the adjustments needing to be made by our coach during game time. I get just as heated while watching teams against it.

I do however want to say that this was the first article by Coach and I was quite impressed by his breakdown. I am not on par with how often he writes these articles etc. I would like to read a lot more of these writing week in and week out. Smart man in my opinion.
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Check out the archives for two or three other posts by Coach. He's written some already on the D-line and linebacker responsibilites so far, pretty good stuff.

...That is if you haven't read the others. Wasn't sure if this was the first you read or the first that you were impressed with.
 
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If the triple option as easy to defend than Navy would be 0-12 year after year. You know it's coming and it's still successful. Unlike the spread and certain pro style offenses that feature numerous options on every snap, you only face 3 on most Navy snaps. They are good at what they do and what they do is very basic with mid-level talent.
 
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Well said

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Calling for a shutout is wildly optimistic. The biggest problem is that Navy is much more experienced at running their triple option attack than ND is at defending against it. For ND to hold down the run game of Navy will require ND to be as disciplined as Navy so ND's advantage in skill and size will be the difference.
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If the triple option as easy to defend than Navy would be 0-12 year after year. You know it's coming and it's still successful. Unlike the spread and certain pro style offenses that feature numerous options on every snap, you only face 3 on most Navy snaps. They are good at what they do and what they do is very basic with mid-level talent.
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Irish Man3 said:
If the triple option as easy to defend than Navy would be 0-12 year after year. You know it's coming and it's still successful. Unlike the spread and certain pro style offenses that feature numerous options on every snap, you only face 3 on most Navy snaps. They are good at what they do and what they do is very basic with mid-level talent.
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fundamental, well coached, disciplined football still wins games.
 
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