So USC is better than we thought...

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...Defense...The talent is there, but they need to stop shooting themselves in the foot.

The talent is there on offense, but not on defense. they are descimated at LB, super thin at DL, and their secondary is a step behind in coverage. I have also seen their secondary take horrible angles, and miss tackles.

the game will need to be a shootout in order for ND to win. But i think ND has a chance, its not a foregone conclusion that USC will win.
 

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USC is exactly what i thought they would be

Sloppy on D
Weak Secondary
No Depth at O-line
Bad coaches

They got athletes and weapons on offense

Also we are not USC's bowl game, thats UCLA
plus they now have 2 losses for a team that has nothing to play for and are loaded with players who have had their effort questioned in public
 

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USC is very good and getting better offensively. Barkley is a stud, the usual stable of RBs, big talented OL, and a stable of WRs including a superstar in the making in true frosh Woods. Defense is where the problems lie. The talent is there, but they need to stop shooting themselves in the foot. The secondary is the real weak area, but boneheaded plays/penalties killed them last night.

Bottom line, USC did not almost win that game because Stanford was down, they almost won because they are a good team. ND will have its hands full next month.

USC has played ONE good game all year, and that was last night in a game in which they made Stanford punt only one time. They are not just bad defensively, they are almost all-time USC bad defensively. Just ask their own fans.

If SC is such a good team, explain to me how they scored only 17 points against a putrid Virginia team, at home, in a 17-14 win. Explain how they gave up 36 pts and over 600 yds of defense against a bad Hawaii team that ND shut out a year and a half ago. Explain to me how they were losing in the 3rd quarter against a Minnesota team that is so bad that they lost to a football subdivision team from friggin Dakota. Explain to me how they lost a UW team, at home, that lost to a 1-4 BYU team and got humiliated against Nebraska (now THAT is a good football team). Jake Locker has sucked this year, but they turned him right back into the top overall pick in the draft. (newsflash...good teams don't do that).

I get the feeling that you saw SC play for the first time last night. Yes, they looked good, very good offensively, but they have been a mediocre to a bad team all year long. Just ask their own coach, who has been pissed after every single win. Their defense was 99th in the nation going into last night's game, and that was after they played 4 HORRIBLE teams and one somewhat decent team (UW). You can say they are a good offense, but in no way are they a good team.

And as for last night and the rest of their season, they finally got up for a team, which was a HUGE game for them for 2 reasons: 1. they are staring into the meat of their schedule and desperately needed the game, and 2. Harballs rubbed it in last year with the 2 point conversation, and he basically owns SC. They had Stanford coming off 2 highly emotional and physical games, and a letdown was easy to predict. SC played their best game of the season, and they STILL lost.

See, the reason you have people calling you a troll is that you are overly praising an undeserving SC team and looking for reasons to downgrade yesterday's win (sorry but Riddick's play was not a pick. I won't even get into the reasons why here).

I agree that SC will give us all we can handle, but everything else you are saying about them is just wrong, especially about Oregon being their bowl game (UCLA and ND are bigger games for them, sorry). Watch them lay down and lose at least 2-3 more games this year...at least.
 

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THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!!

......and we let 'em off the hook!!
 

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A couple of things

A couple of things

I agree that SC will give us all we can handle, but everything else you are saying about them is just wrong, especially about Oregon being their bowl game (UCLA and ND are bigger games for them, sorry). Watch them lay down and lose at least 2-3 more games this year...at least.

Yes, UCLA is their rival, but beating them this year is no big deal, while beating UofO would be a very big deal, that is why I called it their bowl game.

See, the reason you have people calling you a troll is that you are overly praising an undeserving SC team and looking for reasons to downgrade yesterday's win

I have seen parts of three USC games this year, so you are wrong in that assumption. This is talented team that is getting better offensively, as last night's game showed.

BTW, how did I downgrade yesterday's win over Pitt?

(sorry but Riddick's play was not a pick. I won't even get into the reasons why here).

Riddick deviated from his route to interfere with the defender as was clearly shown on replay. That's a pick and therefore a penalty. It was the right call. He will learn how to pick off defenders on plays like that better in the future, but that time he screwed up.
 

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THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!!

......and we let 'em off the hook!!

Crist even stated after the game in the post interview that Pitt had made halftime adjustments and that we (Irish) need to be better at making halftime adjustments.


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lookingdeadred:

You do seem a little trollish... Just thought I'd let you know what I think.

(Location, bad rep, trojan reference, downgrading ND as USC's bowl game vs. the Oregon game, Stanford would rather beat USC than Cal. possibly in Harbaugh's mind, etc.)

Lookingdeadred is the truth, though. The red of USC is certainly resembling that of a dying soon to be dead program. **** USC.

That is all. (I wouldn't expect a Stanford fan in here. They are classier than that last I checked. A real fan calls out their affiliation, such as Go Blue.[ The /\/\ guy ])
 
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Yes, UCLA is their rival, but beating them this year is no big deal, while beating UofO would be a very big deal, that is why I called it their bowl game.



I have seen parts of three USC games this year, so you are wrong in that assumption. This is talented team that is getting better offensively, as last night's game showed.

BTW, how did I downgrade yesterday's win over Pitt?

You've seen parts of 3 games, and that makes you think they are a good team. I've seen all 6 games, and I know they are not a good team. The eyeball test says it, and the stats say it.

Let's put it this way...do you think that last year's ND team was a good team? We had a glorious offense; Clausen, Floyd, Tate, Rudolph. Just sick. And we had a horrible defense. We went 6-6. We were not a good team.

Now look at SC's team. Very good offense (at times...scoring 17 against a bad Virginia team isn't good at all), very bad defense. In fact, even worse than ND's defense last year, and they've played ONE good team all year! But you say they are a good team???? What am I missing???

If you're willing to concede that you believe that ND's team last year was a good team, then I'll understand what you know/believe about football and we'll just agree to disagree. But if you think ND wasn't a very good team last year (which we weren't), then for the life of me I can't figure out how you think SC is a good team...
 

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I have seen parts of three USC games this year, so you are wrong in that assumption. This is talented team that is getting better offensively, as last night's game showed.

BTW, how did I downgrade yesterday's win over Pitt?

You've seen parts of 3 games, and that makes you think they are a good team. I've seen all 6 games, and I know they are not a good team. The eyeball test says it, and the stats say it.

Let's put it this way...do you think that last year's ND team was a good team? We had a glorious offense; Clausen, Floyd, Tate, Rudolph. Just sick. And we had a horrible defense. We went 6-6. We were not a good team.

Now look at SC's team. Very good offense (at times...scoring 17 against a bad Virginia team isn't good at all), very bad defense. In fact, even worse than ND's defense last year, and they've played ONE good team all year! But you say they are a good team???? What am I missing???

If you're willing to concede that you believe that ND's team last year was a good team, then I'll understand what you know/believe about football and we'll just agree to disagree. But if you think ND wasn't a very good team last year (which we weren't), then for the life of me I can't figure out how you think SC is a good team...

EDIT: You called them a 'very good' team, which makes your argument even more flawed.
 

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I have called out my affiliation ... ND

I have called out my affiliation ... ND

but since I am not spouting the party line, at least what some here want the party line to be, I am accused of not being a ND fan. Now you seem to imply that I am a Stanford fan? Stinkin thinkin. It is possible for ND fans to disagree. It is possible for ND fans to live in CA (I am clearly not the only one), yet I seem to be the only one under suspicion.
lookingdeadred:

You do seem a little trollish... Just thought I'd let you know what I think.

(Location, bad rep, trojan reference, downgrading ND as USC's bowl game vs. the Oregon game, Stanford would rather beat USC than Cal. possibly in Harbaugh's mind, etc.)

Lookingdeadred is the truth, though. The red of USC is certainly resembling that of a dying soon to be dead program. **** USC.

That is all. (I wouldn't expect a Stanford fan in here. They are classier than that last I checked. A real fan calls out their affiliation, such as Go Blue.[ The /\/\ guy ])
 

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I guess we'll find out in November. USC clearly has some problems but, then again, so do we. Overall, I like our trajectory a whole lot more than USC's. No reason to argue about a game that's over a month away.
 
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Actually you completely blew it as far as inference goes. I said I wouldn't expect to see a Stanford fan in here.
 

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but since I am not spouting the party line, at least what some here want the party line to be, I am accused of not being a ND fan. Now you seem to imply that I am a Stanford fan? Stinkin thinkin. It is possible for ND fans to disagree. It is possible for ND fans to live in CA (I am clearly not the only one), yet I seem to be the only one under suspicion.

guys like you amaze me. you come on the site and completely take the opposite viewpoint of everything -- you don't involve yourselves in the little things that make this site enjoyable, like debating who should start at RB or who will emerge on defense in the second half of the year. No. You just want to come on a ND site and continuously say that ND sucks and ND isn't making any improvement. Even though everyone on this site has watched every game and has seen the progress, you insist that your observations are correct and theirs are not. Why would a guy do that?

I'll tell you why -- because you are a troll. And the worst kind of troll at that. You goes on and on with the same old garbage arguments until you annoy the **** out of everyone. Then, the moment someone complains act as if you are being unfairly portrayed for giving your opinion.

Well, here's a little advice. If you want to droan on about how much ND sucks, then go on a Michigan or a USC board. There you will be the freakin bell of the ball. Here, you are just an argumentative asshat who gets on everyone's nerves.
 

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guys like you amaze me. you come on the site and completely take the opposite viewpoint of everything -- you don't involve yourselves in the little things that make this site enjoyable, like debating who should start at RB or who will emerge on defense in the second half of the year. No. You just want to come on a ND site and continuously say that ND sucks and ND isn't making any improvement. Even though everyone on this site has watched every game and has seen the progress, you insist that your observations are correct and theirs are not. Why would a guy do that?

I'll tell you why -- because you are a troll. And the worst kind of troll at that. You goes on and on with the same old garbage arguments until you annoy the **** out of everyone. Then, the moment someone complains act as if you are being unfairly portrayed for giving your opinion.

Well, here's a little advice. If you want to droan on about how much ND sucks, then go on a Michigan or a USC board. There you will be the freakin bell of the ball. Here, you are just an argumentative asshat who gets on everyone's nerves.

Boom.
 

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I think that SC, as of this year, has the horses to still cause some noise. I think that with each weak they are falling more and more off because of the disarray the programs in, and how inept Kiffy is. Another loss, which will come at the hands of Oregon, will send SC into a tailspin.

The Reggie Bush/ Pete Carrole debacle + the hiring of Lane Kiffin= the perfect storm that will destroy the SC program for years.

If Pete would have stayed, SC couldve weathered the storm.

If Pete left the program in a good spot, Kiffy would probably win a few games but slowly fizzle out like Larry Coker.

But, combined, SC is a disaster.
 

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Where have I said ND sucks?

Where have I said ND sucks?

Please find one example.

guys like you amaze me. you come on the site and completely take the opposite viewpoint of everything -- you don't involve yourselves in the little things that make this site enjoyable, like debating who should start at RB or who will emerge on defense in the second half of the year. No. You just want to come on a ND site and continuously say that ND sucks and ND isn't making any improvement. Even though everyone on this site has watched every game and has seen the progress, you insist that your observations are correct and theirs are not. Why would a guy do that?

I'll tell you why -- because you are a troll. And the worst kind of troll at that. You goes on and on with the same old garbage arguments until you annoy the **** out of everyone. Then, the moment someone complains act as if you are being unfairly portrayed for giving your opinion.

Well, here's a little advice. If you want to droan on about how much ND sucks, then go on a Michigan or a USC board. There you will be the freakin bell of the ball. Here, you are just an argumentative asshat who gets on everyone's nerves.
 

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Please find one example.

I'm still waiting for you to respond to this:
You've seen parts of 3 games, and that makes you think they are a good team. I've seen all 6 games, and I know they are not a good team. The eyeball test says it, and the stats say it.

Let's put it this way...do you think that last year's ND team was a good team? We had a glorious offense; Clausen, Floyd, Tate, Rudolph. Just sick. And we had a horrible defense. We went 6-6. We were not a good team.

Now look at SC's team. Very good offense (at times...scoring 17 against a bad Virginia team isn't good at all), very bad defense. In fact, even worse than ND's defense last year, and they've played ONE good team all year! But you say they are a good team???? What am I missing???

If you're willing to concede that you believe that ND's team last year was a good team, then I'll understand what you know/believe about football and we'll just agree to disagree. But if you think ND wasn't a very good team last year (which we weren't), then for the life of me I can't figure out how you think SC is a good team...

EDIT: You called them a 'very good' team, which makes your argument even more flawed.

You responded to everyone else, but not this. Explain to me how SC is 'very good', when they are ND 2009 part 2 excpet THEY'RE DEFENSE IS EVEN WORSE (statistically)! Just reply to the above post logically, and I'll be cool.

But it's been over a day, so I highly doubt it's coming.
 

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USC is still talented and a pretty good football team. It should be a good game when we face them. I think this could be a winnable game for us as long as we continue to improve as a team. It's still several weeks away, so we have a shot to get ready for them. As I see it the true test for us lies with Utah. That will tell us how far we have come.
 

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I said USC is very good offensively

I said USC is very good offensively

I did not say USC is very good. I believe I said: "USC is very good and getting better offensively." In other words, they have a very good offense and it is getting better. The team has too many issues on the defensive side of the ball to be called a very good team. That said, I believe Monte Kiffin will straighten the problems on defense out and this team will be very tough, but hopefully that won't happen until 2011.

Does that clarify things for you?

I'm still waiting for you to respond to this:


You responded to everyone else, but not this. Explain to me how SC is 'very good', when they are ND 2009 part 2 excpet THEY'RE DEFENSE IS EVEN WORSE (statistically)! Just reply to the above post logically, and I'll be cool.

But it's been over a day, so I highly doubt it's coming.
 

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I did not say USC is very good. I believe I said: "USC is very good and getting better offensively." In other words, they have a very good offense and it is getting better. The team has too many issues on the defensive side of the ball to be called a very good team. That said, I believe Monte Kiffin will straighten the problems on defense out and this team will be very tough, but hopefully that won't happen until 2011.

Does that clarify things for you?

If you typed USC is very good and getting better offensively, but meant to type they have a very good offense and it is getting better, why didn't you state that from the beginning? BTW, I didn't notice you bashing ND, so I'll defend you there.
 

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I don't put any stock in Monty Kiffin as a defensive coordinator in the college ranks yet. He was a very good defensive coach in the NFL but it has not translated to this level. He is very good at defending the pro-style offensive minds but struggles against the spread. He did last year at Tennessee and he has this year at USC.

I think the game will be a shootout which bothers me because of how inconsistent we have been thus far. We have plenty of time before we face USC to get our offense on track. However, on the defensive side of the ball, do any of you think we have been able to stop the roll out this year? Matt Barkely runs the bootleg as well as anyone in the country and has an outstanding group of recievers. Its going to be a very difficult game in the Colliseum.
 

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Could I have phrased it better?

Could I have phrased it better?

Yes. When I wrote it I thought it was clear that I was talking only about their offense. In retrospect, I can see how someone could see that as a statement that USC is a very good team.

If you typed USC is very good and getting better offensively, but meant to type they have a very good offense and it is getting better, why didn't you state that from the beginning?

Thanks for that, IrishinFL, I do appreciate it. Just because I say something somewhat positive about a rival like USC, does not mean I think ND sucks, or that I am a USC fan. For the record, I am in NorCal, not USC territory by any stretch.
BTW, I didn't notice you bashing ND, so I'll defend you there.
 

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must be someone's time of the month....good grief!!! relax on the whole...undercover, it is a spy ...must be Lane Kiffin disguising himself as a ND person to get some undercover information....and to think....this is a group of "grown up" people?????
 
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Kiffin's comin on this site to get undercover info, and I really am Knute Rockne.

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I did not say USC is very good. I believe I said: "USC is very good and getting better offensively." In other words, they have a very good offense and it is getting better. The team has too many issues on the defensive side of the ball to be called a very good team. That said, I believe Monte Kiffin will straighten the problems on defense out and this team will be very tough, but hopefully that won't happen until 2011.

Does that clarify things for you?

If you had said that from the beginning nothing more would have been said from me. But look at your very first sentence above: "I did not say USC was very good. I said USC was very good and getting better offensively." I mean, you seriously wonder why I think that you think USC is very good???

I have no idea why you argued with me in the first place then. My whole premise was that SC was not a very good football team, and finally, after all this drama, you admit that they aren't a very good football team, which is exactly what I said from the beginning!

As for pointing out ND's problems, I have no problem with it personally. But when you rip on ND (or whatever you did) and overly praise USC, you shouldn't be surprised when other members call you a troll...
 

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Show me a post where I ripped on ND

Show me a post where I ripped on ND

Seriously, find one post where I ripped ND. You and another have stated that, but cannot produce anything to back it up. You get on my case for saying something you thought was outrageous, and then turn around and do the same yourself.

As for the USC is a very good football team nonsense, I admitted I might have said what I wanted to say more clearly, but you cannot admit that you could have been wrong in how you interpreted what I said?

If you had said that from the beginning nothing more would have been said from me. But look at your very first sentence above: "I did not say USC was very good. I said USC was very good and getting better offensively." I mean, you seriously wonder why I think that you think USC is very good???

I have no idea why you argued with me in the first place then. My whole premise was that SC was not a very good football team, and finally, after all this drama, you admit that they aren't a very good football team, which is exactly what I said from the beginning!

As for pointing out ND's problems, I have no problem with it personally. But when you rip on ND (or whatever you did) and overly praise USC, you shouldn't be surprised when other members call you a troll...
 
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