Reasons to Keep/Fire Weis

[BGIF]

oh be careful, the Weis mafia moderators will hide this thread or bury it and reprimand you for such provacative speech.

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No posts were hidden nor buried. Repetitive posts were simply merged into similar threads already posted in the last 24 hours. Just like this one is going to be merged.

And when they get merged they aren't hidden. The merged thread appears at the top of the Front Page and on the new posts list.

It been a practice on this board to reduce clutter on the front page with repetitive posts for more than the 4 years I've been associated with this board.

In the past 40 hours the mods have merged, deleted, and mangaged more than 2 dozens superfluous threads. Those actions were taken by moderators with varying viewpoints on coaching and execution. They have a common interest in ND and in trying to keep the board readable and civil.

Better than 95% of the posters comply with the board's structure. But there are those that refuse. They've been getting warnings and a number have been granted sabbaticals.


As was posted earlier by one mod to a poster regarding such superfluous posts:

Listen, you sound like an only child who is in desparate need of attention. Screaming, cursing, etc. You started a thread that has already been started 15 times. Why didn't you just put this into one of those numerous threads?

 

[leahy's lads]

Jon Gruden

finally.........an irish fan that has some pride and some desire to resurrect a program that has been tarnished..........amen to you, sir!


how anyone can defend weis is beyond me!!

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I'm not defending Weis, but is it possible that this is a result of Navy getting better, instead of it being ALL about ND getting that much worse?

I was actually surprised to hear from an ardent "real life" ND supporter calling for CW's head on the phone. He knows his shit and is the ultimate optimist and "doer" and has acheived results all his life. Dude is pissed.

Game was fugly.

One more year my friends. Then let's blast the mofo coaching staff all we can. Blast them. But wait one more year.

 

[irishfan]

Well, youre where I was a year ago. I started piecing together the evidence and you know what I figured out? Hes a fraud.

He is a offensive coordinator that makes us all think the best is yet to come because we love watching passes. Wow, look at all those passes. Wow 350 yards passing. All those weapons and stats.

It has made us forget that the defense is terrible. Terrible. ranked in the 100's. Special teams are terrible. Nobody ever talks about the droppoff in special teams play at Notre Dame. Remember when guys would return punts and kickoffs for TDs? Now that only gets done to us. Punters both cant kick 30 yards.

Running game has been a joke. Somebody argued with me that 3.7 yards a carry was respectable and did so in a serious manner. We couldnt run on Navy. Our line was 60 lbs per man bigger and we ran for 60 yards.

Weis builds 3 man teams. QB and 2 receivers. Did it with Tys players, did it with his players.

We had 3.9 yards a carry against Navy, so we ran pretty well. It's just stupid to run the ball when you're down by 2 scores the whole game to a triple option team. Weis has recruited 3 kickers, 1 punter, and 1 longsnapper, so he clearly has made the effort to improve the special teams. Under Weis, ND has scored more special teams TDs than they have given up. I don't think people are that fascinated with the pass, but I think its more the fact that he is arguably the best playcaller in college football (I can't think of a better one).

 

[Sam Crow]

Its time for a change.

 

[TDHeysus]

Weis Haters, stand up and be counted!!!

Weis Haters, stand up and be counted!!!

without just acknowledging it, and then going in on bash weis about anything under the sun you can think of; lets get specific. I want a Weis hater to tell me what Weis should done different on saturday. Please directly answer my questions:

What specifically should CW have done to prevent clausen getting his bell rung and fumbling?
What specifically should CW have done to prevent the ball from hitting Floyds back?
What specifically should CW have done to make Tausch, after hitting 14 str8, not miss those 2 FG's?
What specifically should Weis have done to prevent the fumble on the first drive?

those 5 plays were the game. period. and its all on the players.


Answer these questions to convince me to think it was a coaching problem why NAvy won. No fluff, come with facts specfically about what happen on the field saturday, and what could have been done to alter the outcome in the above specific scenarios. Make me believe that weis is the problem, this is your chance to address the facts. please stay on topic and answer the questions directly...i cant wait for one you mensa members(weis haters) to set me straight. I bet you CANT. I'm sure you'll bring in some other shit(past records, etc, etc), that doesnt have anything to do with my specific questions. Again, stay on topic please. Tell me what Weis could done on the field Saturday to change the outcome.

dont skirt the issues.....bring it

 

[DCirishfan]

Reasons to keep:

Recruiting

Reasons to fire:

Common sense and a thread of respect for Notre Dame football oh and common sense

 

[DCirishfan]

without just acknowledging it, and then going in on bash weis about anything under the sun you can think of; lets get specific. I want a Weis hater to tell me what Weis should done different on saturday. Please directly answer my questions:

What specifically should CW have done to prevent clausen getting his bell rung and fumbling?
What specifically should CW have done to prevent the ball from hitting Floyds back?
What specifically should CW have done to make Tausch, after hitting 14 str8, not miss those 2 FG's?
What specifically should Weis have done to prevent the fumble on the first drive?


Answer these questions to convince me to think it was a coaching problem why NAvy won. No fluff, come with facts specfically about what happen on the field saturday, and what could have been done to alter the outcome in the above specific scenarios. Make me believe that weis is the problem, this is your chance to address the facts. please stay on topic and answer the questions directly...i cant wait for one you mensa members(weis haters) to set me straight. I bet you CANT. I'm sure you'll bring in some other shit(past records, etc, etc), that doesnt have anything to do with my specific questions. Tell me what Weis could done on the field Saturday to change the outcome.

dont skirt the issues.....bring it

I see where you are going with this and you are correct to an extent. However and executive has to be held responsible for sum total results of his company/ team. That's why he get's paid the big bucks.

 

[Sam Crow]

without just acknowledging it, and then going in on bash weis about anything under the sun you can think of; lets get specific. I want a Weis hater to tell me what Weis should done different on saturday. Please directly answer my questions:

What specifically should CW have done to prevent clausen getting his bell rung and fumbling?
What specifically should CW have done to prevent the ball from hitting Floyds back?
What specifically should CW have done to make Tausch, after hitting 14 str8, not miss those 2 FG's?
What specifically should Weis have done to prevent the fumble on the first drive?

those 5 plays were the game. period.


Answer these questions to convince me to think it was a coaching problem why NAvy won. No fluff, come with facts specfically about what happen on the field saturday, and what could have been done to alter the outcome in the above specific scenarios. Make me believe that weis is the problem, this is your chance to address the facts. please stay on topic and answer the questions directly...i cant wait for one you mensa members(weis haters) to set me straight. I bet you CANT. I'm sure you'll bring in some other shit(past records, etc, etc), that doesnt have anything to do with my specific questions. Again, stay on topic please. Tell me what Weis could done on the field Saturday to change the outcome.

dont skirt the issues.....bring it

i have no legit answers.

 

[WabashFalcon]

I see where you are going with this and you are correct to an extent. However and executive has to be held responsible for sum total results of his company/ team. That's why he get's paid the big bucks.

You're off topic. Answer his questions, not subvert it.

 

[WabashFalcon]

without just acknowledging it, and then going in on bash weis about anything under the sun you can think of; lets get specific. I want a Weis hater to tell me what Weis should done different on saturday. Please directly answer my questions:

What specifically should CW have done to prevent clausen getting his bell rung and fumbling?
What specifically should CW have done to prevent the ball from hitting Floyds back?
What specifically should CW have done to make Tausch, after hitting 14 str8, not miss those 2 FG's?
What specifically should Weis have done to prevent the fumble on the first drive?

those 5 plays were the game. period.


Answer these questions to convince me to think it was a coaching problem why NAvy won. No fluff, come with facts specfically about what happen on the field saturday, and what could have been done to alter the outcome in the above specific scenarios. Make me believe that weis is the problem, this is your chance to address the facts. please stay on topic and answer the questions directly...i cant wait for one you mensa members(weis haters) to set me straight. I bet you CANT. I'm sure you'll bring in some other shit(past records, etc, etc), that doesnt have anything to do with my specific questions. Again, stay on topic please. Tell me what Weis could done on the field Saturday to change the outcome.

dont skirt the issues.....bring it

Thank you for finally putting your thoughts and my thoughts into this argument. I tired to post this over and over again... thank you for the clarity... hell... I think you should repost this as a whole new thread topic.

 

[Sam Crow]

Clausen getting his bell rung and fumbling is all JC's fault.

LOWER THE SHOULDER

 

[SteelerNation]

without just acknowledging it, and then going in on bash weis about anything under the sun you can think of; lets get specific. I want a Weis hater to tell me what Weis should done different on saturday. Please directly answer my questions:

What specifically should CW have done to prevent clausen getting his bell rung and fumbling?
What specifically should CW have done to prevent the ball from hitting Floyds back?
What specifically should CW have done to make Tausch, after hitting 14 str8, not miss those 2 FG's?
What specifically should Weis have done to prevent the fumble on the first drive?

those 5 plays were the game. period. and its all on the players.


Answer these questions to convince me to think it was a coaching problem why NAvy won. No fluff, come with facts specfically about what happen on the field saturday, and what could have been done to alter the outcome in the above specific scenarios. Make me believe that weis is the problem, this is your chance to address the facts. please stay on topic and answer the questions directly...i cant wait for one you mensa members(weis haters) to set me straight. I bet you CANT. I'm sure you'll bring in some other shit(past records, etc, etc), that doesnt have anything to do with my specific questions. Again, stay on topic please. Tell me what Weis could done on the field Saturday to change the outcome.

dont skirt the issues.....bring it

How about preparing the team so that a fumble wouldnt make or break the game? I dont see anyone bringing up that point. This is a game we were heavily favored in and it should not have come down to a few mistakes to decide the outcome. But if you insist on defending Weis than answer me this question. If Weis had this same coaching performance at another school and the Notre Dame job came open, would you want Weis as the new head coach? And be honest. Its funny that epople are quick to point out the performances on the field in defending Charlie. Tell me why Charlie is 3-16 against teams with winning records...answer me that...instead of defending Weis blindly. Are you gonna say the players are responsible for that too? Not Weis?

 

[TDHeysus]

Thank you for finally putting your thoughts and my thoughts into this argument. I tired to post this over and over again... thank you for the clarity... hell... I think you should repost this as a whole new thread topic.

I thought that it MAY be a thread unto itself as well, but I didnt want to start another thread topic related to this Weis-BS. So I put in an existing thread.

 

[TDHeysus]

How about preparing the team so that a fumble wouldnt make or break the game? I dont see anyone bringing up that point. This is a game we were heavily favored in and it should not have come down to a few mistakes to decide the outcome. But if you insist on defending Weis than answer me this question. If Weis had this same coaching performance at another school and the Notre Dame job came open, would you want Weis as the new head coach? And be honest. Its funny that epople are quick to point out the performances on the field in defending Charlie. Tell me why Charlie is 3-16 against teams with winning records...answer me that...instead of defending Weis blindly. Are you gonna say the players are responsible for that too? Not Weis?

if your answering my post, your off topic.....you just acknowledged it, then went in on Weis. the very same thing that I asked you not to do, the very same thing that I predicted a weis hater would do. and its the very same thing you do week to week about weis, you dont care about the specifics, you just know in general, you want Weis fired...your following the herd

 

[TDHeysus]

i have no legit answers.

yes you do...you just dont want to say it, because it doesnt have to do with a failure of Weis, its on the players.

 

[irishfan]

How about preparing the team so that a fumble wouldnt make or break the game? I dont see anyone bringing up that point. This is a game we were heavily favored in and it should not have come down to a few mistakes to decide the outcome.

Those few mistakes that shouldn't have decided the outcome.....

Parris Fumble=7 points for ND
2 Missed FGs=6 less points
Clausen Fumble=7 less points
Fluke Interception=7 less points

+7 for Navy
-20 for ND

That is assuming that ND would be able to punch it in from the 1 (not a given but still) and that ND would have scored if the interception had not happened (we had finally gained momentum at that point and we're looking unstoppable through the air).

And its not like those 2 missed FGs and the Clausen fumble and Pick were random plays early in the drive that cost us. They were all the results of long drives.

 

[SteelerNation]

if your answering my post, your off topic.....you just acknowledged it, then went in on Weis. the very same thing that I asked you not to do, the very same thing that I predicted a weis hater would do. and its the very same thing you do week to week about weis, you dont care about the specifics, you just know in general, you want Weis fired...your following the herd

If following the herd means getting a man who cant get the job done out of his position, then count me as a grazer.

 

[SteelerNation]

Those few mistakes that shouldn't have decided the outcome.....

Parris Fumble=7 points for ND
2 Missed FGs=6 less points
Clausen Fumble=7 less points
Fluke Interception=7 less points

+7 for Navy
-20 for ND

That is assuming that ND would be able to punch it in from the 1 (not a given but still) and that ND would have scored if the interception had not happened (we had finally gained momentum at that point and we're looking unstoppable through the air).

And its not like those 2 missed FGs and the Clausen fumble and Pick were random plays early in the drive that cost us. They were all the results of long drives.

I'd like to know the team who never turns the ball over and plays perfectly all game long...every game. Every damn team has turnovers. They still win the game.

 

[TDHeysus]

If following the herd means getting a man who cant get the job done out of his position, then count me as a grazer.

still didnt answer my specific questions.....just say, hey TDHeysus, I got no ammo on that one.

 

[TDHeysus]

I'd like to know the team who never turns the ball over and plays perfectly all game long...every game. Every damn team has turnovers. They still win the game.

my point exactly....then why hate Weis? if every team has these problems, why is this one on Weis??? which brings me back to my original post, that you cant supply answers for.

 

[SteelerNation]

still didnt answer my specific questions.....just say, hey TDHeysus, I got no ammo on that one.

I did answer your question. If you cant read...they got tapes that can help you.

 

[SteelerNation]

my point exactly....then why hate Weis? if every team has these problems, why is this one Weis???

Cant read again? The last sentence....THEY STILL WIN THE GAME. We dont.

 

[Sam Crow]

you did but you blamed weis. you cant answer his questions without blaming weis.

 

[TDHeysus]

I got to back to work all, hopefully by the time I get off tonight, someone will have answered my questions and will make me a Weis hater too...


but I doubt it

 

[SteelerNation]

you did but you blamed weis. you cant answer his questions without blaming weis.

Okay, then why have a coach? If you are saying its the players fault, then we should abandon the coaching system and save the 4.2 million bucks per year.

 

[phork]

Charlie please dont leave and worry about these bandwagon jumpers.

Nah, I'd be worried about those deep pocket alums.

If you have an issue with the policies of the site staff, take it up with us individually. This passive-aggressive material is not constructive.

People should think that I should be banned, but I don't insult anyone personally and I stay in bounds with my rants.

without just acknowledging it, and then going in on bash weis about anything under the sun you can think of; lets get specific. I want a Weis hater to tell me what Weis should done different on saturday. Please directly answer my questions:

What specifically should CW have done to prevent clausen getting his bell rung and fumbling?
What specifically should CW have done to prevent the ball from hitting Floyds back?
What specifically should CW have done to make Tausch, after hitting 14 str8, not miss those 2 FG's?
What specifically should Weis have done to prevent the fumble on the first drive?

those 5 plays were the game. period. and its all on the players.


Answer these questions to convince me to think it was a coaching problem why NAvy won. No fluff, come with facts specfically about what happen on the field saturday, and what could have been done to alter the outcome in the above specific scenarios. Make me believe that weis is the problem, this is your chance to address the facts. please stay on topic and answer the questions directly...i cant wait for one you mensa members(weis haters) to set me straight. I bet you CANT. I'm sure you'll bring in some other shit(past records, etc, etc), that doesnt have anything to do with my specific questions. Again, stay on topic please. Tell me what Weis could done on the field Saturday to change the outcome.

dont skirt the issues.....bring it

I won't skirt the issues, but by limiting your focus to just your questions you are in effect setting up the answers.

The coaching decision to not kick a field goal, after your kicker has missed ONE in the last 15. Trot him out and let him knock another one out. Same decision 2 years ago cost ND the first Navy win in 43 years.

Its pretty bad when the other teams coach calls out your defense and EXPECTED them to run the same defense as they did last year. Players on ND even admitted as such.

Those are the facts.

 

[DCirishfan]

You're off topic. Answer his questions, not subvert it.

You're off grammar. I think I will respond to the question as I see fit. I believe my response was more than reasonable.

 

[TDHeysus]

I won't skirt the issues, but by limiting your focus to just your questions you are in effect setting up the answers.

The coaching decision to not kick a field goal, after your kicker has missed ONE in the last 15. Trot him out and let him knock another one out. Same decision 2 years ago cost ND the first Navy win in 43 years.

Its pretty bad when the other teams coach calls out your defense and EXPECTED them to run the same defense as they did last year. Players on ND even admitted as such.

Those are the facts.

I was hoping a weis hater was going to convince me that I am wrong...but this response is weak, and doesnt hit on enough topics. I do thank you for making an attempt to answer my questions, but I still DONT see how weis was responsible for the specific plays that I laid out. No weis hater can seem to tell me specfically how weis was responsible for fumbles, ints, and missed FG's.

Come on Weis haters, i'm waiting for someone to show me what weis could have done saturday, SPECIFICALLY. I have yet to see a response, step up weis haters, now your chance to shine. can you address ALL my questions, without getting off topic??

**you call it 'limiting my focus', I call it 'specifics'

 

[irishfan]

I'd like to know the team who never turns the ball over and plays perfectly all game long...every game. Every damn team has turnovers. They still win the game.

We had 10 possessions. 3 TDs, 2 missed FGs, 3 awful turnovers (Parris fumble, Clausen fumble, fluke interception), 1 turnover on downs on 4th and goal, 1 safety. Besides kicking the field goal on 4th and goal (I still think it was the correct call, especially considering they designed that play specifically for that situation) what more do you want Weis to do offensively to win the game?