Reasons to Keep/Fire Weis

[irishfan]

What are you afraid of? The continued home losing streak to Navy? Urban wouldn't take the job because he knew the cupboard was bare.

and because of the admission standards

 

[Rudy89]

What are you afraid of? The continued home losing streak to Navy? Urban wouldn't take the job because he knew the cupboard was bare.

does that answer the question of who out there could take the job with an upside....no one thats who

 

[phork]

and because of the admission standards

Oh yes those... The same ones that prevented Charlie from landing top10 classes... Oh wait he did land them. Hrm.. I'm fresh out of ideas now. Keep pulling more excuses out of your bag'o'tricks.

 

[irishfan]

Oh yes those... The same ones that prevented Charlie from landing top10 classes... Oh wait he did land them. Hrm.. I'm fresh out of ideas now. Keep pulling more excuses out of your bag'o'tricks.

Unless I'm totally making this up, I remember hearing that Meyer requested that he be able to admit a certain number of recruits per year that wouldn't normally be admitted by ND. I don't know if anyone else remembers hearing/reading it who could verify it.

 

[elkona]

Before you can fire the guy, you have to find out who would be available to coach in his place. I couldn't tell you, but I don't think that there is much out there. He will be here through at least next year, I think.

Pull your head out of your ass. The replacement's name is Brian Kelly.

 

[phork]

Pull your head out of your ass. The replacement's name is Brian Kelly.

ZING

 

[Junkhead]

Pull your head out of your ass.

Though I agree Kelly might be a good replacement, consider this your notice on that comment. Keep it civil.

 

[mbooch]

CW is a great recruiter, but he hasn't developed into much of a game day coach. He HAS refilled the cupboard with fine talent. Now, in 1985, ND had to face facts about Gerry Faust, and found Lou. In 1963, ND was all but dead. They lost to NORTHWESTERN. In 1964, having hired Northwestern's coach, Resurrection began. There's somebody out there who can coach on Saturdays. Now, watch ND WIN some big games and see how easy recruiting gets. 2009 will go down in the books as a LARGE blown opportunity to get to a BCS game and truly restore the franchise. That was lost today because ND was ill prepared to perform for the first 30 minutes today. If he can be eased out for some reasonable amount of $$$ CW should go back to Sunday football.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Pull your head out of your ass. The replacement's name is Brian Kelly.

Brian Kelly will become Ty Willingham II. A MAC coach and a team that has had a couple big fish in the terrible Big East.

 

[wahoo]

Since when have the Irish settled for being just a run-of-the-mill team? In a way, Weis has looked like Faust. Faust had five years...Charlie has had his. Time to hire a coach that can get the most out of the talent on this team.

 

[Junkhead]

Brian Kelly will become Ty Willingham II. A MAC coach and a team that has had a couple big fish in the terrible Big East.

I can't claim to know too much about Kelly, but he's won everywhere he's been. That can't be said for Willingham.

 

[Skuch22]

I think we need to wait til next year I have been a Weis supporter but after tday idk. if he goes anything less than 11-1 and there are some good solid coaches that we can hire than he needs to be fired but not this year and for those of u who think Kelly is the guy y do u think that? He has had one great year in the BIG EAST that conference suckkss wait til hes constantly going undefeated and then get on his bandwagon

 

[phork]

Brian Kelly will become Ty Willingham II. A MAC coach and a team that has had a couple big fish in the terrible Big East.

Yah like Urban Meyer and that gimmicky spread thing that he does. Man Florida must be thanking its lucky stars that they hired a mid-major guy and won!

 

[BeatSC]

A good point brought up by ND-Jamotive, an Irish poster on the Rivals boards:

0-5 vs USC (3 20+ point blowouts)
2-3 vs UM (2 25+ point blowouts)
3-9 season (most losses in school history)
8 losses by 20 or more points (Ty had 8)
30 point loss to a 5-7 team (GT in '07)
2 losses to Navy in 5 years (41 straight wins prior to his hire)
17 point loss to an 8 win Air Force team
Loss at home to a 2 win Syracuse (first ever loss to a 2 win team in ND history)
Produced the worst rushing attack in ND history (2007)
Defenses that have ranked nationally: #75, #65, #39, #39, and #83
The worst offense (#119) in college football in 2007
1 win vs a team who finished the season ranked (2006 vs #24 PSU)
8-19 vs teams with winning records (will get worse after this season is completed)
First 0-5 start in ND history

I'll add on:

The worst two year stretch in Irish history (10-15)

I hope Mark May doesn't get his hands on this info. As shitty as the talent was in 2007 most coaches could have got 5-6 wins out oth them. We should have had 3 more wins last year and how many more are we going to say we should have had this year? Charlie is a facts and data guy and if he faced these facts he would say he needs to resign. I'll take Gruden or Cowher if they would take it. I would think that these high profile guys could hold onto JC, GT and our recruits. As someone mentioned that CW is a tough sell when he looks like such a couch potato. Don't want to sound mean but I can't remember a coach looking lke that taking a team to greatness. If I'm wrong please correct me.

 

[mbooch]

One ugly set of facts. And, in his presser today, CW says this game won't change his approach. Well, the definition iof insanity is ...

 

[ojo_223]

Pull your head out of your ass. The replacement's name is Brian Kelly.

HA! Kelly has won some, true. He still has the Big East big fish to play in WVU and PITT so I will hold off until I see how those turn out. UCONN scared them today. I would not annoint the guy the greatest coach in football yet.

 

[aaronb]

I'm not defending Weis, but is it possible that this is a result of Navy getting better, instead of it being ALL about ND getting that much worse?

Navy is what Air Force was in the 80's/90's

Lou and Davie lost to them. This is the same difference.


I cannot say that Charlie is the guy to win the NC. However he has brought this program back from the lowest point in its history. I think he deserves a bit of loyalty.

Like it or not, ND hasn't been a consistently upper level program in over 30 years.

Never have they been dominant in the 85 schollie era.

Some guy might win in Boise or Cincy. Does that mean he wins in South Bend?

We've blown thru 7 coaches in 32 years. Never finding anyone suitable enough. At what point is it a slew of bad coaches, or unrealistic expectations?

Ara and Knute were great coaches. But times have changed.

 

[aaronb]

HA! Kelly has won some, true. He still has the Big East big fish to play in WVU and PITT so I will hold off until I see how those turn out. UCONN scared them today. I would not annoint the guy the greatest coach in football yet.

He also inherited a solid team from Dantonio when he got the job 3 years ago.

He hasn't built anything yet.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Navy is what Air Force was in the 80's/90's

Lou and Davie lost to them. This is the same difference.


I cannot say that Charlie is the guy to win the NC. However he has brought this program back from the lowest point in its history. I think he deserves a bit of loyalty.

Like it or not, ND hasn't been a consistently upper level program in over 30 years.

Never have they been dominant in the 85 schollie era.

Some guy might win in Boise or Cincy. Does that mean he wins in South Bend?

We've blown thru 7 coaches in 32 years. Never finding anyone suitable enough. At what point is it a slew of bad coaches, or unrealistic expectations?

Ara and Knute were great coaches. But times have changed.

Great. Freaking. Post.

 

[ojo_223]

Why would Kelly even leave Cincinatti? He has a good team in a pretty weak conference and he doesn't have to play SC,MICH, or anybody of that level every year. I don't have Cincy's schedule in front of me, but what is the best team they have played this year?

 

[WabashFalcon]

His words last year, during the BCS draw was "Why would I want to leave? Cincinnatti is now a national power."

Something to that effect.

 

[Brown]

Cincinnati is #5 in the BCS ... that should say enough about the success of their program so far this year. The formula for the BCS is supposed to take everything into consideration and rank teams accordingly.

 

[Brown]

His words last year, during the BCS draw was "Why would I want to leave? Cincinnatti is now a national power."

Something to that effect.

Well, he's certainly not going to win over any recruits with a "i might be leaving" type attitude.

There are rumors that he has an out clause in his latest contract w/ Cinci. for the ND job. There's no way Cinci can afford to pay him top dollar ($4+ M / year) or give him the recruiting budget to go after the countries best recruits.

Win at ND and you become a national celebrity -- ND still has a lot to offer.

To top it all off ... he's been pretty forward about his interest in ND through various media outlets over the years.

 

[fightinirish68]

i say dont fire weiss. you cant blame him for poor defense and missed field goals. coaches take way too much blame for poor play of the players

 

[jason_h537]

I have been a supporter of Weis during his entire tenure. I like him as aperson, he represents the school well, recruits with the best of them, and graduates his kids. With that said, the loss today was unacceptable. I know Navy is a good team and they do not get the respect they deserve but we ARE a better team. I know the players turened the ball over and executed poorly but it is his jobto get them prepared and motivated.

Now i am not calling for his head. I am also not going to suggest that a loss to Navy means that we have no shot against Pitt or Stanford because this team is capable of beating most teams. With that Said, Weis MUST beat Pitt, UConn, and Stanford because this is his 5th year, these are his players, and the team should be performing better than this.

 

[navyman]

I dont think CW gets canned,he does the right thing and resigns.He is not a head coach,there are plenty of crappy NFL teams who would love to have him as an OC.As far as a new coach I have no clue anymore,as stated maybe Tony Dungy,how about Jim Harbaugh?the guy up at Northwestern? You can put it in the bank you are not getting Urban Meyer,Nick Saban,Bill Cower or anyone like that.

 

[Merlin]

2007 was likely an unavoidable low point. Charlie should get somewhat a pass for that.

2 BCS games in 5 years.

Recruiting and talent level is better than it ever has been in the 85 schollie era

Went from 3 to 7 to 8-10 wins the last 3 seasons.

Probably big buyout

No guarantee that the next guy will never lose and always have the #1 recruiting class

Ultimately the program is trending up. Despite some obvious growing pains.

BUMP!!!

Add to that the personnel accomplishments that our players have achieved under him, Heisman hopefuls etc.

Do we honestly think that players like Jimmy and co, would have chosen ND if CW wasn't here?

I'm gutted that we lost, absolutely gutted!, but I'd feel even worse if we fired CW at this point. IMO, it would set us back years, especially in terms of recruiting. I'm only hoping we can win out to save those players we're still trying to recruit?

We know what our problems are, and it has nothing to do with our offense or it's coaches, we need a D'co who can have the same impact on defensive recruits, as CW has for our offense.
The fact we're now beginning to, "tap into" Texas, (part reason for the Alamo) is down to CW.

Lets not, "cut off our nose to spite our face"!

In regards to our last few games, you may as well toss a coin, we might win, we might not, but either way our offense will still put up winning numbers, if not winning points!

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

We've blown thru 7 coaches in 32 years. Never finding anyone suitable enough. At what point is it a slew of bad coaches, or unrealistic expectations?

The problem is, we keep hiring these inexperienced guys to be head coaches. Other than Holtz, Ty was the only guy with any experience, and he was what, the 4th choice during that debacle?

The administration needs to get its head out of its collective ass and do a LEGITIMATE search, and target guys with WINNING HEAD COACHING EXPERIENCE. The ND HC is NOT an on the job learning gig.

 

[phork]

HA! Kelly has won some, true. He still has the Big East big fish to play in WVU and PITT so I will hold off until I see how those turn out. UCONN scared them today. I would not annoint the guy the greatest coach in football yet.

He is not the greatest head coach of all time, but its better than what we have now.

Navy is what Air Force was in the 80's/90's

Lou and Davie lost to them. This is the same difference.


I cannot say that Charlie is the guy to win the NC. However he has brought this program back from the lowest point in its history. I think he deserves a bit of loyalty.

Like it or not, ND hasn't been a consistently upper level program in over 30 years.

Never have they been dominant in the 85 schollie era.

Some guy might win in Boise or Cincy. Does that mean he wins in South Bend?

We've blown thru 7 coaches in 32 years. Never finding anyone suitable enough. At what point is it a slew of bad coaches, or unrealistic expectations?

Ara and Knute were great coaches. But times have changed.

Does a guy from Cincy or Boise win at ND? How could they not? Don't you see what you are saying? Guys who more than likely don't get a sniff of an ND scholarship go to these places, people who ND deem to be below standard athletically (or scholastically). These kids are out performing some of the better teams in D1A.

So now that ND should be looking at its eighth coach in 33 years, perhaps the admin should hire someone to do a proper coaching search with full authority over the hiring decision? Perhaps the administration needs to be replaced as well?

He also inherited a solid team from Dantonio when he got the job 3 years ago.

He hasn't built anything yet.

And he hasn't lost anything yet either has he? I'd take 9-0 at this point with Charlies recruits with another coach.

Why would Kelly even leave Cincinatti? He has a good team in a pretty weak conference and he doesn't have to play SC,MICH, or anybody of that level every year. I don't have Cincy's schedule in front of me, but what is the best team they have played this year?

Errr.. Why would Urban leave Utah? Are you kidding me?

His words last year, during the BCS draw was "Why would I want to leave? Cincinnatti is now a national power."

Something to that effect.

Well he is certainly not going to say "Well if ND offers I'm outta here!"

i say dont fire weiss. you cant blame him for poor defense and missed field goals. coaches take way too much blame for poor play of the players

Can't blame him for poor defense, a defense thats been pretty poor since he has been here? He is the HEAD COACH. Poor play by the players aside, some of his game management skills are questionable.

I dont think CW gets canned,he does the right thing and resigns.He is not a head coach,there are plenty of crappy NFL teams who would love to have him as an OC.As far as a new coach I have no clue anymore,as stated maybe Tony Dungy,how about Jim Harbaugh?the guy up at Northwestern? You can put it in the bank you are not getting Urban Meyer,Nick Saban,Bill Cower or anyone like that.

Ahh yes Nick Saban. Just about 3 years ago he accepted the job at Alabama. A team that he has had top ranked in 2 of 3 years has been there. But here comes the jucos and over recruiting bologna again.

Then there is Sarkisian, who is probably a good comparison for Charlie. I'm willing to bet that when Willingham left Washington the cupboard was just as bare, if not worse than ND. He is going to have anywhere from 4-6 wins in his first year. Could have beat ND and has done something that Charlie has failed to do, beat USC. Even in a down year like USC is having.

BUMP!!!

I'm gutted that we lost, absolutely gutted!, but I'd feel even worse if we fired CW at this point. IMO, it would set us back years, especially in terms of recruiting. I'm only hoping we can win out to save those players we're still trying to recruit?

We know what our problems are, and it has nothing to do with our offense or it's coaches, we need a D'co who can have the same impact on defensive recruits, as CW has for our offense.
The fact we're now beginning to, "tap into" Texas, (part reason for the Alamo) is down to CW.

Lets not, "cut off our nose to spite our face"!

In regards to our last few games, you may as well toss a coin, we might win, we might not, but either way our offense will still put up winning numbers, if not winning points!

What is this setting us back years bullcrap? The team is stocked right now. The team will be stocked for the foreseeable future. The right coach could come right in and win instantly. This isn't like when Charlie started and everyone knew that 2007 would be a stinkfest. ND is deep at almost every position and they would be able to ride out 1 year if there was a coaching change right now.

As for the winning numbers theme. Stats are for losers. *points to the scoreboard.

The problem is, we keep hiring these inexperienced guys to be head coaches. Other than Holtz, Ty was the only guy with any experience, and he was what, the 4th choice during that debacle?

The administration needs to get its head out of its collective ass and do a LEGITIMATE search, and target guys with WINNING HEAD COACHING EXPERIENCE. The ND HC is NOT an on the job learning gig.

See previous response about the administration.

 

[timm3117]

He also inherited a solid team from Dantonio when he got the job 3 years ago.

He hasn't built anything

On the roster before Brian Kelly 5 players rated 3 stars or better by rivals. With Brian Kelly 36 have come to Cincy. Seems like hes building something to me.