Notre Dame - USC, was really not that close.

[We_Are_ND]

I know many of you HATE Colin Cowherd. I don't agree with him on alot of things, but he brings up good points and at least makes you think.

Wanted to see what you guys thought of this?

He said he heard from an inside source (a coach he knows involved with the game)

That the game was not even close and really should have been a blowout if not for a ton of bad breaks against USC and terrible officiating. He also said that the athleticism and playmakers are still not even close. Went on to say take a look at every time a USC wide receiver caught the ball, tons of separation, caught the ball in open field with room to run. Every time a ND receiver caught the ball it was in traffic, had to be a perfect ball, and was getting hit right away.

Basically saying we are not close to USCs level talent wise.

Also said about the officiating that there was terrible ball spots the whole game. I don't really remember those but maybe someone else does?

I know Colin is a homer for USC but what do you think of some of those comments?

 

[irishtrain]

cowheard

cowheard

First of all like many of you I have no respect for this guy and his opinions are just that-opinions. Actually I think he is irrelevent and furthermore the game I saw by my eyeball test said Notre Dame may be better in many areas except D line. Keep cowheard in the proper perspective we are more fun to them when we are able to be tweeked, fire Charlie, Notre Dame's overrated etc, its their game, understand it , know it, dont respond to it, you just made his day. He reminds me of the high school student doing the radio at the local game on Fri night, IRRELEVENT

 

[WaveDomer]

Well, saying it shouldn't have been close is goofy. It was close. Yes, Clausen had to pass on the money. Well, he did. That pass to Tate where he was blanketed by 2 defenders was insane. The USC receivers did have space. What's the complaint there? Maybe the guy is pissed that with so much more talent they still almost lost. If he is worried about bad penalties, start coaching discipline on the field. The officials aren't going to turn a possible "blowout" into a nailbiter. His points make no sense because even with open receivers and better coverage, it was close. The only complaint he could have is the refs. And like I said, they won't take a "blowout" and make it close.

 

[We_Are_ND]

Well his point was that the only reason ND got back into the game was because of a bunch of bad breaks and officiating. Saying a true freshman quarterback had open receivers outrunning everyone.

Pretty much gave Jimmy Clausen and Golden Tate all, and the only credit, saying they had to play out of their mind to have a chance.

 

[WaveDomer]

Well his point was that the only reason ND got back into the game was because of a bunch of bad breaks and officiating. Saying a true freshman quarterback had open receivers outrunning everyone.

Pretty much gave Jimmy Clausen and Golden Tate all, and the only credit, saying they had to play out of their mind to have a chance.

I understand. I'm only saying that they did play out of their mind. So how can he say it shouldn't have been close. The Patriots should have won the Super Bowl too. That's why they play the games on the field. That was my point.

 

[mick2]

also the recievers should never be that open, but we were selling out to stop the run and make barkley beat us with his arm, this was a sc team that was built on the run, we gamelanned to stop the run and left our dbs on islands thinking that barkley wouldnt be able to beat us with his arm. but he did, he played very well.

but this what if shit is sickening, we were there at the end with a chance to tie or win, and the ball didnt bounce our way.

you can say all you want, the scoreboard does tell all it was a close game, we arent that far behind.

 

[We_Are_ND]

also the recievers should never be that open, but we were selling out to stop the run and make barkley beat us with his arm, this was a sc team that was built on the run, we gamelanned to stop the run and left our dbs on islands thinking that barkley wouldnt be able to beat us with his arm. but he did, he played very well.

Come on man, we have been saying that at the end of every single game except Nevada.

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

Cowherd is a tool plain and simple. He's paid to be objective, and well he gets alot of people's blood flowing, not just ND fans.

I will agree to an extend that the first half we were clearly overmatched. The first half we had a few times that we could have really exploited some USC mistakes, but officiating and replays gave the ball back to USC. The officiating in this game was one of the better performances I have seen in a long time. Each and every penatly called on USC was warranted except maybe, and i mean MAYBE the roughing the passer call at the end of the game, but it didnt do anything but give them and extra down that wasn't even needed and about 3 yards since it was half the distance to the goal. Actually may have hurt us a bit more with the play schemes.....

The second half though was a completley different story. We manned up with them very well with the exception of our Dline and Dbacks. I think the LB's played well except for giving TE's a clean release. Our offense clearly out came of and played up to USC standards in the second half. The fact that WR's are open for SC and NOT ND means nothing, it just proves the point that Jimmy has the skillz to thread the needle and get the ball to the WR's.

Look from an atheletic perspective, they beat us everyday of the week. They have many more athletes than we do, but athletes don't mean you are better. Tyrelle Pryor is a freakish athelete, guess what, he's a big reason why OSU isnt that good.... Being a good football team is about 22 guys being 100% in sync with each other, gameplans, execution, chemistry, schemes, and heart. This team has possesed each of those characteristics and thats why they can and will compete against the best athletes.

Colin Cowherd is a TOOL!!!!!!

 

[mick2]

Come on man, we have been saying that at the end of every single game except Nevada.

ok, youre right, you know what, this irish team really sucks.

i mean look, we take the number 6 team down to the wire, but we suck because we should have gotten blown out. stupid irish dont you know that you are supposed to lay down when its 34-14!!!

we should be 1-5 right now! damnit i hate when my team wins games they are not supposed to!

this team sucks and always will charlie needs to go, and you know what why dont we just drop football altogether because its pointless right? we'll never be relevant again.

even if we go 10-2 i dont care cause we probably should be 2-10!

we suck.

 

[TDHeysus]

time to move on.......

 

[We_Are_ND]

ok, youre right, you know what, this irish team really sucks.

i mean look, we take the number 6 team down to the wire, but we suck because we should have gotten blown out. stupid irish dont you know that you are supposed to lay down when its 34-14!!!

we should be 1-5 right now! damnit i hate when my team wins games they are not supposed to!

this team sucks and always will charlie needs to go, and you know what why dont we just drop football altogether because its pointless right? we'll never be relevant again.

even if we go 10-2 i dont care cause we probably should be 2-10!

we suck.

Wow, you are completely going the wrong way with the original question and argument and taking a childish approach.

I was taking quotes from someone else, adding a little bit of my two cents and opened it for discussion. It's ok to disagree with other people when you talk about Notre Dame football you know? You can do it too without having a freak out. Don't take it to heart.

 

[mick2]

Wow, you are completely going the wrong way with the original question and argument and taking a childish approach.

I was taking quotes from someone else, adding a little bit of my two cents and opened it for discussion. It's ok to disagree with other people when you talk about Notre Dame football you know? You can do it too without having a freak out. Don't take it to heart.

i did discuss it when i said we were there at the end with the chance to tie or win, you can say open recievers, you can say better talent, you can say all you want, but we were right there with them in the end.

and Tdheysus is right im breaking my own rules here even talking about this game, were half way through bc week.

 

[BGIF]

Wow, you are completely going the wrong way with the original question and argument and taking a childish approach.

I was taking quotes from someone else, adding a little bit of my two cents and opened it for discussion. It's ok to disagree with other people when you talk about Notre Dame football you know? You can do it too without having a freak out. Don't take it to heart.

Really? You asked a question and answered it yourself in the first post.

I know Colin is a homer for USC but what do you think of some of those comments?<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

His format, his business is in your face, don't have dialogue just talk over the other guy.

mick2 gave you a solid response, ND's defensive plan was to sell out against the run thus leaving the DBs on an island. It worked more times than it didn't. But when it didn't they made big plays. Instead of engaging mick2 in dialogue which you claim was the point of your post you gave him a troll response,

Come on man, we have been saying that at the end of every single game except Nevada.

It's a surprise to you that Cowheard (that's intentional) says they have better athleticism and playmakers? Make up a Depth Chart compiled from both teams how many ND players are on the line of scrimmage, OLine and DLine?

Go ahead, "We are ND", post that 2 deep.

I like our RBs but Allen doesn't start and nobody else makes the two deep. Clausen's the better QB but with with a steel plate in his foot he be resting on the sideline if he was a Trojan. And behind their OLine he probably would have had a clean jersey.

Mays and Griffen are both thugs. Watch the game film and see how many times Griffen "accidently" steps on Clausen's injured foot during the game. Mays should have been ejected for his helmet to helmet hit on a downed player. Despite their thuggery, they were the two best defenders on the field, weren't they. ND kept both TEs in play after play to try and stop Southern Cal's 4 man rush and Jimmy was still sacked 5 times. Did you really think John Ryan and Harrison Smith are the equal players?

Cowherd's source was Peter Carroll who lamented Monday in the media to PAC 10 officials. I read the article. Among other things he claimed the Maust to Parris pass was illegal - "banned under PAC 10" rules.


Have you missed recruiting since Carroll came to Southern Cal? They have a dominating edge in "playmaker" abiltiy but ND has been closing that gap. Not there yet but closing.


Despite the disparity, ND was 4 yards from a tie game. And no official made a call bringing back a 70 yard ND screen play or negating an ND TD with an out of bounds like PAC-10 officials have done to ND at least since 1964.

Of course the controversial ND TD pass that was called out of bounds would have been the WINNING MARGIN, wouldn't it have been, "We are ND"? ND would have been running out the clock on that final drive.

Cowherd didn't mention that did he? Of course not, Carroll doesn't complain about calls that favor his team.

 

[Riddickulous]

Colin Cowherd...Oooooh, man.

The man who lists the attractiveness of women in a city and the weather as reasons to why a football team sucks.

 

[jason_h537]

Because everyone knows Alabama is a hot spot for hot ladies

 

[weisbank4]

This guy hates ND and ran his big mouth the whole week. Then its a play away from OT and he has to save face. I actually saw it quite the contrary, ND put SC in a LOT of 3rd and longs and Barkley, in the face of pressure, made some really difficult plays to sustain drives that wouldve been dead far in Trojan territory.

 

[JefMaj]

The idiot (Colin) just said that Clausen should not be considered for the Heisman because he lost a game and how can you lose a game and win the Heisman - particularly a close game.

What about Tebow in '07 - Bradford in '08.... Is the guy that much of a hater - as well as that stupid.

As for the game not being close? USC did not put on the brakes - they were throwing when Gray intercepted!!!!! Not running out the clock.
Then they run on the next possession -because your Freshman QB just threw an Int and he's a f*ck'n freshman with 4 minutes left - gonna trust what's in his head with the crowd back into the game - BIG TIME! No they didn't want to take the chance.
You don't play to kill clock (and kill no clock) they would have run for 1st downs IF THEY COULD HAVE - you don't run safe short yardage plays and choose to punt with 4 on he clock and up only 7 -the crowd in the game and the Mo in the other direction.
Guess that's why the moron is not a coach. And SportsNation is ESPNs lamest show. It won't be here next year - we will!

 

[Morris614]

Every week there are games that statistically should not even be close, but are. All that matters is the score.

 

[BillyIrish]

the only thing i saw is that we were 4 yards from OT. that sounds close to me. If you want to listen to some wind bag give his slanted opinion to rile up a large fan base, then go for it!

yeah our D-line hasn't performed, DB's bad. but all that matters is the bottom line. 4-2. could be 6-0, could be 1-5.

 

[mbeckha]

I know many of you HATE Colin Cowherd. I don't agree with him on alot of things, but he brings up good points and at least makes you think.

Wanted to see what you guys thought of this?

He said he heard from an inside source (a coach he knows involved with the game)

That the game was not even close and really should have been a blowout if not for a ton of bad breaks against USC and terrible officiating. He also said that the athleticism and playmakers are still not even close. Went on to say take a look at every time a USC wide receiver caught the ball, tons of separation, caught the ball in open field with room to run. Every time a ND receiver caught the ball it was in traffic, had to be a perfect ball, and was getting hit right away.

Basically saying we are not close to USCs level talent wise.

Also said about the officiating that there was terrible ball spots the whole game. I don't really remember those but maybe someone else does?

I know Colin is a homer for USC but what do you think of some of those comments?

Did you watch the game? If you did do you need other people to think for you after you watched the game. The Game was very close as I remember, and the talent level was only really seen in a couple areas. This could also be due the players being out of position, notre dame is young, fast and athletic. I think you need to think for yourself. Notre Dame will crush BC.

 

[JeremyND07]

Tate was the best athlete on the field except Mays....Floyd would of been 3rd best on the field. We are closing the GAP!!!

 

[JefMaj]

McCoy was a man.....

 

[JefMaj]

Colin - he scrolls through the Tweets - and while scrolling over J.Best, Jake Locker, Forcier, - - up comes Golden Tate's name and he yells: "ND players - how can they make the list when they are losing? - I don't get the ND thing"

 

[phork]

Say what you want, and yes it could have been a blow out, but the game was close in the end. PERIOD.

 

[Riddickulous]

If the game was close, it was close. No exceptions.

 

[BeatSC]

Tate was the best athlete on the field except Mays....Floyd would of been 3rd best on the field. We are closing the GAP!!!

Mays may be the better athlete but Tate got the better of him that day and Mays knows it. I actually was listening when Cowturd mention the talent disparitybetween the two schools and cited another anonymous college coach saying it all comes down to admission standards and ND's are very high and USC's were very low. He noted that ND gor some of the top talent back in the Holtz days (Tony Rice) but when Holtz left the school admin weenies took over and the standards went back up. HE said Charlie is a good coach and actually does well with what he has bu ti comes down to admission standrards. Nice to hear someone outside this forum admit it on the air. This contributes to the culture of USC having no class and ND having a team that is a class act in how they comport themselves.

 

[tankjeep]

screw cowturd and the usc cheerleaders.....i'm done.

thanks for showing up!

 

[We_Are_ND]

Hmm, I was kinda all over the place with my original post, but I guess my main question was about the overall talent on the field and not the score of the game itself. Yes it was close and that should be all that matters. But UW and Purdue were close and I wouldn't like to consider them close to us talent wise.

Ok who cares, I'm not a troll, love the irish, move on, close thread.

 

[irishtrain]

As you all know I dont get espn on my TV or listen to this tool on the radio. I will tell you this -I watch the CBS college football deal with Taylor/Cross/Jones and they're pretty good. Here's the point, Randy Cross doesnt give a damn about ND but even he said 'they are pretty good and better than people think'. He likes Clausen for being a warrior. He also said he's probably playing the position as good as if not better than anyone in the country. These ex pro guys with no axe to grind give it to you straight.

 

[We_Are_ND]

Clausens greatness is not debatable.