How to fix College Football?

[Huntr]

 

[Bantry19]

Does Trump actually think he can change how college football players are paid thru executive order?

No, but he’d much rather talk about this.

 

[greyhammer90]

B1G sharpening their knives just off stage

 

[GATTACA!]

um that table is in the shape of a rectangle.

Par for the course with this administration.

 

[Huntr]

 

[dublinirish]

Big meeting of Plantation owners vibes off that whole thing

 

[Huntr]

Big meeting of Plantation owners vibes off that whole thing

Exactly.

I'm just really offended by the idea that asshole business practices by universities that benefited them for over 100 years has now resulted in a "problem" requiring Congressional intervention. Funny how there wasn't a problem until the help started getting paid above board...

Fuck you, schools. Fix it yourself.

 

[Dale]

 

[Dale]

Makes sense. Would love it…..

Sounds like something that gets collectively bargained for!

 

[Irishdawg]

I wasn’t sure where to put this…

 

[NorthDakota]

I wasn’t sure where to put this…

The Mormons will not be happy if that happens!

Ditto on the dudes who like the "feel good" spotlights you see on GameDay where some 26 year old veteran with PTSD is place kicking for a D2 school.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

The Mormons will not be happy if that happens!

Ditto on the dudes who like the "feel good" spotlights you see on GameDay where some 26 year old veteran with PTSD is place kicking for a D2 school.

Has religious exemptions.

 

[Irish#1]

Trumps EO is pushing the NCAA to limit participation to five years with only one transfer which kind of aligns with this. The question is will the NCAA follow the EO or go about their merry way?

 

[RudyVerse]

I wasn’t sure where to put this…

This seems silly. So the early graduate (Romeo Okwara) would have 7 years? Just give everyone 5 years and remove all complications and legal reviews of requests for more. Then yeah, the missionary kids.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Trumps EO is pushing the NCAA to limit participation to five years with only one transfer which kind of aligns with this. The question is will the NCAA follow the EO or go about their merry way?

It changes nothing. More lawsuits, more nonsense. It will go to court and he'll lose. The single transfer portion is a nonstarter.

Nobody cares, nor should they. That's basically where college sports is at right now. Nick Saban can cheerlead it all he wants. The guys still coaching basically said "meh" to this magical EO because nobody cares.

The NCAA could have been proactive about all of this, chose not to and now they're trying to put shit back into the donkey.

Winning.

 

[RudyVerse]

It changes nothing. More lawsuits, more nonsense. It will go to court and he'll lose. The single transfer portion is a nonstarter.

Nobody cares, nor should they. That's basically where college sports is at right now. Nick Saban can cheerlead it all he wants. The guys still coaching basically said "meh" to this magical EO because nobody cares.

The NCAA could have been proactive about all of this, chose not to and now they're trying to put shit back into the donkey.

Winning.

Well... it caused the NCAA to put a proposal on the table right after the EO got attention. Now I don't like the NCAA proposal but Trump himself acknowledged his EO would have to be codified, he's just trying to push the powers that be to finally solve this. His EO seems to be wildly popular and that puts pressure on the NCAA to actually get this right.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Well... it caused the NCAA to put a proposal on the table right after the EO got attention. Now I don't like the NCAA proposal but Trump himself acknowledged his EO would have to be codified, he's just trying to push the power that be for resolution.

The single transfer portion of it is a loser. In addition to other legal gaps.

Are college athletes employees? That's still pending in district court. The EO doesn't address that.

 

[NorthDakota]

Has religious exemptions.

Lame. That's silly

 

[Irish#1]

It changes nothing. More lawsuits, more nonsense. It will go to court and he'll lose. The single transfer portion is a nonstarter.

Nobody cares, nor should they. That's basically where college sports is at right now. Nick Saban can cheerlead it all he wants. The guys still coaching basically said "meh" to this magical EO because nobody cares.

The NCAA could have been proactive about all of this, chose not to and now they're trying to put shit back into the donkey.

Winning.

Nobody thinks Trump is going to fix this mess and I'm pretty aware of the legal aspects (hurdles, limitations, legality, etc.) as I think most are. At least he's trying to get the ball rolling. It does seems it's more than a coincidence on the timing as RudyVerse said.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Nobody thinks Trump is going to fix this mess and I'm pretty aware of the legal aspects (hurdles, limitations, legality, etc.) as I think most are. At least he's trying to get the ball rolling. It does seems it's more than a coincidence on the timing as RudyVerse said.

Good. So you know it's a loser in court.

I'd never accuse Trump or anyone else of fixing any messes. Not unless someone shoved a bunch of AIPAC money in his or her face.

I guess I'm trying to understand what part of college sports needs saving. All the fan bases still seem loyal. There are eyeballs in TV sets, asses in seats, money being made. By everyone.

Wait. That's it. The free labor model got blown up, the players can move freely, all the shady bag men are not needed anymore and everyone is clutching their pearls. If some kid wants to play for four schools in four years, that's between him and his parents and whatever goofball uncles are leeching off of his forty time. That's his business. If Michigan wants to outbid LSU for a high school quarterback that lives 30 minutes from their campus, Hail to the Dickheads.

As @Dale said in the thread that got locked, the schools and conferences are going to cheer this on or pretend to. It all loses in court. Everyone shrugs, life goes on.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Good. So you know it's a loser in court.

I'd never accuse Trump or anyone else of fixing any messes. Not unless someone shoved a bunch of AIPAC money in his or her face.

I guess I'm trying to understand what part of college sports needs saving. All the fan bases still seem loyal. There are eyeballs in TV sets, asses in seats, money being made. By everyone.

Wait. That's it. The free labor model got blown up, the players can move freely, all the shady bag men are not needed anymore and everyone is clutching their pearls. If some kid wants to play for four schools in four years, that's between him and his parents and whatever goofball uncles are leeching off of his forty time. That's his business. If Michigan wants to outbid LSU for a high school quarterback that lives 30 minutes from their campus, Hail to the Dickheads.

As @Dale said in the thread that got locked, the schools and conferences are going to cheer this on or pretend to. It all loses in court. Everyone shrugs, life goes on.

Agreed 100%. But my cynical side also sees the scenarios you just correctly painted as coming back to bite colleges as most of these kids will get fleeced by their ”family”, agent &/or just by irresponsible money management (the latter the most likely). Then the lawsuits begin b/c some student-athlete ended up broke & w/o anything to fall back on and want their respective former employer to pick up the tab for the rest of their lives. And we know who pays that tab and it’s not the employer. Make it like full-time employee w/ no charade of being a student so they can’t come back and cry foul when they’re destitute like we’ve seen in the NFL & NBA. Then ESPN can do a 30-for-30 on broke college athletes the same way they did for former NFL players. It’s the circle of life, Simba.

 

[T Town Tommy]

My SEC brothern hasn't accepted the fact that outside of the two Texas teams, it's going to near impossible to compete with the B1G and ND year in and year out. Maybe they're slow learners ( I know my Bama brother's are), but the reality may slowly start to sink in.

As far as fixing CFB, don't really know what's to fix with the revenue being generated. The players are being paid a ridiculous amount of money right now. The market will eventually correct itself, we will probably end up with two super conferences and the NFL model, and eventually the traditionalists like me will die off. I feel as if I have one foot in the CFB grave now.

In the end. change is inevitable... progress is optional. Will be interesting what the next decade brings for sure.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Agreed 100%. But my cynical side also sees the scenarios you just correctly painted as coming back to bite colleges as most of these kids will get fleeced by their ”family”, agent &/or just by irresponsible money management (the latter the most likely). Then the lawsuits begin b/c some student-athlete ended up broke & w/o anything to fall back on and want their respective former employer to pick up the tab for the rest of their lives. And we know who pays that tab and it’s not the employer. Make it like full-time employee w/ no charade of being a student so they can’t come back and cry foul when they’re destitute like we’ve seen in the NFL & NBA. Then ESPN can do a 30-for-30 on broke college athletes the same way they did for former NFL players. It’s the circle of life, Simba.

I don't see how said scenario is a viable lawsuit that would win in court. I guess we'll see soon enough.

The pearl clutching started when the athletes were able to make money and move freely. Still find that terribly interesting.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I don't see how said scenario is a viable lawsuit that would win in court. I guess we'll see soon enough.

The pearl clutching started when the athletes were able to make money and move freely. Still find that terribly interesting.

Maybe but there will be some sob stories once they’ve burned thru their money and have nothing to fall back on. My perception on the “pearl clutching” is that it’s coming from SEC fans, coaches, ADs & politicians. I think B1G and ND fans are quite satisfied w/ paying players. Again that’s just my perception from down here in SEC country.

 

[jprue24]

Agreed 100%. But my cynical side also sees the scenarios you just correctly painted as coming back to bite colleges as most of these kids will get fleeced by their ”family”, agent &/or just by irresponsible money management (the latter the most likely). Then the lawsuits begin b/c some student-athlete ended up broke & w/o anything to fall back on and want their respective former employer to pick up the tab for the rest of their lives. And we know who pays that tab and it’s not the employer. Make it like full-time employee w/ no charade of being a student so they can’t come back and cry foul when they’re destitute like we’ve seen in the NFL & NBA. Then ESPN can do a 30-for-30 on broke college athletes the same way they did for former NFL players. It’s the circle of life, Simba.

Maybe but there will be some sob stories once they’ve burned thru their money and have nothing to fall back on. My perception on the “pearl clutching” is that it’s coming from SEC fans, coaches, ADs & politicians. I think B1G and ND fans are quite satisfied w/ paying players. Again that’s just my perception from down here in SEC country.

This is a red herring. Young adults are going to young adult and that includes blowing gobs (relatively) of money. I'm not surprised in the slightest that the "concern" over young black men coming into money is primarily coming from the south.

On topic, if I'm being unrealistic and ignoring egos, promotion/relegation is a structure that can handle haves and have nots without adding socialism to create parity. I have no idea how it would work or even if it could work, but with the sport continuing to consolidate at the top, this creates equal competition levels and earned opportunity for movement between the levels. You see it at the high school level and with professional soccer outside of the US

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

This is a red herring. Young adults are going to young adult and that includes blowing gobs (relatively) of money. I'm not surprised in the slightest that the "concern" over young black men coming into money is primarily coming from the south.

On topic, if I'm being unrealistic and ignoring egos, promotion/relegation is a structure that can handle haves and have nots without adding socialism to create parity. I have no idea how it would work or even if it could work, but with the sport continuing to consolidate at the top, this creates equal competition levels and earned opportunity for movement between the levels. You see it at the high school level and with professional soccer outside of the US

There as an entire 30 for 30 dedicated to said topic. Bernie Kosar, Andre Rison, Curt Schilling, the list goes on. They blew all their money as pro athlete ADULTS.

I continue to look at who is upset about all of this looking for change and what kind of changes they're trying to make. Nick Saban has been very outspoken about how awful things are now, which I find remarkably fascinating. This guy made over $120M coaching at Alabama alone. In addition to his ESPN job, he has an advisory role at Alabama that pays him about $42k PER MONTH.

Millionaire Nick Saban, 74 years of age, leading the charge of pearl clutchers trying to "save" college football.

In-fucking-credible.

 

[NorthDakota]

I guess I'm trying to understand what part of college sports needs saving. All the fan bases still seem loyal. There are eyeballs in TV sets, asses in seats, money being made. By everyone.

Curious if it holds up over time. It's easy to be a Notre Dame fan, the kids leaving ND are mostly leaving to get playing time. It sucks for the the lower/middle tier schools. They already get the leftovers of high school kids, now they get the leftovers of their own roster.

Maybe fans will just shrug their shoulders and get used to it. But i wouldn't be surprised if some just check out.

 

[MeanGreenBeans]

There as an entire 30 for 30 dedicated to said topic. Bernie Kosar, Andre Rison, Curt Schilling, the list goes on. They blew all their money as pro athlete ADULTS.

I continue to look at who is upset about all of this looking for change and what kind of changes they're trying to make. Nick Saban has been very outspoken about how awful things are now, which I find remarkably fascinating. This guy made over $120M coaching at Alabama alone. In addition to his ESPN job, he has an advisory role at Alabama that pays him about $42k PER MONTH.

Millionaire Nick Saban, 74 years of age, leading the charge of pearl clutchers trying to "save" college football.

In-fucking-credible.

Yeah Alabama Jones can cry me a river. Almost died laughing when Shane Gillis called him a cheater on live TV.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Yeah Alabama Jones can cry me a river. Almost died laughing when Shane Gillis called him a cheater on live TV.

Calling MacAfee a scumbag when he picked IU was the cherry on top.

 

[MeanGreenBeans]

I'm firmly in the camp of there's nothing that needs fixing. You like capitalism? Good me too.