Jaden Ivey - “Catholicism Is A False Religion”

[Blazers46]

As an outspoken Christian… as long as you have a relationship with Jesus Christ and you try to follow what the Bible says I don’t care what your Church building says.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

As an outspoken Christian… as long as you have a relationship with Jesus Christ and you try to follow what the Bible says I don’t care what your Church building says.

Where did the Bible come from? How were the books chosen? How do you know you are interpreting said Bible properly? All of those different interpretations are what causes so many new "Church buildings." They can't all be objectively true if they're teaching different things.

 

[NDBoiler]

Just ignore this crap and move on. It has zero impact on anything unless you let it live rent free in your head.

 

[Irish2155]

Just ignore this crap and move on. It has zero impact on anything unless you let it live rent free in your head.

I think what he’s trying to say is on a football message board. The rent free comment is his to own

 

[MacIrish75]

Do you believe that Jesus was crucified, buried, and then rose again?

Do you believe his death was done to take the burden of sin from us?

The rest is irrelevant. That’s the gospel. That’s the message. That’s the importance of next Sunday.

Where did the Bible come from? How were the books chosen? How do you know you are interpreting said Bible properly? All of those different interpretations are what causes so many new "Church buildings." They can't all be objectively true if they're teaching different things.

 

[Irish2155]

Do you believe that Jesus was crucified, buried, and then rose again?

Do you believe his death was done to take the burden of sin from us?

The rest is irrelevant. That’s the gospel. That’s the message. That’s the importance of next Sunday.

Resident preacher. Which is why most Atheists are Atheists

Do you believe that I suck bc I don’t brethe and eat the bible?

 

[MacIrish75]

Resident preacher. Which is why most Atheists are Atheists

Do you believe that I suck bc I don’t brethe and eat the bible?

I could name 3-4 actual verses in the Bible. I’ve listened to it all the way through a few times.

I like Galatians 6:9 and Joshua 1:9.

But I’ll never claim to be an expert or to know more about the Bible than the next guy. I think that’s where discipleship gets lost—when believers develop an “I know more than you” attitude.

I believe my role is to help further the kingdom and to be the hands and feet of Jesus on Earth.

 

[Irish#1]

Jaden has been waived by the Bulls

Cited as being outspoken against LGBTQ+ amongst other things. So much for free speech.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Do you believe that Jesus was crucified, buried, and then rose again?

Do you believe his death was done to take the burden of sin from us?

The rest is irrelevant. That’s the gospel. That’s the message. That’s the importance of next Sunday.

This sounds like merely intellectual assent or "Mere Christianity" to me.

Link: Is There a "Mere Christianity"?

Also, from the letter of James:

Faith without Works Is Dead​

14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters,[e] if you say you have faith but do not have works? Can faith save you? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and lacks daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and eat your fill,” and yet you do not supply their bodily needs, what is the good of that? 17 So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. 19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder. 20 Do you want to be shown, you senseless person, that faith apart from works is barren? 21 Was not our ancestor Abraham justified by works when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was brought to completion by the works. 23 Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness,” and he was called the friend of God. 24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 Likewise, was not Rahab the prostitute also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by another road? 26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is also dead.

 

[MacIrish75]

This sounds like merely intellectual assent or "Mere Christianity" to me.

Is There a "Mere Christianity"?

Also, from the letter of James:

Did the man next to Jesus on the cross have works?

I’m not a biblical scholar, but dang I think sometimes “religion” gets in the way of following the actual teachings of Jesus—what he said, did, and instructed us to do.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Did the man next to Jesus on the cross have works?

I would argue that if you believe in who Hesus

Is God unable to save anyone he wants despite what may be written throughout the Bible?

Do you believe the entirety of the Bible is the written word of God? Or just the parts that suit your interpretation of what is ultimately the important stuff?

 

[Irish2155]

I could name 3-4 actual verses in the Bible. I’ve listened to it all the way through a few times.

I like Galatians 6:9 and Joshua 1:9.

But I’ll never claim to be an expert or to know more about the Bible than the next guy. I think that’s where discipleship gets lost—when believers develop an “I know more than you” attitude.

I believe my role is to help further the kingdom and to be the hands and feet of Jesus on Earth.

But you don’t read the room…

 

[Irish2155]

Did the man next to Jesus on the cross have works?

I would argue that if you believe in who Hesus

You combat the room. Listen, don’t fight.

 

[GowerND11]

Cited as being outspoken against LGBTQ+ amongst other things. So much for free speech.

Didn’t see where the government threw him in jail…

 

[MacIrish75]

You combat the room. Listen, don’t fight.

 

[IrishLax]

Works based salvation and Mary along with all the Saints and idols yada yada yada. But if you answer all those, then they have a whole host of inconsequential differences.

It’s literally what they’ve been pushed on in the evangelical church. I used to be evangelical, and I used to hear it. I spent hours debating my family and answered all the questions name showed in scripture how we arrived at what we believe. By in the end, it doesn’t matter because we’re going to hell.

What's always been so weird to be is the logical disconnect between:
1. All you need is faith in Jesus to be saved

and

2. But Catholics, who believe in Jesus, are going to hell

...all from a religious group that basically didn't exist until the 18th century... which would imply centuries of original Christians (who were by default Catholic) are in hell. All the people who wrote the Bible that they hold in such esteem... burning in hell... lmao sure that makes a ton of sense

 

[Blazers46]

Where did the Bible come from? How were the books chosen? How do you know you are interpreting said Bible properly? All of those different interpretations are what causes so many new "Church buildings." They can't all be objectively true if they're teaching different things.

I agree to a point. A lot of times we major on the minors that are not eternity type matters and we argue for the sake of arguing.

 

[burmafrd1944]

Cited as being outspoken against LGBTQ+ amongst other things. So much for free speech.

you do not dare speak against the Holy Religion of LBGTWHATEVER and survive in the public anymore

 

[MacIrish75]

I agree to a point. A lot of times we major on the minors that are not eternity type matters and we argue for the sake of arguing.

This. We quibble over minutia when we all agree on the most important and fundamental aspect of it all.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Did the man next to Jesus on the cross have works?

I’m not a biblical scholar, but dang I think sometimes “religion” gets in the way of following the actual teachings of Jesus—what he said, did, and instructed us to do.

Who's words, ultimately, are those seen in the letter written by James that I quoted for you? Which "actual teachings" are you referring to?

Also, just for clarification, your definition of "works" is likely not that of which the Catholic Church teaches. If you think the CC's teaching on "works" are things we do in order to "earn" salvation, you'd be wrong. Saving grace is a free gift from God. Full stop.

Often semantics are used to twist things and straw man. Prots often call it "fruits."

 

[burmafrd1944]

Didn’t see where the government threw him in jail…

worse; the woke will destroy him

 

[Blazers46]

Did the man next to Jesus on the cross have works?

I’m not a biblical scholar, but dang I think sometimes “religion” gets in the way of following the actual teachings of Jesus—what he said, did, and instructed us to do.

Saved by grace!! Great comment.

 

[burmafrd1944]

I believe in God
but not any religion

 

[Blazers46]

I believe in God
but not any religion

Satan believes in God…

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I agree to a point. A lot of times we major on the minors that are not eternity type matters and we argue for the sake of arguing.

Who determines what is considered major and minor?

 

[Blazers46]

Who determines what is considered major and minor?

Jesus

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Jesus

Agreed.

But which teachings of his are major and minor? Is there a table of contents in the Bible to let us know? Do we sift through the pages looking for what suits our world view best and deem that a major? Is it only the letters in red?

 

[MacIrish75]

Who's words, ultimately, are those seen in the letter written by James that I quoted for you? Which "actual teachings" are you referring to?

Also, just for clarification, your definition of "works" is likely not that of which the Catholic Church teaches. If you think the CC's teaching on "works" are things we do in order to "earn" salvation, you'd be wrong. Saving grace is a free gift from God. Full stop.

Often semantics are used to twist things and straw man. Prots often call it "fruits."

Agree.

In my humble and very, very unscholarly opinion, the “works” we do, or “fruits” we bear are a reflection of our belief in Jesus and who He is.

As a Catholic for 23 years, I am very aware that Catholics DO NOT believe that salvation can be “earned.” I used to argue against that vehemently with my Protestant friends growing up—that and the fact that there is a difference between “worshiping” Mary and the saints and having a “reverence” or “adoration” for them.

 

[sfk324]

Do you believe that Jesus was crucified, buried, and then rose again?

Do you believe his death was done to take the burden of sin from us?

The rest is irrelevant. That’s the gospel. That’s the message. That’s the importance of next Sunday.

While I would generally agree, I was once in an auto shop in the ex-urbs of Chicago where two guys were talking religion with each other, and it was clear they were Protestants of some sort. One said to the other that Easter was for the Catholics. The other agreed. So there's that.

 

[MacIrish75]

While I would generally agree, I was once in an auto shop in the ex-urbs of Chicago where two guys were talking religion with each other, and it was clear they were Protestants of some sort. One said to the other that Easter was for the Catholics. The other agreed. So there's that.

I would not co-sign the “Grease Monkey Gospel.”