Trump Presidency Round 2

RDU Irish

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If he flips Venezuela, Iran, and Cuba, then his farts become more important than this opinion.

I fell for this shit under GW Bush. Worth a shot to flip Iraq. 20 years and trillions of $$ later I watch the shrink next door's endless supply of broken vets walk by every day.

If monkeys fly out of my ass I'll start a circus.

Why are we never allowed to DGAF about "foreign dictators?" Impossible to have a $1.5 trillion annual military budget without a ton of generals chomping at the bit all day looking for a fight.
 

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You might end up being right. But I think people being snake bitten from other interventions over the last 60+ years is completely justified.

Also, in regards to civilians... We have the girls' school, right.
I don’t know why or who hit the school. Some online are saying it was IRGC misfire and some say Israel and some say it was hit twice, so early to tell what the basis was there or what else was there.

I don’t think this administration has the appetite for a long-term war and appears set to roll out once the tide has shifted from the IRGC. I would think the pace of IRGC fire will slow soon as they continue to get lit up. It will be clearer soon, but I think the short term pain is worth it if we can stabilize Iran. I’m very worried about our base in Bahrain and the beautiful city of Dubai.


Safe to say our image in the world has recovered since the Afghans falling from planes. I am curious to see how this helps Ukraine, as we continue to box in Russia and take away their alliance.

 

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There will be zero IE libs that will like that post 54.


TDS prohibits it.

If these scenes were from INSIDE Iran they would carry a lot more weight. Send them all back there to build their country back (or fight for it to begin with). Happy they were able to escape an oppressive regime - where will they be when it comes time to clean up and build back?
 

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funny to watch you desperate to find a way to oppose and discredit this. Lindsay Grahams erection has still not come down yet. MAGA/GOP/Republicans are not one cult voice like the left.

Wait until next month when you see what Marco does to Cuba.

You are the first human since Jeffrey Epstein to care about Lindsay Graham's erection. (Joking, we all know his new AIPAC handlers care a lot too.)
 

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You are the first human since Jeffrey Epstein to care about Lindsay Graham's erection. (Joking, we all know his new AIPAC handlers care a lot too.)
I don’t care about it. I’m just 1000% confident in the status of it. Also, doubt Epstein cared about guys difficult to lure with women 🤷‍♂️


Interesting take:
 

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Well, no. Alexander the Great was that. And that history also illustrates that grand change is no obvious predictor of "good" vs "bad". A lot of history must take place before answers to "how much of a good thing overall was this action?" I'll be a bit more patient in waiting this out to make even an amateurish too-soon evaluation. Even in states of euphoria for some, it is not illegitimate to have concerns before the "Fire" dims down.

Part of why we got here is because we and the former Shah didn't get along at the end (internal arguments about Oil Prices --- the Shah carried BIG weight in OPEC), and high-up politicians consultants of both parties refused to support him when internal problems arose. Familiar anti-Muslim ideas were put forward as far as support for Iranian people and especially women were common, but the force behind our abandonment of him was Oil prices. Base Republican voters tended to support the Shah, while the upper influencers of both parties did not. Bottomline: follow the money, but also admit the complexity. Regime change is a dangerous animal.
 
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Cuba is next.



Also, maybe we do an exchange of some of our liberal white women for some of these Iranians.
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Well, no. Alexander the Great was that. And that history also illustrates that grand change is no obvious predictor of "good" vs "bad". A lot of history must take place before answers to "how much of a good thing overall was this action?" I'll be a bit more patient in waiting this out to make even an amateurish too-soon evaluation. Even in states of euphoria for some, it is not illegitimate to have concerns before the "Fire" dims down.

Part of why we got here is because we and the former Shah didn't get along at the end (internal arguments about Oil Prices --- the Shah carried BIG weight in OPEC), and high-up politicians consultants of both parties refused to support him when internal problems arose. Familiar anti-Muslim ideas were put forward as far as support for Iranian people and especially women were common, but the force behind our abandonment of him was Oil prices. Base Republican voters tended to support the Shah, while the upper influencers of both parties did not. Bottomline: follow the money, but also admit the complexity. Regime change is a dangerous animal.
I remember the news about the Shah. If he had cared as much about his people as he did himself I don't think Iran would be what they are today.
 

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Posting here since whining will happen:



Who could have told him this would happen.

By the way, the views were not good, he deleted the edited version (left up the live) and has lost followers. So it wasn’t some can’t miss business opportunity. Just as well could interview Matt Campbell.
 

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Nice, falling for Iranian propaganda


You realize that Radio Gilan is an opposition propaganda channel and isn’t a more reliable source on this than the Iranian state news, right?

Like I think the only honest read on this is we don’t have enough information to know whose missile hit that school. The only thing we can say for sure is a missile killed a lot of innocent girls, and it wouldn’t have if there wasn’t a hot war.

Which gets to my concern about this war. There sure does seem to be a lot of planning for the absolute best case scenarios, but I’m not sure I’ve seen anything to suggest we’ve thought through other scenarios.

I’m sure we can wipe out IRGC missile silos from the air. I’m sure we can kill leadership. But I don’t think we can use air power to meaningfully reduce the IRGC’s stranglehold over the Iranian economy, or to protect protestors from AK wielding basij militia, or to convince millions of religious Iranians that we didn’t just create the most important martyr in Shia Islam since the early Islamic era.

As OMM said-regime change is complicated. We’ve proved time and time again that we can bomb the shit out of a country’s government and kill or degrade its leadership. And time and time again we’ve learned that the result is worse than the (bad) status quo. Iran is bigger (population) wise than Iraq, Libya, and Syria combined. Its government is more deeply entrenched. Unless we’re planning on doing a WW2 scale invasion and occupation, I have no idea how people expect this to go well. When I see people talking about Kurdish militias or local uprisings, I immediately think of what happened to the Kurds and Shias we encouraged to rise up in 1991 in the wake of the Gulf War.

I hope im wrong and diaspora Persians have occasion to keep celebrating a year from now.
 

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An honest vulnerable moment from Trump from about 4 months ago (somehow I missed this; MTG referenced it in an interview today).

It's a moment of self awareness where the guy knows he's a bad man who's done A LOT of bad things throughout his life and so already knows there won't be any room at The Heavenly Inn for him.



It's kind of sad listening to him say it, but then I remember my bigger fear and point here is that what the Hell is a guy who is so rotten to the core that he knows he won't be allowed into the Pearly Gates doing running the most powerful country in the free world?

We are so fucked...
 
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You realize that Radio Gilan is an opposition propaganda channel and isn’t a more reliable source on this than the Iranian state news, right?

Like I think the only honest read on this is we don’t have enough information to know whose missile hit that school. The only thing we can say for sure is a missile killed a lot of innocent girls, and it wouldn’t have if there wasn’t a hot war.

Which gets to my concern about this war. There sure does seem to be a lot of planning for the absolute best case scenarios, but I’m not sure I’ve seen anything to suggest we’ve thought through other scenarios.
We also don’t really have enough information to definitively say that a missile hit the school. The only news reporting on it is sourced from the Iranian Regime itself.

Also why do you think you would have access to any of the underlying assumptions and expectations of top secret military plans?
 

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Curious to know if they were just aware of the pending bombing or also know the details and strategy.?
Does anyone know the strategy? The players sure can't keep their stories straight and keep changing it every time they speak.

 
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