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jprue24

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What a fucking asshole. The word "should" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. It's just going to confuse people.

Here is what is going to happen right now,

"Within 30 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of Education, in consultation with the Attorney General, the Secretary of Health and Human Services, the Secretary of Education, and the Chairman of the Federal Trade Commission, shall develop a plan to advance the policies set forth in subsections (a)-(c) of this section through all available and appropriate regulatory, enforcement, and litigation mechanisms, including Federal funding decisions, enforcement of Title IX of the Education Amendments Act of 1972, prohibiting unconstitutional actions by States to regulate interstate commerce, and enforcement of other constitutional and statutory protections, and by working with the Congress and State governments, as appropriate. "

 
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Honest question, does this have any jurisdiction or is it just political pandering?
Most seem to think there is nothing actually enforceable in the EO that would have a major impact on the status quo but that it muddies the water on the SCORE act which was working its way through Congress. The timing also coincides with two Democrat Senators pushing a bill to classify athletes as employees.
 

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Most seem to think there is nothing actually enforceable in the EO that would have a major impact on the status quo but that it muddies the water on the SCORE act which was working its way through Congress. The timing also coincides with two Democrat Senators pushing a bill to classify athletes as employees.
Would be surprised if Trump issued the EO because of this.

Given there is a 20.5 fund available now, I'm hoping the under the table crap is much less.
 

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Would be surprised if Trump issued the EO because of this.

Given there is a 20.5 fund available now, I'm hoping the under the table crap is much less.
Yeah there are basically four competing things right now:
1. The House settlement, which established a clearinghouse, and where the clearinghouse at first tried to say "booster collectives are banned" and then walked that back to "collectives are fine as long as the money passes the sniff test and is tied to actual endorsement activities." This is what was colloquially referred to this week as a "soft cap".

2. The SCORE Act, which had bipartisan support on the onset but only had Republican votes to get it out of committee, which has an unknown future in whether it actually becomes law. People have been optimistic this month, but some are now a little pessimistic. The very quick summary on the SCORE Act is that it:
--Wants to establish a framework for college athletics to standardize some of the craziness around transfers, NIL, etc. that have happened over the past few years. I do not have an opinion on whether their method of standardization is good or fair, but it basically wants to make it so that all states / schools that are operating on a certain tier of college sports have to do things the same way.
--It seeks to establish in law that athletes are NOT employees of the schools but ARE allowed to earn compensation within the framework
--It makes it so that all schools with a major football or basketball program (or any sport where a coach makes $250k+ but I think that would really only be those two) are REQUIRED to fund 16 varsity sports. Basically, they don't want schools cutting their athletic departments in order to only fund football.

3. As the SCORE Act made its way out of committee this month, two Democratic Senators introduced a bill to classify athlete as employees and explicitly allow for collective bargaining.

4. Immediately after, or roundabouts the same time, that the Democratic Senators introduced that bill Trump issued the EO linked above.

We obviously keep politics stuff off of the front page, but in this case it's the intersection of politics and college sports and has a profound impact on Notre Dame football. My opinion is that the worst system for everyone is the collective bargaining one as it is mostly likely to lead to disruption of college sports as we know it, and I have bias + strong feelings about the importance of "non-revenue" sports in all forms of secondary and non-secondary education. I don't want to see any system that is professionalized or profit driven and turns into a mini-NFL with all of the soccer, baseball, lacrosse, track, wrestling, etc. teams getting cut or defunded. I don't see any winners in that except for agents and a small handful of football/basketball players. Others will disagree with me, and I know that there are actually some schools that want collective bargaining because it's the "easiest" way to regulate things.

My other opinion is that the best system for Notre Dame is some version of:
--Direct revenue sharing where ND can pay on par with any other major school
--A system where collectives can still compensate players for NIL, because ND will have major issues competing with cheaters OR schools that can funnel large sums of money through car dealerships / local businesses. Any system with a strict NIL clearinghouse is going to be rough for Notre Dame because some schools (SEC, Miami, Oregon, USC, etc.) are not going to follow it while ND does.
--A transfer system that discourages first / second year transfers but encourages graduate / late career transfers. None of the coaches like having to "re-recruit" their freshman class every year. At the same time, proven players at the FCS level need to be allowed to move up. Proven players at small time schools need to be able to get fair market compensation. So you have to balance the absurd roster turnover that the sport currently has with what's fair. For Notre Dame, they aren't really going fishing for freshman transfers but they are often getting impact players who upperclassmen, so the above works best for us relative to our competitors.

And a whole bunch of other stuff that is secondary.
 

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Return money he was never paid? Yeah, that's not going to happen.

I've said it before: the current rules are GREAT for places like Notre Dame that are honorable, recruit the right culture fits, and fairly compensate those players. I hope these rules aren't changed anytime soon because all it will lead to is more cheating and us being left behind again.
 

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Return money he was never paid? Yeah, that's not going to happen.

I've said it before: the current rules are GREAT for places like Notre Dame that are honorable, recruit the right culture fits, and fairly compensate those players. I hope these rules aren't changed anytime soon because all it will lead to is more cheating and us being left behind again.

The problem is you know and I know other people aren’t smart enough to deal with this.
 

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Or... read the article
Interesting deal. I am familiar with similar arrangements in other industries where there is a separate fee-based services company unencumbered by the requirements of the “mission driven” counterparty. Serves as a great way to get money out of an otherwise pretty heavily regulated entity. Given this is a state university, the default is risk near-nil and I am sure the annual returns are at least in the mid-teens at the mean.

Great deals for the principals and investors in the new entity. Usually pretty shitty for everyone else. Looks like there are some unique safeguards like the Uni’s option to buy, but the other “retain control” provisions are usually pretty easy to get around with some cloak and dagger.
 
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Interesting deal. I am familiar with similar arrangements in other industries where there is a separate fee-based services company unencumbered by the requirements of the “mission driven” counterparty. Serves as a great way to get money out of an otherwise pretty heavily regulated entity. Given this is a state university, the default is risk near-nil and I am sure the annual returns are at least in the mid-teens at the mean.

Great deals for the principals and investors in the new entity. Usually pretty shitty for everyone else. Looks like there are some unique safeguards like the Uni’s option to buy, but the other “retain control” provisions are usually pretty easy to get around with some cloak and dagger.
I am very dubious of claims of control being given up. Not because I think control won't be given up, but because I would find it hard to believe they couldn't gain it, later.
Also, first of it's kind deals tend to miss secondary and tertiary effects. "You don't know what you don't know", etc.
 

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This is a funny Arch headline but also is more of a NIL overall headline
 

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This is a funny Arch headline but also is more of a NIL overall headline


This still blows my mind. If I had the Money that the Manning family has I wouldn’t care about a single penny. Make sure we have some playmakers on the offense and defense and spread that money out.
 

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Off the top of my head, I believe this is a possible path to see the House settlement start getting chopped/blown up. The arbitrary portal window is short and I seriously doubt the "mandatory" approvals/denials can happen quickly enough. Makes me think the CSC's authority to slow these deals down will get challenged in court on some, "Who the fook are these guys to be involved in our/my NIL deal?"

 

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I get why the poverty programs want a cap but I wonder what other teams or conferences want one? My guess is that most SEC schools would be for a cap. Everyone other than SEC fans knows why they want a cap.

Yep, and one of the first teams outside the SEC I thought about who previously excelled in the TP NIL game in the early days, but has not in the past 1-2 years - likely due to the quickly-growing NIL treasure chest outside the revenue cap required to compete - is FSU.
 

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Not laughing at you, laughing at the pearl clutching.

"MIAMI — In a Dec. 19 Instagram post announcing his intention to remain at Duke for the 2026 football season, quarterback Darian Mensah declared, “This team, this locker room, this family welcomed me with open arms ... When the odds were against us, we kept fighting. I wouldn’t trade any of it for the world.”

Four weeks later, barely beating the deadline to enter the transfer portal, Mensah traded it. He’s walking out on the second season of a two-year contract...


The first rule of modern college football is that loyalty is disposable." :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:


Like this doesn't already happen throughout humanity/society. Every team, everywhere. Someone received new information and changed their mind. How many coaches make the same statements before leaving for a better job?

"OHHHHHH WHAT IS WE GON DOOOOOO!!!!???????" :LOL:
 
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