Marcus Freeman named Dick Corbett Head Football Coach

[FOTY977]

I have heard the pods say there is a hiring freeze at ND right now. Maybe this could be part of it

Goodbye coach Free, hello Coach GPT!

 

[FOTY977]

Is that what happened or are you assuming?

We have seen multiple players sit for mental health or unspecified reasons without "injury" being the given reason. It would be widely out of the character/integrity shown for Freeman to do it with Gray.

If you are yelling at a bunch of intelligent young men to be accountable for their actions/decisions, embodying said principal(s) is important because integrity and credibility matter. He sets the tone, the culture, all that.

My entire point is that this man does not portrait himself as someone who would out and out lie when it wasn't "required". It's a compliment and imo a large reason the guy can influence in the way that he does

Am I understanding this correctly that you feel the ethically correct thing to do is to tell the media the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth and anything different from that is an indictment on his character?

 

[jprue24]

if it was immediately announced that a player was stepping away from ND for mental health, then the player made that announcement (think Ziegler).

Onye left the team and the school announced it was only for first one game at the time, and it was a personal matter. They kept saying that for a while.

I'm sure Gray was a little dinged up, it was a great chance to re set him and get him ready for what should have been a playoff run.

For a coach to come out and publicly bench a player and state it's due to effort, that can do even more damage. Showing confidence in the player to the media, IMO, was probably part of the "rebuild/refresh".

I don't have any concrete evidence/info in this specific case, i want to make sure that's clear. With that said, it's a very common situation in any sport for a player to lose confidence and it creates negative ripple effects in their play. The game film vs USC was very clear to me, and i'm sure the coaches as well, hell it was clear to freeman during the game. Nd was in a unique situation where they were not going to play a good passing team for a few weeks and could sit him.

I would fully expect ND to have a DB ready right behind Gray to start the season in 26, unlike this year.

I'm not trying to pretend this is an either/or situation. I'm saying there is no reason to say injury is causing technique to breakdown if he quit on himself.
You specifically brought up the possibility of "mind games" being played by the staff with a player who stopped trying... which... well, if Freeman was doing that makes his whole image false.

 

[jprue24]

Am I understanding this correctly that you feel the ethically correct thing to do is to tell the media the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth and anything different from that is an indictment on his character?

If that's what you take away from this...

Is that what happened or are you assuming?

We have seen multiple players sit for mental health or unspecified reasons without "injury" being the given reason. It would be widely out of the character/integrity shown for Freeman to do it with Gray.

If you are yelling at a bunch of intelligent young men to be accountable for their actions/decisions, embodying said principal(s) is important because integrity and credibility matter. He sets the tone, the culture, all that.

My entire point is that this man does not portrait himself as someone who would out and out lie when it wasn't "required". It's a compliment and imo a large reason the guy can influence in the way that he does

 

[Dale]

 

[IrishLax]

If this is the same guy who benched Christian Gray due effort and then told the media it was due to injury, he's a colossal fraud.

Messages of accountability get real hollow, real quick when you display none yourself.

Well the interesting part about that is that he didn't bench Christian Gray for effort

 

[Huntr]

I don't think we've heard of any issues with how the team is managed by actual players, coaches, admins or media covering the team, right?

This is just personal opinion, correct?

Not even judging, just making sure I'm understanding correctly.

 

[IrishLax]

The entire NY Giants media apparatus appears to have now seen this clip and they are all clamoring for Freeman on X lmao

Would be very not funny if viral displays of Freeman's leadership got him hired away from ND

 

[PutuporShutup]

Well the interesting part about that is that he didn't bench Christian Gray for effort

Pretty obvious it wasn’t for injury

 

[Irish5Saint]

Where Marcus Freeman and Notre Dame stand as the NFL coaching carousel looms (click on the text)

Where Marcus Freeman and Notre Dame stand as the NFL coaching carousel looms

Sampson says that Freeman has been privately and publicly advised to not take an NFL job yet.

 

[IrishLax]

Pretty obvious it wasn’t for injury

Obvious to who? Gullible people?

 

[jprue24]

Well the interesting part about that is that he didn't bench Christian Gray for effort

I have to say it's pretty fucking funny to get booed for using Freeman's behavior as evidence of his integrity.

I'll tag putup next time,

You really don’t think coaches bench players to teach them a lesson even if they’re full time starters and capable of playing ? Especially vs a terrible team!!!

It’s not ideal but it happens. I personally think it’s this …. If you’re not going to give 100% when you’re not 100% then you won’t be able to play unless you’re completely healthy.
Leonard Moore gave 100% on a high ankle sprain then sat the next 3 games as he was really injured. I’m sure gray is banged up, but again, you gotta bring it, he didn’t a lot of plays.

He was moving somewhat out there so that is a level of effort

Saying he went all out is disrespectful to the other 16 defenders that were actually going all out in the game.

There was a reason freeman had to get into him during the game and he almost never does that.

Please re watch the game before you disrespect NDs other defensive players like that.

His crappy effort started from the first series of the game. He was down on himself and absolutely gave up until he got the lucky interception on a terrible throw where his guy was wide open again.

I get it, he plays for ND so we want to believe something positive that isn’t true. I sure wish he was what we expected he would be after his frosh year. It just didn’t happen. We’re in a pickle because of his regression and lack of ability.

The guy I see wouldn't bother to say the above without leaving ambiguity if it wasn't accurate.

Put, I just don't see, this guy, benching a player to "teach a lesson" about trying hard. He does seem like the type of guy who would at least nod towards the real issue.
Saying "personal reasons" or "things to work on and giving him time in season to do it" accomplishes the exact same thing. No reason to say it was injury leading to technique.

Again for the confused... I say this because, from what I have seen/continue to see, I am incredibly high on Freeman as a leader. Leaders who preach integrity and accountability don't just toss out bs reasons for their decisions. This staff has shown they take mental health injuries as seriously as physical injuries.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Because Elon turned Twitter verification on its head. Went from verifying actual journalists and subject matter experts to verifying whoever would pay for the privilege and signal boost. Which means now if you are verified, like Wes there, I am more likely to believe you are a bullshit scam artist.

Genuinely curious about the thought process behind the down vote you got for this.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Obvious to who? Gullible people?

This guy been bashing this kid for 2 years now on this page. Hes not giving up now

 

[PutuporShutup]

Obvious to who? Gullible people?

Gullible people are those that take coach speak as matter of fact.

Obvious to people that can add 1 + 1 + 1 = 2

(he played like crap vs USC and have clear instances of loafing) + (he practiced all week, warmed up and dressed for multiple games but was ruled out vs bad passing offenses) + ( the monday of pitt he wasn't injured at all, 2 days after being "too injured" to play) = He wasn't benched for injury





The equation adds up to 3, just checking ya'll and getting a rise

 

[Huntr]

Genuinely curious about the thought process behind the down vote you got for this.

Leon's on IE

 

[NDohio]

Pretty obvious it wasn’t for injury

 

[ab2cmiller]

Pretty obvious it wasn’t for injury

You were proven to be an idiot regarding the issue back in November and you are now back for round 2.

 

[IrishLax]

I have to say it's pretty fucking funny to get booed for using Freeman's behavior as evidence of his integrity.

I'll tag putup next time,




The guy I see wouldn't bother to say the above without leaving ambiguity if it wasn't accurate.

Put, I just don't see, this guy, benching a player to "teach a lesson" about trying hard. He does seem like the type of guy who would at least nod towards the real issue.
Saying "personal reasons" or "things to work on and giving him time in season to do it" accomplishes the exact same thing. No reason to say it was injury leading to technique.

Again for the confused... I say this because, from what I have seen/continue to see, I am incredibly high on Freeman as a leader. Leaders who preach integrity and accountability don't just toss out bs reasons for their decisions. This staff has shown they take mental health injuries as seriously as physical injuries.

I un-booed you fwiw lol... I didn't see the "if" in the original post... bottom line is that gray had three significant injuries and was more or less forced to play through them because the defense was hot garbage with only young/inexperienced corners available behind him. The idea that they benched him for "effort" when they were basically begging him to keep going out there and gritting it out is bizarre.

 

[jprue24]

I un-booed you fwiw lol... I didn't see the "if" in the original post... bottom line is that gray had three significant injuries and was more or less forced to play through them because the defense was hot garbage with only young/inexperienced corners available behind him. The idea that they benched him for "effort" when they were basically begging him to keep going out there and gritting it out is bizarre.

I appreciate you and I will edit for clarity

A previous life (20+ years of it) taught me quite a bit about effective leadership and Freeman continues to nail the important shit.

 

[PutuporShutup]

I un-booed you fwiw lol... I didn't see the "if" in the original post... bottom line is that gray had three significant injuries and was more or less forced to play through them because the defense was hot garbage with only young/inexperienced corners available behind him. The idea that they benched him for "effort" when they were basically begging him to keep going out there and gritting it out is bizarre.

That absolutely is NOT the bottom line. But lets go ahead and pretend, and those significant "injuries" were miraculously all healed in less than 48 hours between not being able to play vs Navy saturday night, to not even being injured at all on Monday. I'll believe that "when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbert".

I think a lot of people are confusing "injury" with "hurt". I'm sure gray was a bit banged up and hurt, i don't for a second believe he was injured and out there. I don't believe this staff is the type to throw someone out there that's truly injured, let alone 3 significant injuries. Everyone handles pain differently, maybe his soreness was causing him to play with poor technique all season, i've never questioned that because his play was clearly poor, but it came to a head when the poor technique then turned into poor effort vs USC. Freeman said he laid into him during the game, I'd bet my mortgage he never used the word "technique" during that scolding.

 

[Meatloaf]

Where Marcus Freeman and Notre Dame stand as the NFL coaching carousel looms

Where Marcus Freeman and Notre Dame stand as the NFL coaching carousel looms

Sampson says that Freeman has been privately and publicly advised to not take an NFL job yet.

Having read the article, it is odd in the sense that Sampson seems to be dancing around something not stated.

My take: Freeman has been offered the Giants job and has a difficult decision to make. Getting an extension done by year end seems like more of an ultimatum given by Beviqua.

 

[PutuporShutup]

I'll try and get us back on track with Freeman and NFL - Not that this comment is going to do me any good here.

I don't think Freeman is an NFL coach at all. That doesn't mean he won't at some point leave and try to be. It's pretty clear, most if not all of the elite NFL head coaches are Xs and Os geniuses and scheme wizards. That is NOT freeman. Freeman is a motivator and an absolute elite relationship builder/recruiter. Again, not key characteristics of elite NFL head coaches. I really don't think if who we see is who freeman truly is, he'd have to significantly change to try and become a good NFL HC.

Hopefully he's smart enough to see he can make $15+mil a year for the rest of his college career, and get to be who he is. I think ND would invest more into ND like they are to continue helping his job become easier.

 

[NDPhilly]

I can't imagine tying myself to Jaxson Dart's success. He'd be leaving a more talented QB lol.

 

[allenm5333]

MF would be successful in the NFL because he is a leader of men

 

[Kingbish01]

I'll try and get us back on track with Freeman and NFL - Not that this comment is going to do me any good here.

I don't think Freeman is an NFL coach at all. That doesn't mean he won't at some point leave and try to be. It's pretty clear, most if not all of the elite NFL head coaches are Xs and Os geniuses and scheme wizards. That is NOT freeman. Freeman is a motivator and an absolute elite relationship builder/recruiter. Again, not key characteristics of elite NFL head coaches. I really don't think if who we see is who freeman truly is, he'd have to significantly change to try and become a good NFL HC.

Hopefully he's smart enough to see he can make $15+mil a year for the rest of his college career, and get to be who he is. I think ND would invest more into ND like they are to continue helping his job become easier.

Freemans speeches are meant for 17-21 year old kids....That choose hard shit doesn't work on grown men like TJ Watt/Cam Heyward Myles Garrett and or players like Antonio Brown. If he stays at ND (or college) he can be a legend. He takes the Giants job, he'll be fired within 4 years.

 

[Dale]

I can't imagine tying myself to Jaxson Dart's success. He'd be leaving a more talented QB lol.

Giants fan thought Dart was fun when he was treating his body like a human piñata and once he finally got hurt realized you can’t build a franchise on that game plan.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

The entire NY Giants media apparatus appears to have now seen this clip and they are all clamoring for Freeman on X lmao

Would be very not funny if viral displays of Freeman's leadership got him hired away from ND

But it would be so on brand for today’s world of sports.

 

[FWIrish4]

I un-booed you fwiw lol... I didn't see the "if" in the original post... bottom line is that gray had three significant injuries and was more or less forced to play through them because the defense was hot garbage with only young/inexperienced corners available behind him. The idea that they benched him for "effort" when they were basically begging him to keep going out there and gritting it out is bizarre.

Yeah what are you guys talking about here. Lax is spot on.

Do you think Gray played with a shoulder brace limiting his mobility for fun?!

 

[GATTACA!]

That absolutely is NOT the bottom line. But lets go ahead and pretend, and those significant "injuries" were miraculously all healed in less than 48 hours between not being able to play vs Navy saturday night, to not even being injured at all on Monday. I'll believe that "when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbert".

I think a lot of people are confusing "injury" with "hurt". I'm sure gray was a bit banged up and hurt, i don't for a second believe he was injured and out there. I don't believe this staff is the type to throw someone out there that's truly injured, let alone 3 significant injuries. Everyone handles pain differently, maybe his soreness was causing him to play with poor technique all season, i've never questioned that because his play was clearly poor, but it came to a head when the poor technique then turned into poor effort vs USC. Freeman said he laid into him during the game, I'd bet my mortgage he never used the word "technique" during that scolding.

What a bizarre hill to die on.

Either Gray was hurt or Freeman was sparing him the public scrutiny of being benched. Either are acceptable answers and I trust Freeman more to make that call than you. Who the fuck cares either way at this point?