Time for new partner: Big 10 or SEC?

[Bane]

Wow. As a lifelong ND fan and a Duke alum I must say I'm astonished at the ignorance of so many of the posts on this thread. Do you seriously think that either the B1G or the SEC covet ND as a "business partner" in an arrangement that preserves football independence? Really? That is delusional. All the P4 conference would love to have ND as a full member, no question. But only the ACC and the Big 12 would cut the deal y'all seem to want.
And your anger toward the ACC is ridiculous. Of course, the ACC is going to lobby for its member, and no doubt it was unhappy that it had to be at the expense of its self-described "business partner." But a duty is a duty for crying out loud. It was ND who chose to be the ACC's girlfriend but not on Saturday night, and now it throws a fit when the ACC has another date for Saturday night?
And yes, the Irish deserved a spot and got jobbed. But not by Miami, which was also deserving, or the ACC, but by the Committee that put its thumb on the scale in favor of the SEC's Alabama. So, what is your response? To a lot of you, it is a bizarre let's change dance partners to the SEC -- the conference that jobbed you and does not want the relationship to which you think you are entitled.
Holy smoke, gents. Not a good look.

"Lifelong ND fan."

 

[NDpendent]

 

[Mike Petrik]

Someone do the Dave Ramsey meme.

"So you think you're a big deal"?

"Yes Dave".

"You think any conference would take you just like that!?"

"Yes Dave".

ND is not only a big deal, it is the biggest deal in college football. By a lot. But if you think either the SEC or the B1G would add ND into their conference except for football which would remain independent, you are truly delusional.

 

[RudyVerse]

If you think either the SEC or the B1G would take you except for football which would remain independent, you are truly delusional.

I’m only here to talk football Dave, that is the scope of this discussion (and site).

Either would gladly take ND football in a day.

 

[DillonHall]

We already have future games scheduled with Alabama, Texas, Auburn, Florida, Clemson, Indiana, Michigan State, Wisconsin, and Michigan. We've recently played regular season games against Ohio State, Texas A&M, BYU, Georgia, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, etc. It seems plenty of teams are interested in scheduling us.

I wouldn’t be surprised if some of those games get canceled especially when the SEC plays more conference games

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

I wouldn’t be surprised if some of those games get canceled especially when the SEC plays more conference games

Maybe, maybe not. Others will be added.

The pearl clutching about name brand games is just hysterical to me.

 

[Mike Petrik]

I’m only here to talk football Dave, that is the scope of this discussion (and site).

Either would gladly take ND football in a day.

Oh, of course. Every conference covets ND football. No doubt. And if that time ever comes, and it might not, ND will get to choose the conference of its choice. No doubt about it.

 

[Bane]

Uh yeah, the B12 can fuck off. All of these collective bargaining consortiums will stick together and lick the boots of their corporate overlords.

 

[Dale]

Wow. As a lifelong ND fan and a Duke alum I must say I'm astonished at the ignorance of so many of the posts on this thread. Do you seriously think that either the B1G or the SEC covet ND as a "business partner" in an arrangement that preserves football independence? Really? That is delusional. All the P4 conference would love to have ND as a full member, no question. But only the ACC and the Big 12 would cut the deal y'all seem to want.
And your anger toward the ACC is ridiculous. Of course, the ACC is going to lobby for its member, and no doubt it was unhappy that it had to be at the expense of its self-described "business partner." But a duty is a duty for crying out loud. It was ND who chose to be the ACC's girlfriend but not on Saturday night, and now it throws a fit when the ACC has another date for Saturday night?
And yes, the Irish deserved a spot and got jobbed. But not by Miami, which was also deserving, or the ACC, but by the Committee that put its thumb on the scale in favor of the SEC's Alabama. So, what is your response? To a lot of you, it is a bizarre let's change dance partners to the SEC -- the conference that jobbed you and does not want the relationship to which you think you are entitled.
Holy smoke, gents. Not a good look.

The SEC would do it. If they turned down ND, they’ve essentially pushed ND to their last resort - joining the Big Ten. That doesn’t make any competitive or financial sense for them to do.

 

[Dale]

Uh yeah, the B12 can fuck off. All of these collective bargaining consortiums will stick together and lick the boots of their corporate overlords.

Yormark sucking the teet hoping to get a second team at some point.

 

[NDWarrior]

I'm thinking the other important reason for getting more big games throughout the season is to keep the big game attraction front and center for recruits. We don't want to lose any top recruits due to a lack of them and a weak schedule.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Bad actors.

PB's point about ND going on the road for these ACC games and selling them out, ND vs ACC teams having high TV ratings, that's all part of "don't bite the hand that feeds you" as far as I'm concerned. The ACC has been perfectly fine with ND being independent in football because they're seeing dollars from it. It would be very easy to take the other sports and those football dollars away to someone else.

Yormark can eat an ass.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I'm thinking the other important reason for getting more big games throughout the season is to keep the big game attraction front and center for recruits. We don't want to lose any top recruits due to a lack of them and a weak schedule.

Right, people asking for a cupcake schedule every year are missing the big picture. Might increase our short term odds of making the playoffs but over the medium and long run that’s a path to irrelevance. ND can only maintain its independence so long as its commanding national attention … this year the viewership for the Miami game was almost 10x the viewership for the Stanford and Syracuse games. We can’t live on scraps forever.

 

[Dale]

The video:



Seriously why the fuck does Yormark care to trot out the same talking points?

 

[IrishinSyria]

Well fuck the big 12 idea then.

 

[Huntr]

Uh yeah, the B12 can fuck off. All of these collective bargaining consortiums will stick together and lick the boots of their corporate overlords.

PICK ME! PICK ME!


Your own conference members hate you Bert

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Bad actors.

PB's point about ND going on the road for these ACC games and selling them out, ND vs ACC teams having high TV ratings, that's all part of "don't bite the hand that feeds you" as far as I'm concerned. The ACC has been perfectly fine with ND being independent in football because they're seeing dollars from it. It would be very easy to take the other sports and those football dollars away to someone else.

Yormark can eat an ass.

ND is also 32-7 against the ACC since their partial member agreement. Yet none of those wins counted as conference losses to the opposing teams. ND doesn't take a seat at their conference championship table. And yes, ND is entirely responsible for their sellouts. I heard Jamie and Greg say something along the lines of 20% sellout rate for ACC vs ACC games and 90%+ sellout rate when ND comes to town. ND also gets just above the base viewership payout from ESPN via the ACC. A far cry from the money full members are getting (even when you factor in the NBC deal). You're welcome ACC.

The people who complain the loudest about ND's status have no idea that ND pays an "Independence tax" to stay that way. See above. They're convinced ND gets their cake and eat it too.

 

[PolishDomer]

Wow. As a lifelong ND fan and a Duke alum I must say I'm astonished at the ignorance of so many of the posts on this thread. Do you seriously think that either the B1G or the SEC covet ND as a "business partner" in an arrangement that preserves football independence? Really? That is delusional. All the P4 conference would love to have ND as a full member, no question. But only the ACC and the Big 12 would cut the deal y'all seem to want.
And your anger toward the ACC is ridiculous. Of course, the ACC is going to lobby for its member, and no doubt it was unhappy that it had to be at the expense of its self-described "business partner." But a duty is a duty for crying out loud. It was ND who chose to be the ACC's girlfriend but not on Saturday night, and now it throws a fit when the ACC has another date for Saturday night?
And yes, the Irish deserved a spot and got jobbed. But not by Miami, which was also deserving, or the ACC, but by the Committee that put its thumb on the scale in favor of the SEC's Alabama. So, what is your response? To a lot of you, it is a bizarre let's change dance partners to the SEC -- the conference that jobbed you and does not want the relationship to which you think you are entitled.
Holy smoke, gents. Not a good look.

Finnebaum, go back to ESPN

 

[stlnd01]

The video:



Seriously why the fuck does Yormark care to trot out the same talking points?

He seems like an idiot.

Obviously Bevacqua is going directly at the ACC (not the committee, the SEC, or ESPN) for a strategic reason. He’s not being emotional and throwing a fit, he’s positioning us in public, and negotiating behind closed doors. What exactly he is negotiating is not fully clear. (Perhaps an exit from the ACC). But I suspect it will be.

 

[TorontoGold]

Wow. As a lifelong ND fan and a Duke alum I must say I'm astonished at the ignorance of so many of the posts on this thread. Do you seriously think that either the B1G or the SEC covet ND as a "business partner" in an arrangement that preserves football independence? Really? That is delusional. All the P4 conference would love to have ND as a full member, no question. But only the ACC and the Big 12 would cut the deal y'all seem to want.
And your anger toward the ACC is ridiculous. Of course, the ACC is going to lobby for its member, and no doubt it was unhappy that it had to be at the expense of its self-described "business partner." But a duty is a duty for crying out loud. It was ND who chose to be the ACC's girlfriend but not on Saturday night, and now it throws a fit when the ACC has another date for Saturday night?
And yes, the Irish deserved a spot and got jobbed. But not by Miami, which was also deserving, or the ACC, but by the Committee that put its thumb on the scale in favor of the SEC's Alabama. So, what is your response? To a lot of you, it is a bizarre let's change dance partners to the SEC -- the conference that jobbed you and does not want the relationship to which you think you are entitled.
Holy smoke, gents. Not a good look.

Hi Michael.

As a very proud Duke alum, can you please explain to me in which case a month long public tour of calling out a partner or even a competitor unworthy of a position you covet to be a normal endeavor?

I'd like to clarify your point on the ACC "lobbying". Maybe I'm not travelling in the same circles as a Duke alum would be, but down in the lowly gutters in which I operate, lobbying is usually done by emphasizing your own strengths. Typically, it's seen as uncouth.

As a commoner, I typically like to cultivate mutually beneficial relationships in which we both can thrive. But, if I see that this partner is running me down within our industry, and isn't really seen as a beacon of a well run entity itself, I would be inclined to seek other arrangements.

Maybe it's a learned trait, or, a behavior that hasn't been bestowed upon myself like it was to you, but I can't understand the want to be publicly antagonized and demeaned by your partner when there was a much more egregious ranking of teams in front of them that they could point to. Maybe it would have been more beneficial for them to mention how great one of their own members Florida State University (FSU for the simple folk) had such a lopsided win over Alabama.

Warmest regards,

Simpleton.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

… this year the viewership for the Miami game was almost 10x the viewership for the Stanford and Syracuse games. We can’t live on scraps forever.

Well, for one, we should have cancelled the Stanford series A LONG TIME AGO. That’s absolutely a net negative, and now they are going to weaponize it against us (ie, putting it on at 10:30 pm eastern). Guess what, it won’t be the last time that happens if we keep scheduling that horseshit game,

 

[greyhammer90]

The SEC would do it. If they turned down ND, they’ve essentially pushed ND to their last resort - joining the Big Ten. That doesn’t make any competitive or financial sense for them to do.

Bingo. Our absolute worst case scenario is going to the B1G/SEC with no notable concessions. Most schools outside those clubs would kill to get into them.

The SEC knows: 1) We are the last truly huge property that isn't locked up long- term, 2) that we're in the heart of B1G's geographic footprint, 3) that we have a TV deal on a channel they don't currently get to dominate, and 4) that if all they offer us is full membership, we're going to the B1G.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Well, for one, we should have cancelled the Stanford series A LONG TIME AGO. That’s absolutely a net negative, and now they are going to weaponize it against us (ie, putting it on at 10:30 pm eastern). Guess what, it won’t be the last time that happens if we keep scheduling that horseshit game,

Maybe I’m biased because I’m on pacific time and like the night game but Stanford is low on my list of complaints (though if their program continues to go it shit it is hard to see the upside).

Still think getting rid of the navy game has to be priority #1. They went 9-2 this year (and will almost certainly smoke Army) and the committee went out of its way to not rank them just to make sure we didn’t have another ranked win. It’s all downside no upside, and for what, just so a bunch of wannabe ring knockers can target our knees?

 

[Bane]

Yormark sucking the teet hoping to get a second team at some point.

ESPN laughs as it adds a 6th SEC team next year.

 

[Irish#1]

For those closer to these things, would ND now be willing to join a conference (SEC or Big12) that doesn’t align with ND academics? That has always been a key factor in past discussions.

 

[thekid33]

For those closer to these things, would ND now be willing to join a conference (SEC or Big12) that doesn’t align with ND academics? That has always been a key factor in past discussions.

I think the Big12 commissioner sunk any remote chance of that particular option happening.

 

[bumpdaddy]

Maybe I’m biased because I’m on pacific time and like the night game but Stanford is low on my list of complaints (though if their program continues to go it shit it is hard to see the upside).

Still think getting rid of the navy game has to be priority #1. They went 9-2 this year (and will almost certainly smoke Army) and the committee went out of its way to not rank them just to make sure we didn’t have another ranked win. It’s all downside no upside, and for what, just so a bunch of wannabe ring knockers can target our knees?

Navy is essentially an ally. We need to keep as many allies as we can at this point.

 

[ozzman]

Ya think?! First thought that crossed my mind is Pete didn't like their offer or told him they're going elsewhere

 

[ozzman]

Did anyone hear this? I didn't listen to pod yet. This is insane if true

 

[greyhammer90]

Did anyone hear this? I didn't listen to pod yet. This is insane if true

Yes Fortuna says it early in the podcast.