2025 College Football Playoffs

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DillonHall said:
I'm talking about spots in the 12-team playoff, not seeding
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You literally said they’ll jump ND…. NOT true. You’re clearly too ignorant to understand that they seed separate from who gets an auto bid. Moron
 
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IRISHDODGER said:
True but it doesn’t matter to the media. They’ll simply look at score differential. Whether the committee is swayed by that remains to be seen but they have to be hearing the drum beat by ESPN et al regarding H2H. If H2H is the tiebreaker between Miami & ND, this is the week it could come into play. My hope is they have put separation between the two schools for a reason. Like others said, they’ve basically told us that ND is the better team so I would hope it doesn’t come down to one common opponent b/c both teams handled Pitt easily in their place. Splitting hair beyond that makes no sense.
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Both were easy wins; beyond that, I don't think, say, a margin of 25 vs. 35 vs. 45 matters very much.
 
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bcole2 said:
What's interesting is the odds on Fanduel are -3000 for ND and +128 for Miami. If our fate was truly tied to Miami it would be a lot more affected. And I think it's largely because Miami's metrics are still going to look consistently worse than ours after today, just like they did on Tuesday when Dinich showed them.
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That’s what gets overlooked. The metrics favor ND. The media (not the committee) is obsessed w/ one game and one game only among all CFP contenders. Not FSU over Bama. Not UF over TX. Not SCum over scUM. Not Oregon over PSU. They’re obsessed by Miami over ND back in week one & don’t want the metrics nor reality to cloud that one singular point.
 
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IRISHDODGER said:
That’s what gets overlooked. The metrics favor ND. The media (not the committee) is obsessed w/ one game and one game only among all CFP contenders. Not FSU over Bama. Not UF over TX. Not SCum over scUM. Not Oregon over PSU. They’re obsessed by Miami over ND back in week one & don’t want the metrics nor reality to cloud that one singular point.
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This is why I think they jump ahead of Bama and land right behind us. If it comes down to sacrificing an otherwise deserving team, I think it will be Oklahoma or Bama.
 
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OhioIrish said:
This is why I think they jump ahead of Bama and land right behind us. If it comes down to sacrificing an otherwise deserving team, I think it will be Oklahoma or Bama.
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Imagine the uproar about the H2H if ND is 9 and Miami is 10 in the rankings. I'm here for it.
 
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bcole2 said:
Imagine the uproar about the H2H if ND is 9 and Miami is 10 in the rankings. I'm here for it.
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If that’s the case we are both in though, right? Would be Bama doing the uproaring.
 
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The odds dropping for ND were clearly all tied to the possibility of Michigan winning.

The only way ND is out now, assuming ND wins, is these results occur:

Oklahoma beats LSU
Oregon beats Washington
Alabama beats Auburn
Alabama beats Georgia
BYU beats Texas Tech.

I’d assume a ML parlay of all those is about +1500, mainly because of next weeks games.

We breathe easy tonight if one of the first 3 upsets happen, no matter how unlikely.
 
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notredomer23 said:
The odds dropping for ND were clearly all tied to the possibility of Michigan winning.

The only way ND is out now, assuming ND wins, is these results occur:

Oklahoma beats LSU
Oregon beats Washington
Alabama beats Auburn
Alabama beats Georgia
BYU beats Texas Tech.

I’d assume a ML parlay of all those is about +1500, mainly because of next weeks games.

We breathe easy tonight if one of the first 3 upsets happen, no matter how unlikely.
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This is quite precisely correct. Assuming we don’t look terrible against Stanford and get jumped by Miami.
 
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If the whole point of the CFP 12-team format is to open up the playoffs to give more teams a post-season second chance, then let's just open it up even more since there are about 14-16 teams that can all make some kind of claim to get in. It does appear that the number of late-season upsets are lacking this year (kind of an exception) but I think CFP expansion will eliminate all this craziness of jawboning and running up scores, etc. The final selection of teams is still a political, beauty pageant kind of contest. That really frustrates teams on the margin with a claim to entry when they're left out. So for example, with a 16-team playoff, the frustration and controversy is much less.

Right now, it feels like the old BCS selection process but just for more teams in the mix. Expanding the field will help relieve the selection process pressure. And so again, for example, the only teams bickering this year would be the much less-talented 2- and 3-loss teams down at the 14 to 16 spots. So this year, Texas, VA, Vanderbilt, and Utah. Much less drama down there.

You just won't have the first round byes and how do they deal with the lack of a playoff game for ND? But really, how many at large teams (Miami, Ole Miss this year, for example) with no CC game will be in play every year anyway? That issue gets increasingly muted anyway. As has been speculated, I would say let's go to super conferences where ND is just included in one of them, even if they're still independent, and they just start playing.

What does a CC game and victory buy anyway? You play the extra CC game and you many not even get a first round bye anyway. The rivalry games like OSU/MI, TX/OK, and USC/ND are more important than a CC game. There seems to be a better format and path to CFP out there.
 
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The Pitt game with Miami is a wash.. as long as we dominate Stanford tonight everything remains the same.

Alabama winning their next two games is not a stretch,

BYU on the other hand is not beating Texas Tech.. giving up 21 to UCF right now.
 
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NDWarrior said:
If the whole point of the CFP 12-team format is to open up the playoffs to give more teams a post-season second chance, then let's just open it up even more since there are about 14-16 teams that can all make some kind of claim to get in. It does appear that the number of late-season upsets are lacking this year (kind of an exception) but I think CFP expansion will eliminate all this craziness of jawboning and running up scores, etc. The final selection of teams is still a political, beauty pageant kind of contest. That really frustrates teams on the margin with a claim to entry when they're left out. So for example, with a 16-team playoff, the frustration and controversy is much less.

Right now, it feels like the old BCS selection process but just for more teams in the mix. Expanding the field will help relieve the selection process pressure. And so again, for example, the only teams bickering this year would be the much less-talented 2- and 3-loss teams down at the 14 to 16 spots. So this year, Texas, VA, Vanderbilt, and Utah. Much less drama down there.

You just won't have the first round byes and how do they deal with the lack of a playoff game for ND? But really, how many at large teams (Miami, Ole Miss this year, for example) with no CC game will be in play every year anyway? That issue gets increasingly muted anyway. As has been speculated, I would say let's go to super conferences where ND is just included in one of them, even if they're still independent, and they just start playing.

What does a CC game and victory buy anyway? You play the extra CC game and you many not even get a first round bye anyway. The rivalry games like OSU/MI, TX/OK, and USC/ND are more important than a CC game. There seems to be a better format and path to CFP out there.
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Exhibit A, Mario Cristabol jawboning his team and making excuses for their losses right now...
 
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These are Auburns wins this year:

Baylor
Ball State
South Alabama
Arkansas
Mercer

What a joke schedule.
 
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WildMan1 said:
The Pitt game with Miami is a wash.. as long as we dominate Stanford tonight everything remains the same.

Alabama winning their next two games is not a stretch,

BYU on the other hand is not beating Texas Tech.. giving up 31 to UCF right now.
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It’s BYU 37 - UCF 21
 
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NDWarrior said:
If the whole point of the CFP 12-team format is to open up the playoffs to give more teams a post-season second chance, then let's just open it up even more since there are about 14-16 teams that can all make some kind of claim to get in. It does appear that the number of late-season upsets are lacking this year (kind of an exception) but I think CFP expansion will eliminate all this craziness of jawboning and running up scores, etc. The final selection of teams is still a political, beauty pageant kind of contest. That really frustrates teams on the margin with a claim to entry when they're left out. So for example, with a 16-team playoff, the frustration and controversy is much less.

Right now, it feels like the old BCS selection process but just for more teams in the mix. Expanding the field will help relieve the selection process pressure. And so again, for example, the only teams bickering this year would be the much less-talented 2- and 3-loss teams down at the 14 to 16 spots. So this year, Texas, VA, Vanderbilt, and Utah. Much less drama down there.

You just won't have the first round byes and how do they deal with the lack of a playoff game for ND? But really, how many at large teams (Miami, Ole Miss this year, for example) with no CC game will be in play every year anyway? That issue gets increasingly muted anyway. As has been speculated, I would say let's go to super conferences where ND is just included in one of them, even if they're still independent, and they just start playing.

What does a CC game and victory buy anyway? You play the extra CC game and you many not even get a first round bye anyway. The rivalry games like OSU/MI, TX/OK, and USC/ND are more important than a CC game. There seems to be a better format and path to CFP out there.
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The whole point was to generate more revenue and attention and on that score it’s working fine.

Expanding it will never work to make it more fair because the deeper you go the more teams there will be with colorable arguments.
 
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All the people calling us bedwetters for being concerned, I’m assuming you’re not paying attention to the full blown propaganda machine against ND. The entire second half of the Pitt game was non stop talk about how good Miami is. There’s a very good chance that ND ends up at 10 and Miami 11. At that point I see no reason why the committee doesn’t use h2h and swap the ND and Miami. To put this all to rest, need Alabama lose today or next Saturday, or Miami to get to the ACC championship and win it. Unless something really unexpected happens like Oklahoma or Oregon losing which I don’t see happening.
 
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peadeam said:
All the people calling us bedwetters for being concerned, I’m assuming you’re not paying attention to the full blown propaganda machine against ND. The entire second half of the Pitt game was non stop talk about how good Miami is. There’s a very good chance that ND ends up at 10 and Miami 11. At that point I see no reason why the committee doesn’t use h2h and swap the ND and Miami. To put this all to rest, need Alabama lose today or next Saturday, or Miami to get to the ACC championship and win it. Unless something really unexpected happens like Oklahoma or Oregon losing which I don’t see happening.
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Who invited Fuller McAllister?
 
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In all serious I think we win and we're in, but playing after midnight after all these coaches get to win and give their speech into the camera and have commentators suck them off... doesn't help.
 
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