Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[Irish4life]

247 put out a report saying BK would want Sparty if/when it opens

 

[ab2cmiller]

247 put out a report saying BK would want Sparty if/when it opens

I don’t believe it for a second. I believe this is misinformation intentionally leaked to give some “assurance” to LSU that they won’t be on the hook for the entire buyout and will speed a resolution.

If BK would truly be interested in coaching again he would’ve taken the 30 million offer with the offset waived.

 

[NDMatt91]

247 put out a report saying BK would want Sparty if/when it opens

Nick Marsh, come on down!

 

[TorontoGold]

I don’t believe it for a second. I believe this is misinformation intentionally leaked to give some “assurance” to LSU that they won’t be on the hook for the entire buyout and will speed a resolution.

If BK would truly be interested in coaching again he would’ve taken the 30 million offer with the offset waived.

That's a great point. He would get the 30M, probably 15M payments over two years, and then a 5x5? deal to MSU. Would be 55M in a 5 year period, which his finance team would beg him to take.

Or he just wants his money and will collect it no matter how much the legal bills will cost.

 

[IrishLax]

I never hope that fat fuck wins … the way he left Notre Dame and tarnished her name on the way out … we don't have the environment or the resources to compete for championships… he wanted a new challenge, despite never being inning anything of note.

He could have left with dignity, with class. But, no… He intentionally and purposefully took shots at Notre Dame on the way out. He tried to push the blame on Notre Dame for his lack of championship caliber success all the while, it was solely on him. Look what his successor has done… A first time coach has rallied and resurrected the program to levels he never could achieve or attain. Freeman is fighting for another playoff birth, while Kelly, the loser, was fired before even getting into the month of November

I do think you're correct that it was very, very important for ND's brand that he fail spectacularly and that Marcus Freeman succeed how he did. It basically torpedoed the narrative that you "can't win big at ND" and that there was some sort of ceiling.

If Kelly won a championship at LSU and Freeman had imploded I think ND would've been in a reallllllllllly tough spot looking for their next head coach + trying to find even footing in the constantly shifting landscape of college football.

 

[HouseofPain]

I don’t think LSU intended to fire him initially. AD wanted to sacrifice the OC to appease a crowd and it turned into a d1ck measuring contest. BK didn’t think that they would do anything due to the size of the buyout so he acted like he did. The AD being the idiot that he is, had to show that he had the bigger set of balls and not be challenged by an employee, did the unthinkable. Hence we have what we have. I bet today both people wish they could redo that meeting again.

Do I think BK will ever coach again? Not at all. He’s proving to be a little bit more than average coach with a super size ego. I never forget that prick first signing day video when he was trying to tell everybody how to tie neckties argue with some kind of authority. I can only imagine his wife can only stay in his presence long enough to look at the bank account.

 

[MrNimbus]

Look, I've never held back my disdain for BK after he left. But him being a massive douchebag, or not being worth that contract is irrelevant here. Contracts need to be honored by both parties. Unless something comes out about him not fulfilling his end, lsu needs to pay him. Buyers remorse isn't a defense. (I feel gross now)

 

[ND88]

Johnny's (sp?) take from Always Irish is the best take. Just sit back and watch it all burn.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I firmly believe now and MF has shown that there is a BK ceiling and not a ND ceiling. I might go so far as to say the BKs system was the ceiling.

 

[Irish#1]

I never hope that fat fuck wins … the way he left Notre Dame and tarnished her name on the way out … we don't have the environment or the resources to compete for championships… he wanted a new challenge, despite never being inning anything of note.

He could have left with dignity, with class. But, no… He intentionally and purposefully took shots at Notre Dame on the way out. He tried to push the blame on Notre Dame for his lack of championship caliber success all the while, it was solely on him. Look what his successor has done… A first time coach has rallied and resurrected the program to levels he never could achieve or attain. Freeman is fighting for another playoff birth, while Kelly, the loser, was fired before even getting into the month of November

I get where you're coming from, but he didn't tarnish her name. He may have raised some doubts with his "can't win at ND" BS, but any tarnish or doubts there might have been was wiped away with Kelly's firing and more importantly MF's success..

 

[Irish#1]

I firmly believe now and MF has shown that there is a BK ceiling and not a ND ceiling. I might go so far as to say the BKs system was the ceiling.

I think you hit the nail on the head. He knows how to build a winning program, but not a championship caliber program.

 

[NorthDakota]

I don't want to defend BK or anything but in his defense he had some stellar teams who would have made some noise in the playoffs.

 

[Bane]

I don't want to defend BK or anything but in his defense he had some stellar teams who would have made some noise in the playoffs.

I think the ceiling on a BK Era team in a 12 team playoff is last year's PSU team: get a lucky draw, beat two undermanned opponents, lose to the first real playoff team you play.

 

[BrianWalsh]

What LSU has to lose is the fact this will affect their ability attract big name coaches for some time after they see that the school will try to fuck you out of your buyout when they fire you 3.5 years into your megadeal. Why would a coach with other, comparable options, go to LSU when one day the governor could step in and fire you and then have the school turn around try to pay you less than half of your buyout?

Frankly, I don't think that's going to be an LSU problem. After the Franklin and Kelly fiascos, I think that buy-outs are going to go away. Perhaps a one-year severance or something with increases in annual salary.

 

[NDMatt91]

I think the ceiling on a BK Era team in a 12 team playoff is last year's PSU team: get a lucky draw, beat two undermanned opponents, lose to the first real playoff team you play.

I wish we could've seen that 2015 team at full strength AND with a good Defensive Coordinator. I genuinely think they could've won the Natty in that 4 team playoff at full strength and no BVG.

 

[Hautian Domer]

Per BetOnline, the odds of LSU getting Nick Saban have dropped from 75/1 to 2/1...I don't see Saban getting back into coaching. That would be one heck of an upgrade though.

 

[NorthDakota]

Per BetOnline, the odds of LSU getting Nick Saban have dropped from 75/1 to 2/1...I don't see Saban getting back into coaching. That would be one heck of an upgrade though.

Would be fine for a 3 year deal but I don't see him wanting to get back into this

 

[Bane]

I wish we could've seen that 2015 team at full strength AND with a good Defensive Coordinator. I genuinely think they could've won the Natty in that 4 team playoff at full strength and no BVG.

That was probably the best overall BK Era team.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

That was probably the best overall BK Era team.

That offense! 4 1st rounders, 2 2nd, a 3rd, a 5th (who’s still in the league) and a 7th. Add Tillery, Day, Rochell, Romeo, Luke, Russell, Farley, and the best player in college, Jaylon Smith. That squad was absolutely wasted.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I wasn't crazy about him when he was hired. I mostly didn't like a lot of the off the field things that happened while he was head coach and his tone whenever he spoke about certain things. I was impressed with how he audited. Getting housed by Navy and losing to Tulsa, they pivoted and closed that season out strong. Hiring Chip Long and Mike Elko ended up being very good decisions. He nailed it with Lea and Freeman, of course, too. Moving Chuck Martin to OC was bold, but it ended up being a good move. Not great or terrible, but good.

I hope he gets his money in the end. Crazy as it sounds, I don't like the guy, but I really hate the game more than the playa when it comes to this situation. They offered him this slapdick deal and now they have to pay up.

 

[Pete]

Per BetOnline, the odds of LSU getting Nick Saban have dropped from 75/1 to 2/1...I don't see Saban getting back into coaching. That would be one heck of an upgrade though.

im gonna guess that that’s a nice little cash grab for betonline from LSU fans wanting it to happen.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Tigerdroppings has been interesting the last couple of days.

I think most posters recognize the stupidity of LSU trying to claim that they could still fire BK with cause and still meet the contractual requirements.

There is a vocal segment that are adamant that the firing wasn't official yet because they didn't provide a written termination notice. Thus they could still provide notice of their intent to fire with cause, then give BK 7 days to respond to the allegations before finally "officially" terminating him and fulfill all the requirements for termination for cause.

 

[IrelandIrish]

I think you hit the nail on the head. He knows how to build a winning program, but not a championship caliber program.

He needs a coach to coach him In other words

 

[IrishLax]

I wish we could've seen that 2015 team at full strength AND with a good Defensive Coordinator. I genuinely think they could've won the Natty in that 4 team playoff at full strength and no BVG.

Joe Schmidt and BVG killed that team. Should've been 11-1 at worst with an opportunity to be 12-0 had the "bring your own guts" Clemson game gone the other way in the rain. Completely wasted ELITE OL + Jaylon Smith.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

Joe Schmidt and BVG killed that team. Should've been 11-1 at worst with an opportunity to be 12-0 had the "bring your own guts" Clemson game gone the other way in the rain. Completely wasted ELITE OL + Jaylon Smith.

The injuries across the board that year were pretty difficult to overcome as well.

 

[NDPhilly]

2015 was the closest I think talent wise we were to the top of the sport until last year. Strong 2012-2014 classes (especially 2013) that we couldnt capitalize on and build off of.

The more you look at the 2017-2021 seasons you get why BK left. He couldn’t get recruiting to where it needed to be, and he wasn’t willing to put in the work (or just wasn’t capable) of doing it. LSU being one of the easiest places to recruit in the sport was a logical fit considering that.

 

[Kingbish01]

2015 was the closest I think talent wise we were to the top of the sport until last year. Strong 2012-2014 classes (especially 2013) that we could capitalize on and build off of.

The more you look at the 2017-2021 seasons you get why BK left. He couldn’t get recruiting to where it needed to be, and he wasn’t willing to put in the work (or just wasn’t capable) of doing it. LSU being one of the easiest places to recruit in the sport was a logical fit considering that.

I don't know, defense was always suspect that year. As close as ND was to being 11-1 or 12-0, they were just as close to being 7-5 or 8-4

 

[KPENN]

I don't know, defense was always suspect that year. As close as ND was to being 11-1 or 12-0, they were just as close to being 7-5 or 8-4

Talent wise, yes. That was BK’s best team on paper at ND

 

[Kingbish01]

Talent wise, yes. That was BK’s best team on paper at ND

Oh for sure, you can't argue that. I take back my initial reaction after I looked at the roster. I don't take back that they were almost coached to an 8-4 season. And the cherry was the typical ass kicking in a big bowl.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

2015 was the closest I think talent wise we were to the top of the sport until last year. Strong 2012-2014 classes (especially 2013) that we could capitalize on and build off of.

The more you look at the 2017-2021 seasons you get why BK left. He couldn’t get recruiting to where it needed to be, and he wasn’t willing to put in the work (or just wasn’t capable) of doing it. LSU being one of the easiest places to recruit in the sport was a logical fit considering that.

This was true prior to Covid/NIL/Portal. I think he underestimated how much things were going to change.

Whoever they hire to replace him, I'm really interested to see how they do in the first few years, especially considering what Coach Free has cooking at ND.

Imagine both ND and LSU thriving after Kelly leaves them. Ouch.