The boys of summer! (Baseball Thread)

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Well, there's a half dozen cities with teams that are closer than Toronto that these people are probably fans of.
Yes, and there are plenty of people in BC that were cheering for Seattle over the Jays. If you’re in Calgary/Edmonton you could go either way. Montreal they’re likely cheering for the Jays, as much as they hate Toronto they hate Yankees/Red Sox more and the fact they feel robbed when their team was moved.
 

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Yes, and there are plenty of people in BC that were cheering for Seattle over the Jays. If you’re in Calgary/Edmonton you could go either way. Montreal they’re likely cheering for the Jays, as much as they hate Toronto they hate Yankees/Red Sox more and the fact they feel robbed when their team was moved.

Right, point being if you're living in Vancouver and the Mariners are out, you cheer for the Canadian team just like that grumpy old boomer cheered for the Dodgers. Or if you're in the Peg and the Twins get eliminated, you root for Toronto.

It's not the same as SEC.


*edit- now I have to gargle with bourbon after defending that dude's take.
 

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They got the MVP right but I would have had no problem with Will Smith...guy caught all 7 games, including the marathon 18 inning game, and had the game winning homerun.
 

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Right, point being if you're living in Vancouver and the Mariners are out, you cheer for the Canadian team just like that grumpy old boomer cheered for the Dodgers. Or if you're in the Peg and the Twins get eliminated, you root for Toronto.

It's not the same as SEC.


*edit- now I have to gargle with bourbon after defending that dude's take.

By virtue of them being the Dodgers, it is the SEC. They have the largest payroll, and won most recently.

Don’t worry, our contrarian friend will now have you on ignore if he hasn’t already.
 

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That crazy thing is Dave Roberts isn’t a good manager. The dodgers just spend enough money to make him look good.
He made the decision to switch to Miggy Ro for a spark. He put Pages in for defensive purposes and he made a game saving play immediately. I’ve had plenty of beef w/ some of his decisions but last season & this season, his positives far outweigh his negatives.
 

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Exactly my point. Could be any team vs the Jays and you’d support them over the Jays. That’s incredibly backwards. Imagine cheering for the white sox over the jays?



To me it seemed like a 2024 ND type run. You had the dolts on the outside pick them as some plucky underdog, but they really had a nice collection of talent - just not Dodger level.

The whole “buying a championship” thing is also dumb as fuck. Are the teams not supposed to improve their rosters? Every fan wants their team to buy the best players, if you want ridiculous parity go cheer for an NHL team.
Yes I would have rooted for the White Sox too. Don’t see the blue Jays making it back either. Maybe the raptors will have a good season.
 

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I get the calls for a salary cap, but baseball just had it's first repeat champion in 25 years whereas the capped leagues have all had multiple in that timeframe. The Chiefs have won 3 Super Bowls and gone to 5 since 2019 with a hard salary cap in the NFL. The Patriots dominated for decades. In the NHL the two Florida teams have gone to 3 straight Cup Finals winning 2, sandwiched in between was a Golden Knights win. The Knights have gone to the playoffs every year of their existence except 1 and have gone to 2 Stanley Cup Finals.

On the flip side you have the perennial disasters like the Browns, the Jets, and the Raiders.

I don't actually care if the MLB gets a cap, its just not going to bring about the parity some of you think it will.
The ones whining for a salary cap would’ve ironically been the same ones advocating for free agency & unions back in the Curt Flood days through the Andy Messersmith/Dave McNally 70s. Once the MLBPA was established & Marvin Miller ushered in FA, what did everyone expect? It was great for awhile before the owners got caught colluding vs the players in 80s.

Nobody should feel sorry for owners who invest millions in bad players. Steinbrenner is the perfect example. And Moreno of the Angels? Remember Anthony Rendon? Dude was MVP worthy in 2019 & parlayed his huge season into a multi-year contract w/ the Angels. Then what happened? Why aren’t front offices held responsible for horrible FA investments? Moreno had Pujols/Trout/Ohtani on the same roster & couldn’t win dick. And they were playing for free.

I predict there will be a lockout in ’27 and public pressure will lead to a salary cap and teams like the Pirates, the Twins, ChiSox, Angels, Royals, etc will still be shit & their owners will be laughing all the way to the bank after pulling their collective cocks out of their fans’ asses.
 

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I predict there will be a lockout in ’27 and public pressure will lead to a salary cap and teams like the Pirates, the Twins, ChiSox, Angels, Royals, etc will still be shit & their owners will be laughing all the way to the bank after pulling their collective cocks out of their fans’ asses.
And the Dodgers will still be good because they perennially have an excellent farm system and (generally) make great FA signings. And eventually once the Dodgers hit a down patch it will be someone else. Sports dynasties are inevitable because there is always a lot of bad management and mediocrity in any field and a small collection of elite management and talent. There's also tons and tons of salary cap manipulation in any sport. My Knights are a frequent abuser of loopholes in the NHL cap system. Good organizations find the loopholes and exploit the margins. Just the way the world works.
 

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He made the decision to switch to Miggy Ro for a spark. He put Pages in for defensive purposes and he made a game saving play immediately. I’ve had plenty of beef w/ some of his decisions but last season & this season, his positives far outweigh his negatives.
I also don't think managing a clubhouse like the Dodgers is as easy as it sounds. Maybe Roberts doesn't "do" much but baseball managers really don't compared to a football HC. Roberts keeps the vibes high and the clubhouse loose and guys love to play for him. He's not a brilliant tactician but you don't really need that in baseball. And whatever one thinks of him, he's going to be in the HOF one day.
 

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That crazy thing is Dave Roberts isn’t a good manager. The dodgers just spend enough money to make him look good.
Are you the poster who was adamant that the Dodgers overspent on Shohei? I truly can't remember but I remember defending the Dodgers and their creative solutions to payroll.

Sure seems like he was worth it at this point.
 

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Terrible, lazy hire. The worst winning % in Colorado Rockies history. Totally stale and lifeless organization. “Braves Way” ass hire. I am vomit.
 

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Terrible, lazy hire. The worst winning % in Colorado Rockies history. Totally stale and lifeless organization. “Braves Way” ass hire. I am vomit.


I agree, he was good player. I wanted some from outside the Braves to change some things up.
 

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I agree, he was good player. I wanted some from outside the Braves to change some things up.
I'll give them credit for shaking up the rest of the coaching staff and going younger there. Really interested to see if other outside candidates turned them down or if it was all show so the Braves could do what they always do: hire internally to keep the "Braves Way" rolling. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, but the Braves aren't ever going to try anything different so it is what it is.
 

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I'll give them credit for shaking up the rest of the coaching staff and going younger there. Really interested to see if other outside candidates turned them down or if it was all show so the Braves could do what they always do: hire internally to keep the "Braves Way" rolling. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, but the Braves aren't ever going to try anything different so it is what it is.
I saw a video and Chipper was excited. I know he played with Wiess, so you have to talk that with a grain of salt. I mean Chipper was my favorite player.
 

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I saw a video and Chipper was excited. I know he played with Wiess, so you have to talk that with a grain of salt. I mean Chipper was my favorite player.
I love Chipper, but he's the very definition of a Company Man.
 

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Terrible, lazy hire. The worst winning % in Colorado Rockies history. Totally stale and lifeless organization. “Braves Way” ass hire. I am vomit.

I agree. I think they could have done way better. It isn't so much what happened in Colorado. Those teams were poorly run by Dan O'Dowd. That World Series run against Boston got him a contract extension that was done in the haste of the moment.

The Braves extended Anthopoulos last year to 2031. Go figure.

Weiss hasn't been a manager in ten years. I don't know what he offers the Braves or anyone else.

Sad. They really showed promise not long ago and as someone whose formative years were in the 90s watching cable TV, they're one of those teams I always followed.
 

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I agree. I think they could have done way better. It isn't so much what happened in Colorado. Those teams were poorly run by Dan O'Dowd. That World Series run against Boston got him a contract extension that was done in the haste of the moment.

The Braves extended Anthopoulos last year to 2031. Go figure.

Weiss hasn't been a manager in ten years. I don't know what he offers the Braves or anyone else.

Sad. They really showed promise not long ago and as someone whose formative years were in the 90s watching cable TV, they're one of those teams I always followed.
What he offers the Braves is that he played for them in the 90s, he's buddies with Chipper, and was already on the coaching staff. This a patented "Braves Way" hire and all of the smoke around the guy from the Dodgers was probably just so they could check a box and say they've done due diligence. The Braves hire managers like BK hires coordinators.

Don't get me wrong, it's been pretty successful going back 35 years, but they've left so much meat on the bone. They had a window to be a real dynasty a couple of years ago and really settled. The window truly shut when they let Freddie out of the building and I will never forgive them for letting the heart and soul of the franchise leave. He'll retire a Dodger and probably enter Cooperstown with a "LA" on his cap rather than an "A."
 

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What he offers the Braves is that he played for them in the 90s, he's buddies with Chipper, and was already on the coaching staff. This a patented "Braves Way" hire and all of the smoke around the guy from the Dodgers was probably just so they could check a box and say they've done due diligence. The Braves hire managers like BK hires coordinators.

Don't get me wrong, it's been pretty successful going back 35 years, but they've left so much meat on the bone. They had a window to be a real dynasty a couple of years ago and really settled. The window truly shut when they let Freddie out of the building and I will never forgive them for letting the heart and soul of the franchise leave. He'll retire a Dodger and probably enter Cooperstown with a "LA" on his cap rather than an "A."
Sounds quite a bit like the White Sox. Just without the crazy decade long run.

Its frustrating, and it really starts with the franchise culture beginning at the top with ownership and the front office. It would seem that the Braves have better resources and infrastructure to end up running their team this way. If you don't have smart people doing smart things, whoever the manager is really won't matter in the long run.

Weiss could be getting hung out to dry for his second go around.
 

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Sounds quite a bit like the White Sox. Just without the crazy decade long run.

Its frustrating, and it really starts with the franchise culture beginning at the top with ownership and the front office. It would seem that the Braves have better resources and infrastructure to end up running their team this way. If you don't have smart people doing smart things, whoever the manager is really won't matter in the long run.

Weiss could be getting hung out to dry for his second go around.
Braves are owned by a large media conglomerate, Liberty Media, thus AA sort of runs his own shop. They have tons of the money, the Battery (the new stadium and dining/shopping complex they built in Marietta) prints money for them.

I do like the coaching staff shakeup they underwent, so I'm willing to wait and see and be proven wrong. It was just a kick in the nuts to be probably the most desirable managerial opening this offseason and to feel like they just reverted to a lazy hire they could have announced an hour after Snitker retired.
 

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Braves are owned by a large media conglomerate, Liberty Media, thus AA sort of runs his own shop. They have tons of the money, the Battery (the new stadium and dining/shopping complex they built in Marietta) prints money for them.

I do like the coaching staff shakeup they underwent, so I'm willing to wait and see and be proven wrong. It was just a kick in the nuts to be probably the most desirable managerial opening this offseason and to feel like they just reverted to a lazy hire they could have announced an hour after Snitker retired.
Hiring from within usually feels "lazy", and I agree with you in this case. Former player, hasn't managed in a decade, on the 2024 staff. You have to wonder what he's going to bring that's fresh and new when he's been there already.
 

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Steven Vogt back to back manager of the year winner. Kind of surprised he got it this year tbh. Well deserved though for the way he managed to navigate the whole Clase/Ortiz situation and lead the team back from being 15.5 out.
 

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Both Manager of the Year award winners are back-to-back winners. Doubt that’s ever happened. Cool to see former ND HC Pat Murphy doing well at the highest level.
 

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I saw where from 2007-17 only 3 teams spent more than Detroit. With the Prospects they have incoming, would be nice to start paying up again and make a few runs at it. Not optimistic though.
 

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Judge MVP.

A teammate said Skenes has said he wants to play for the Yankees, but he's denying it. Yankees could use him.

For months, debate has swirled about the American League Most Valuable Player Award.

Would the honor go to New York Yankees right fielder Aaron Judge for the third time in four years after another extraordinary offensive season, or would it go to Seattle Mariners catcher Cal Raleigh, who smashed his way into the record books with 60 home runs?

AL MVP Award Voting​

The top five vote-getters for the American League Most Valuable Player Award in balloting conducted by the Baseball Writers' Association of America.

Player123Tot
Aaron Judge1713--355
Cal Raleigh1317--335
Jose Ramirez----19224
Bobby Witt Jr.----9215
Tarik Skubal----1139
On Thursday, voters narrowly chose Judge, who continued to cement his place among baseball's all-time greats by becoming the 13th player to win three or more MVPs. He joins Yogi Berra, Joe DiMaggio and Mickey Mantle as the only Yankees to have accomplished the feat.

The vote from the Baseball Writers' Association of America was one of the closest in years. Judge received 17 of the 30 first-place votes and 13 second-place votes. Raleigh received the other 13 first-place votes while finishing second on the other 17 ballots.
 
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