'23 MO CB Christian Gray (Notre Dame Signee)

[irishff1014]

I am not sure what happened to him since the USC game last year but he has not been good a football.

 

[IrishBoognish]

yall are blaming him and its stupid

we dont have a d line and our O line sucks balls

its not his fault

 

[NDPhilly]

Not excusing his awful play but I think he’s hurt, and should probably sit out Purdue.

He fucked his shoulder up against Miami and reagravated it in the first quarter it seemed. Explains why his tackling was shit too.

 

[irishff1014]

yall are blaming him and its stupid

we dont have a d line and our O line sucks balls

its not his fault

He got burnt off the line almost every route.

 

[T-Boone]

He is in the 6 jersey right? I just see him trailing 5 paces behind some WR all game.

 

[Dale]

I am not sure what happened to him since the USC game last year but he has not been good a football.

We started playing better teams.

Gray has not played well once in his career against a competent passing attack, unless you count PSU - I don’t - who portaled out their entire WR unit.

 

[bkess8]

Needs to be held accountable for his poor play. It started with the head down zero effort tackle attempt and went down hill from there.

 

[stlnd01]

Not excusing his awful play but I think he’s hurt, and should probably sit out Purdue.

He fucked his shoulder up against Miami and reagravated it in the first quarter it seemed. Explains why his tackling was shit too.

We’re just so thin at corner. But yes maybe Purdue is a good chance to give the freshmen some reps.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Needs to be held accountable for his poor play. It started with the head down zero effort tackle attempt and went down hill from there.

This. After his pathetic attempt at tackling he got smoked deep all game, had a personal foul in the end zone, and had a moronic penalty on like 3rd and 17.

There needs to be accountability in the program, and he needs benched even if the next man up struggles.

It’s how you build a program with culture.

We currently have a culture of smack talk, individuals over team, no leadership, and failure 3 of 4 seasons.

 

[benneboy]

We started playing better teams.

Gray has not played well once in his career against a competent passing attack, unless you count PSU - I don’t - who portaled out their entire WR unit.

Hes just not fast enough to keep up with high level receivers. Probably looks great in practices because we haven't had a guy that could run by anybody in a good 8 years but he gets exposed everytime he runs into someone that can.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Yep. Gray's playing hurt (in more than one area) in the upper body. Before the non-arm non-tackle, he went to the sidelines with a bad wrist. I forgive him some for that, but he could still have thrown his body in there on the big run along the sideline (where pretty much everybody screwed it up.)

 

[NDFAN2008]

We started playing better teams.

Gray has not played well once in his career against a competent passing attack, unless you count PSU - I don’t - who portaled out their entire WR unit.

This I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the Freshman this year or Adams coming in starts over him next year

 

[SportsingHard]

Needs to be held accountable for his poor play. It started with the head down zero effort tackle attempt and went down hill from there.

What is this even supposed to mean? You want him benched? Have you noticed every time his backup enters the game, the opponent scores on the first play?

 

[stpeteirish]

Gray is asked to play press man to man all over the field and gets exposed vs the really good WR's. But the alternatives are even worse unless we figure out how to play zone.

 

[Irish2155]

He is in the 6 jersey right? I just see him trailing 5 paces behind some WR all game.

#6 on on defense is correct. Trust me, it came up often in the group text last night.

 

[Irish2155]

Talking mouths/typing fingers buddies kept chirping about the PSU pick and the pick 6 at USC last year.

Fair. Those were historic plays within our history. But he’s had a ton of bad, too. USC picked his ass apart last year. Before and after that pick 6.

And remember that Watts had to bail his out, again, with his own 100 yd pick 6.

He’s average

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

He’s so feast or famine.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

Tough crowd. When he's starting on Sundays in a couple years we'll wish we still had him. The entire defense is underpeforming but for some reason its Hinish and Gray that consistently get called out. I think its scheme more than individual talent.

 

[stlnd01]

Tough crowd. When he's starting on Sundays in a couple years we'll wish we still had him. The entire defense is underpeforming but for some reason its Hinish and Gray that consistently get called out. I think its scheme more than individual talent.

He gets beat once in awhile and draws penalties, but he always goes for it. Over most of the last quarter century he would be the best corner on our team, just so happens he's contemporaries with BenMo and Moore.

 

[ulukinatme]

He gets beat once in awhile and draws penalties, but he always goes for it. Over most of the last quarter century he would be the best corner on our team, just so happens he's contemporaries with BenMo and Moore.

You make a great point. I don't think anyone says anything if BenMo and Moore just didn't exist. Because we have/did have two extremely excellent cover corners it puts a spotlight on Gray in comparison. Gray will make some phenomenal plays, and then make some big mistakes getting burned or drawing an unnecessary penalty. It's feast or famine I think.

 

[bkess8]

What is this even supposed to mean? You want him benched? Have you noticed every time his backup enters the game, the opponent scores on the first play?

If youre hurt and you can't give 80% then go sit on the bench and let someone else step up. Also its not the fault of the younger CBs that we have horrible over the top coverage to help them out. I say 80% because that seems to be better that what I seen during his tackling attempt during the game, head down, arms down, zero effort.

 

[NDFAN2008]

He's a liability against teams that have 2 great WR's watch him ball out the rest of the year but then get tore up against USC. If he doesn't figure it out he's gonna be getting passed by some of the hungry Freshman or Adams coming in if he sticks.

 

[MacIrish75]

The biggest issue is that you really can’t move him into a nickel/apex type of role because he doesn’t tackle particularly well in run support. Ideally Devonta Smith gets healthy and Tae can take some additional reps at corner.

Or let Zackery get some more run at corner and have Tae play more nickel.

Either way a Gray/Hobbs duo has proven to be nightmare fuel.

 

[NDFAN2008]

The biggest issue is that you really can’t move him into a nickel/apex type of role because he doesn’t tackle particularly well in run support. Ideally Devonta Smith gets healthy and Tae can take some additional reps at corner.

Or let Zackery get some more run at corner and have Tae play more nickel.

Either way a Gray/Hobbs duo has proven to be nightmare fuel.

I agree good news is we aren't going to face a team again until USC whose got that good of WR's so we should start getting these young guys some more reps. I'd love to see Blair get in this weekend too

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

The biggest issue is that you really can’t move him into a nickel/apex type of role because he doesn’t tackle particularly well in run support. Ideally Devonta Smith gets healthy and Tae can take some additional reps at corner.

Or let Zackery get some more run at corner and have Tae play more nickel.

Either way a Gray/Hobbs duo has proven to be nightmare fuel.

Tae is the 2nd best safety essentially. And he is the future at that position. You absolutely do not move him CB. No way, no how.
I do want someone to explain to me how Cree Thomas has fallen from grace. I really thought he was going to be the next in line - now we have a big youth gap.

 

[Dale]

Cree Thomas has fallen from grace. I really thought he was going to be the next in line - now we have a big youth gap.

Thomas is a freshman just like Zackery and Golden, he just had spring practice.

 

[NDFAN2008]

Tae is the 2nd best safety essentially. And he is the future at that position. You absolutely do not move him CB. No way, no how.
I do want someone to explain to me how Cree Thomas has fallen from grace. I really thought he was going to be the next in line - now we have a big youth gap.

Agree he was making noise all spring then nothing. Idk like I said hopefully we can get Thomas, Golden, Blair, Long, Zackery all some reps against Purdue.

 

[MacIrish75]

Tae is the 2nd best safety essentially. And he is the future at that position. You absolutely do not move him CB. No way, no how.
I do want someone to explain to me how Cree Thomas has fallen from grace. I really thought he was going to be the next in line - now we have a big youth gap.

Yeah, I certainly get that perspective--but in my mind we need to make sure the best 11 guys are playing. Tae is one of the best 11 presently in my eyes and right now his skillset would appear (based on two games) to be needed at corner moreso than as a rotational safety.

That is, unless he ends up starting due to Shuler's ejection. He's got the ability (Tae) to have some positional flexibility and we may need to tap into that.

 

[Dale]

Tae Johnson needs to be the FS. They have been as bad at safety as they have been at corner.

The Toney TD on Hobbs, Talich can’t flip his hips to rotate, doesn’t get proper depth. The Concepcion deep ball on Zackey, Stroman is late to help. The Craver TD, Stroman bites on it being to the flat.

 

[Dale]

Really the entire point of having Moore as your boundary CB is he can lock his WR, his third himself. So the over the top safety should be helping Gray on deep balls, Hobbs on crossers. The underneath safety should be helping Hobbs. I don’t know where the safeties are half the time they could be doing this. In no man’s land.