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Israel and Judaism are two different things.

This might come as a shock to you but there are a significant number of anti Zionist Jews.

So, back to the Nazi Germany conflation. Please tell me which countries Iran has invaded ala Germany during WW2?

Iran and Israel are antagonists sure. It makes sense that Iran would be antagonistic to a US proxy (or more increasingly a country that dictates US foreign policy) that has nuclear weapons and given all the shit the US has done to Iran.

However, comparing Iran to Nazi Germany is moronic and to another point presented earlier one of them is committing an actual genocide and it’s not Iran.

There was an agreement in place that would have deescalated all of this and Trump decided to throw it out the window.
Comparing Nazi Germany to modern day Iran isn't moronic, and your take here is pitiful.

If your neighbor said many times over that he hated you, wanted you dead, and you saw him building weapons, you wouldn't do nothing.
 

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While we may not know its location, buy bombing those facilities, didn't we make it difficult for them to do anything with it?
These were enriching facilities. If they already have enriched uranium then they theoretically don't need those facilities.
 

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Comparing Nazi Germany to modern day Iran isn't moronic, and your take here is pitiful.

If your neighbor said many times over that he hated you, wanted you dead, and you saw him building weapons, you wouldn't do nothing.
Israel was a big supporter of the Shah.

To borrow your analogy, if your neighbor helped your other neighbor torture and kill your friends and family you wouldn’t do nothing.
 

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Heh, I don't care about anything
 

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TG-such a self serving statement. Gaze lovingly at yourself in the mirror and marvel at your love for humanity. You can do better.
 

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TG-such a self serving statement. Gaze lovingly at yourself in the mirror and marvel at your love for humanity. You can do better.
Yeah you're truly awoken, do you have any words of wisdom to us mere mortals?
 

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I genuinely want to know at what point do Muslim's become a human being in some people's eyes.
When they act like civilized human beings and stop blowing up planes, stop strapping explosives to their wives and children to blow up others, stop hiding beneath schools and hospitals, stop raping, stop murdering teenage girls and dragging their bodies through the street in celebration, stop beheading those who disagree with their crazy ass religion, stop throwing gays off buildings, stop invading other countries and attempting to turn them into sharia law controlled shitholes like the one they fled, and stand up for decency and denounce those of their brotherhood who do all those things.

None of us are against Muslims for being Muslim or being brown. We're against a significant portion of them for their behavior and threat to peaceful civilization.
 

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When they act like civilized human beings and stop blowing up planes, stop strapping explosives to their wives and children to blow up others, stop hiding beneath schools and hospitals, stop raping, stop murdering teenage girls and dragging their bodies through the street in celebration, stop beheading those who disagree with their crazy ass religion, stop throwing gays off buildings, stop invading other countries and attempting to turn them into sharia law controlled shitholes like the one they fled, and stand up for decency and denounce those of their brotherhood who do all those things.

None of us are against Muslims for being Muslim or being brown. We're against a significant portion of them for their behavior and threat to peaceful civilization.

Crazy ass religion and stop invading other countries - those are some insane comments.

Sharia law is not being implemented in any meaningful way in any European or Western country. This is fear porn.

Significant portion? What amounts to a significant portion? Want to make sure we're setting clear guidelines on what a significant portion is.
 

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Looks like Iran's neighbors aren't coming to their rescue.

But even as Middle Eastern leaders were quick to criticize President Donald Trump’s paradigm-shifting assault on Iran following 10 days of Israeli bombardment, the American strikes are likely to be accepted — and even privately cheered — by an Arab officialdom that has long seen Shia Iran as the primary threat to regional stability.

“These countries are quietly delighted to see Iran cut down to size,” said Firas Maksad, the managing director for the Middle East and North Africa at the Eurasia Group.

For generations, Iran has cultivated powerful proxy organizations throughout the Middle East, such as Hezbollah in Lebanon, the Houthis in Yemen, militant groups in Iraq and the regime of Bashar al-Assad in Syria, whose focus on threatening Israel have promoted instability in their unwitting host countries.

The Islamic Republic’s oft-stated ambition to “export” its 1979 Islamic Revolution has long worried its neighbors, particularly those whose populations include sizable Shia minorities who have long felt aggrieved by the region’s mostly Sunni Muslim leaders.
 

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When they act like civilized human beings and stop blowing up planes, stop strapping explosives to their wives and children to blow up others, stop hiding beneath schools and hospitals, stop raping, stop murdering teenage girls and dragging their bodies through the street in celebration, stop beheading those who disagree with their crazy ass religion, stop throwing gays off buildings, stop invading other countries and attempting to turn them into sharia law controlled shitholes like the one they fled, and stand up for decency and denounce those of their brotherhood who do all those things.

None of us are against Muslims for being Muslim or being brown. We're against a significant portion of them for their behavior and threat to peaceful civilization.

Just negotiate a peaceful settlement and Iran will agree to honor......Hold on a minute..........never mind.
 

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Trump looks pissed about those last volleys on the way out the door. Also sounds that that is not uncommon for people to take a few cheap shots before a ceasefire takes place. I'm not caught up yet this AM but his little "WTF they are doing" and stomping off tells it all. Bibi must have convinced him that the US could throw the knockout punch and be a hero to force peace. Then Trump says "ceasefire mean now MFer" only to have Bibi go full Cartman honey boo-boo "Whatever, I'll do what I want". At least that is my impression this AM after five minutes on the Twitter.
 

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Well then it seems you are being disingenuous or lying. This podcast completely shreds this whole idea that Iran was developing a nuclear bomb as it is being presented and largely backs up what the former military officer in the Fox News op ed I posted had to say.



“they could have enriched up to 90-plus percent all along. They've enriched up to 60% as a bargaining chip to negotiate away. In order to try to get the sanctions lifted and try to get the United States back in the deal, it's the same thing they did in the Obama years.”

“And the only reason Obama even needed to do the deal in 2015 was because essentially the world led by Israel or the West led by Israel were essentially just pretending the NPT didn't exist, pretending that Iran didn't already have a safeguards agreement with the IAEA and the Israelis were threatening an aggressive war then.”

“Uranium bombs are virtually always a gun type nuke, like Fat Man that they dropped on Hiroshima, which is essentially a giant shotgun inside that bomb, firing a highly-enriched, weapons-grade-enriched uranium slug into a target of the same. That causes a super-critical reaction. They didn't even test that bomb.

It's 1940s technology, simple stuff. They didn't test that. The Trinity test was of the Nagasaki bomb, which was a plutonium implosion bomb.

That's the kind of bomb that can be miniaturized and married to a missile. However, the Iranians have no plutonium route to the bomb, because even though they still do have one heavy water reactor at Boucher and it produces plutonium waste, they do not have the facility required to reprocess that waste, get the impurities out to make it possible to use for weapons fuel. Under the JCPOA, which they're still in this part of it with the Russians, is that every two or three years or so, they shut down the reactor and the Russians will come and get all the plutonium waste and take it away.

Their plutonium route to the bomb did not exist at all.”

“Their uranium route to the bomb was delayed for at least one year. Then, as I say, at the end of that year, they would have had enough to make one bomb with, but then no way to deliver it other than slap it on the back of a flatbed truck or something like that.”


I think this is all very plausible but also falls into FAFO territory. "I'm not touching you" game in the backseat is great until dad stops the f-ing car. And if there is one thing the USA likes is being daddy stopping the car and bringing out the belt.
 

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This is the foreign policy stuff that I think nearly everyone had on their wish-list with a Trump presidency. He wouldn't be beholden to the same traps that other presidents fall into with subservience to Israel and excuse their every move. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/trump-announces-israel-iran-ceasefire-2025-06-23/

Pretty fucking crazy that Obama/Joe could only muster up "Listen here Jack, it's a bit concerning what's going on over there!", and Trump is the one who tells them to settle fucking down.

This is why the Dems foreign policy is so fucking stupid. They run out the same tired playbook and get outflanked by Trump.
 

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This is the foreign policy stuff that I think nearly everyone had on their wish-list with a Trump presidency. He wouldn't be beholden to the same traps that other presidents fall into with subservience to Israel and excuse their every move. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/trump-announces-israel-iran-ceasefire-2025-06-23/

Pretty fucking crazy that Obama/Joe could only muster up "Listen here Jack, it's a bit concerning what's going on over there!", and Trump is the one who tells them to settle fucking down.

This is why the Dems foreign policy is so fucking stupid. They run out the same tired playbook and get outflanked by Trump.
If we can truly get a victory moment in doing just the one badass attack, walk out with Iran crippled, no American casualties, a destroyed nuclear program, and the threat to Israel now drastically lower- how is this not a win?

Especially for Trump because he’s on the upside of an 80-20 issue, again while Dems are waffling in stupid takes and Schumer is watching his party get even more hostile to Israel under his watch. I have zero concerns here. Fastest world war ever.

The canucks get to sit back and watch and risk nothing and do nothing with one less nuclear terrorist.
 

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Foreign Policy lectures are going well. I might pitch in to her campaign to keep her going. Can’t imagine why the grown-ups didn’t want to run it by her and Rashida.


The finger waving does such a good job of selling the point.
 

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If we can truly get a victory moment in doing just the one badass attack, walk out with Iran crippled, no American casualties, a destroyed nuclear program, and the threat to Israel now drastically lower- how is this not a win?

Especially for Trump because he’s on the upside of an 80-20 issue, again while Dems are waffling in stupid takes and Schumer is watching his party get even more hostile to Israel under his watch. I have zero concerns here. Fastest world war ever.

The canucks get to sit back and watch and risk nothing and do nothing with one less nuclear terrorist.
Lmao I was giving credit to Trump. Put down the talking points for a second.

I seem to remember Canada coming to help the US in Afghanistan. All good though.

Risk nothing is an interesting concept. I guess the plain clothed intelligence officers who patrol my office everyday are just there for the lulz. I should tell them and all the LEO’s who are stationed around the major finance spots in Toronto that some random guy in rural Midwest says we’re ok and there isn’t any risk.

I can explain it this way, take the most important part of your town, let’s say - the Aldi, and they have a ton of security because it’s now become a very high priority target for terrorism. Would you say there is any risk to you?
 

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If we can truly get a victory moment in doing just the one badass attack, walk out with Iran crippled, no American casualties, a destroyed nuclear program, and the threat to Israel now drastically lower- how is this not a win?

Especially for Trump because he’s on the upside of an 80-20 issue, again while Dems are waffling in stupid takes and Schumer is watching his party get even more hostile to Israel under his watch. I have zero concerns here. Fastest world war ever.

The canucks get to sit back and watch and risk nothing and do nothing with one less nuclear terrorist.

If indeed. We will never know if the US was needed for this outcome, Israel seemed to have them on their heels just fine on their own, IMO. Also a bit early to be spiking the football. Tip of the cap if he can pull it off and deserve another Nobel Peace Prize.
 

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Lmao I was giving credit to Trump. Put down the talking points for a second.

I seem to remember Canada coming to help the US in Afghanistan. All good though.

Risk nothing is an interesting concept. I guess the plain clothed intelligence officers who patrol my office everyday are just there for the lulz. I should tell them and all the LEO’s who are stationed around the major finance spots in Toronto that some random guy in rural Midwest says we’re ok and there isn’t any risk.

I can explain it this way, take the most important part of your town, let’s say - the Aldi, and they have a ton of security because it’s now become a very high priority target for terrorism. Would you say there is any risk to you?

Yeah that was the most complimentary thing you have ever said about Trump - almost hat in hand. I think you are premature but that probably isn't a new development for you.
 

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Yeah that was the most complimentary thing you have ever said about Trump - almost hat in hand. I think you are premature but that probably isn't a new development for you.
I've routinely gave him credit for project warp speed.

I'm surprised the wife let you know about that, hope her eyelashes aren't ruined.
 

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Black person speaking in AAVE (D) - Dumb fucking idiot

Jim Bob (R) (KY) - Real salt of the earth
You’ve got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land, the common clay of the new West. You know……….morons.
 
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