Foreign Policy

[Irish#1]

Because I'm asking for your opinion now, you posted something recently and I asked for more information about why you feel that way now. Do you go back each time when I post or anyone else posts? Surely you're not doing that. No, I just remember and don't call me Shirley.

The United Nations has determined that - https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-rele...s-and-crimes-against-humanity-israeli-attacks

You've stated that the UN is the one to decide, they have decided, so are you willing to say that the Israeli government has indeed committed war crimes? If the UN has decided they have committed a war crime then yes. Have they determined if it was for the complete retaliation against Hamas or select instances?

When have I ever said that Hamas shouldn't be tried for war crimes? I've routinely been anti-Hamas. Your posts don't come across that way, because all you ever talk about is how bad Israel is and the Palestinians are the victims.

That doesn't answer the question - the ANC carried out horrible massacres and atrocities, Nelson Mandela was considered a terrorist - does that mean that the black south africans did not deserve to have the apartheid lifted? Yes or no. Yes or no. That's a "go to" for you, yet when someone ask you yes or no, you never answer with a yes or no. Of course it should have been lifted, but you're asking this question because you're positive that I'm a bigot..

Did you read my point about WWII? It was that the polish resistance fought from the sewers. Palestinians are fighting from the tunnels etc. Were the Poles in the wrong when Nazi Germany was occupying their city? Yes or no. This is a real stretch. The Poles were on the defensive fighting the Germans who were the aggressors/terrorists and started the conflict. Hamas is the terrorist organization that started the conflict with Israel and unlike Germany who didn't hide they decided to hide and use their own people as shields.

Negotiations absolutely work. Who has ever been bombed into peace? If you want to say Japan, then are you willing to Nuke Gaza? Dismiss Japan as an example because they are the obvious answer?. lol How about Germany after WWI? Italy, Romania?? Negotiations may work, but only after someone has had the crap bombed or beaten out of them. Fool yourself if you want to, but Hamas has already refused to negotiate. Even the hostage release wasn't handle as agreed to. So now that I've answered your questions, tell me how you would take care of Hamas and you can't say negotiate. BTW, you'll be proud of me. I just hired a guy that's gay. 🙀

 

[Irish#1]

So they think Trump is a joke. They also thought Biden was. Doesn't change our military might or make us a third world country.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

If he thinks Trump is a joke, I'd hate to think what he thought of Biden. He created 20,000 fake licenses and shipped them here in an effort to hurt Trump and try to interfere with the 2020 election.

Ladies(lady?) and gentleman:

Autism is genetic.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

it's OK to criticize stuff you disagree with

That's literally what is happening....and you have an issue with it.

 

[TorontoGold]

The UN has consistently said Israel is committing war crimes and other human rights abuses - Israel and the United Nations - Wikipedia

What does it matter if it's in retaliation against Hamas? What? That not what a rational state should do. Would you be ok with Israeli doing a reverse Oct 7 into Gaza because it was done to them (I'm ignoring the fact they have done that in the past) but let's say they do that, would it be right?

You said you remember, you must remember my multiple posts saying I want Hamas dead and gone. The Palestinians ARE the victims, they get it from both Hamas and the Israeli government. They have suffered the most, as well as the Israeli citizens who suffer from their insane current leadership. I separate the people from the actions of the political leaders of those groups because it's dehumanizing as fuck to assign responsibility to those who have very little influence on the actions of those at the top.

I always with a yes/no before explaining my response. I asked you because you would obviously say it was important to lift the apartheid conditions and that it would hopefully challenge your position on Palestinians. Nothing to do with your belief that you think I think you're a bigot.

The Israeli government is the aggressor, they are the occupier! Do you think this is the 1700's that Palestinians are going to challenge the IDF to a war in a decided parcel of land?

I dismissed Japan because I think we're evolved as a society enough not to nuke someone, but is that what you think should happen here? Do you think Gaza is not leveled lol, which areas need a few more bombs?

If I wanted to take the approach that I think a rational state actor with modern principles would take? I would do exactly what Israel is doing with Iran, or what Israel did with Hezbollah and the cell phones. Targeted strikes on the main hubs, and use their incredible intel apparatus to target and kill the Hamas leadership. Then once they've been crippled I would remove the constraints placed on the Palestinian citizens giving them a future in which they can see that there is a better option than Hamas. I would then make it official government policy to no longer recognize Hamas as the representative of the people of Gaza, I would work with the PA in the West Bank to install them as the leaders of Gaza. How's that for no negotiations?

Bang up job on hiring a gay guy

 

[Giddyup]

Israel now says they don’t have bunker busters and need more Arrow missile interceptors from us. Maybe don’t start wars/come to the peace table if you can’t afford it?

 

[BuaConstrictor]

BTW, you'll be proud of me. I just hired a guy that's gay. 🙀 -Irish#1

The fact that you think this is notable or something you should get "credit" for kind of says the quiet part out loud for you.

 

[GATTACA!]

Take a day off. You don't have to whine and cry about Trump every single day. We get it: you don't like him, and it's OK to criticize stuff you disagree with, but you just act like a little bitch every single flippin' day... like a teenage girl who got fingered then dumped. Now, I've insulted you and hurt your feelings, so give me your best boring childish retort. I'm sure it'll just be savage!

You’re too stupid to insult me lol.

 

[Bishop2b5]

You’re too stupid to insult me lol.

Just as savage and crushing as I expected. 😄

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Just as savage and crushing as I expected.

Also things you say when your wife's bull leaves.

 

[Irish#1]

The UN has consistently said Israel is committing war crimes and other human rights abuses - Israel and the United Nations - Wikipedia

What does it matter if it's in retaliation against Hamas? What? That not what a rational state should do. Would you be ok with Israeli doing a reverse Oct 7 into Gaza because it was done to them (I'm ignoring the fact they have done that in the past) but let's say they do that, would it be right?

You said you remember, you must remember my multiple posts saying I want Hamas dead and gone. The Palestinians ARE the victims, they get it from both Hamas and the Israeli government. They have suffered the most, as well as the Israeli citizens who suffer from their insane current leadership. I separate the people from the actions of the political leaders of those groups because it's dehumanizing as fuck to assign responsibility to those who have very little influence on the actions of those at the top.

I always with a yes/no before explaining my response. I asked you because you would obviously say it was important to lift the apartheid conditions and that it would hopefully challenge your position on Palestinians. Nothing to do with your belief that you think I think you're a bigot.

The Israeli government is the aggressor, they are the occupier! Do you think this is the 1700's that Palestinians are going to challenge the IDF to a war in a decided parcel of land?

I dismissed Japan because I think we're evolved as a society enough not to nuke someone, but is that what you think should happen here? Do you think Gaza is not leveled lol, which areas need a few more bombs?

If I wanted to take the approach that I think a rational state actor with modern principles would take? I would do exactly what Israel is doing with Iran, or what Israel did with Hezbollah and the cell phones. Targeted strikes on the main hubs, and use their incredible intel apparatus to target and kill the Hamas leadership. Then once they've been crippled I would remove the constraints placed on the Palestinian citizens giving them a future in which they can see that there is a better option than Hamas. I would then make it official government policy to no longer recognize Hamas as the representative of the people of Gaza, I would work with the PA in the West Bank to install them as the leaders of Gaza. How's that for no negotiations?

Bang up job on hiring a gay guy

Hamas commits mass killings and Israel is the aggressor? Sure

You dismissed Japan because we've evolved, yet you use Poland as an example?

There are a few problems with taking a targeted approach like Israel is doing with Iran. 1) Israel pretty much wiped out Hamas government facilities already. 2) Hamas basically spread out and went underground once they struck and 3) Hamas still holds about 50 hostages. Any strike like you recommend is almost impossible without killing the hostages. Having said that, I do appreciate you offering a solution that isn't negotiate.

Whether one approves or disapproves on how Israel retaliated, I have to believe Israel intelligence knows Hamas much better than we do and took the approach they did because they believed it was the most effective.

Glad you approve.

 

[TorontoGold]

Hamas commits mass killings and Israel is the aggressor? Sure

You dismissed Japan because we've evolved, yet you use Poland as an example?

There are a few problems with taking a targeted approach like Israel is doing with Iran. 1) Israel pretty much wiped out Hamas government facilities already. 2) Hamas basically spread out and went underground once they struck and 3) Hamas still holds about 50 hostages. Any strike like you recommend is almost impossible without killing the hostages. Having said that, I do appreciate you offering a solution that isn't negotiate.

Whether one approves or disapproves on how Israel retaliated, I have to believe Israel intelligence knows Hamas much better than we do and took the approach they did because they believed it was the most effective.

Glad you approve.

The Israeli government commits mass killings as well. You've seen the numbers, plenty more Palestinians have been killed than Israeli's. The UN, which we have both agreed to be a good judge of what's wrong and not. Israel is the occupying force, they set the standard of aggression.

I dismissed Japan because nukes were involved, would you want to use nukes on Hamas? Poland is an example because they fought from sewers and apartments.

The approach was not clean at the start and lead to the forced displacement of many, many Gazans. There is no way that any rational person can assume that the Israeli government had better intel on Iran than Hamas. That is my point, the Israeli government knowingly took a messier approach to Hamas than they did to Iran. I've detailed many times that even the Bush admin was more delicate in the war on terror, than the Israeli government has been with Hamas. The Israeli government even killed some of the hostages on Oct 7.

I'm not exactly going to blindly trust a government for their military plans given their history with this exact situation. If the US government was carrying this operation out, would you have trusted Joe Biden to do it? I know you would have questions on it.

 

[GATTACA!]

Inb4 Irish#1 dismisses the Ghorman Massacre too.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Signal Chat just went public

 

[calvegas04]

Does he give them two weeks?

 

[calvegas04]

The world powers are on stand by

 

[NDVirginia19]

The Israeli government commits mass killings as well. You've seen the numbers, plenty more Palestinians have been killed than Israeli's. The UN, which we have both agreed to be a good judge of what's wrong and not. Israel is the occupying force, they set the standard of aggression.

I dismissed Japan because nukes were involved, would you want to use nukes on Hamas? Poland is an example because they fought from sewers and apartments.

The approach was not clean at the start and lead to the forced displacement of many, many Gazans. There is no way that any rational person can assume that the Israeli government had better intel on Iran than Hamas. That is my point, the Israeli government knowingly took a messier approach to Hamas than they did to Iran. I've detailed many times that even the Bush admin was more delicate in the war on terror, than the Israeli government has been with Hamas. The Israeli government even killed some of the hostages on Oct 7.

I'm not exactly going to blindly trust a government for their military plans given their history with this exact situation. If the US government was carrying this operation out, would you have trusted Joe Biden to do it? I know you would have questions on it.

Who believes that the UN is a good judge of what is wrong and what is not? Take a look at who sits on the UN Human Rights council and tell me with a straight face that is a good judge of what is right and what is wrong. In the past decade alone, nearly 70% of all UN resolutions have been signed criticizing Israel. Do you earnestly believe that 70% of all human rights abuses have been committed by Israel?

 

[ulukinatme]

Not condoning using Palestinians to check if buildings are clear, but where was the pearl clutching when Hamas was using hospitals for a command center, or setting up in mosques? Yeah, entire buildings filled with human shields is cool, especially when Hamas injured many of them to begin with. Israel tends to follow the rules of war while Hamas has no regard for any rules nor concern for who they hurt.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Trump leaks major secret that US has stealth technology 😨😨😨

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Does he give them two weeks?

Why? Is he giving them healthcare?

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Who believes that the UN is a good judge of what is wrong and what is not?

Irish#1 at the very least because he's the one who asked for that standard.

Should Israel be charged with crimes? That's for the United Nations to determine.

Take it up with him.

 

[calvegas04]

The UN hasn't done anything since the Korean War

 

[drayer54]

They took off their No Kings shirts and switched to the new thing.

 

[TorontoGold]

Who believes that the UN is a good judge of what is wrong and what is not? Take a look at who sits on the UN Human Rights council and tell me with a straight face that is a good judge of what is right and what is wrong. In the past decade alone, nearly 70% of all UN resolutions have been signed criticizing Israel. Do you earnestly believe that 70% of all human rights abuses have been committed by Israel?

Plenty of other organizations that have classified the Israeli governments actions as being war crimes or apartheid like conditions.

I am using #1’s suggestion of the UN. Which organization would you say is the best at determining the legality of international crimes?

 

[drayer54]

Plenty of other organizations that have classified the Israeli governments actions as being war crimes or apartheid like conditions.

I am using #1’s suggestion of the UN. Which organization would you say is the best at determining the legality of international crimes?

Ive league institutions? The Democratic Party?

The UN is an anti-Semitic gathering post to bash Israel. Has been for over twenty years. Just like J Street.

 

[TorontoGold]

Ive league institutions? The Democratic Party?

The UN is an anti-Semitic gathering post to bash Israel. Has been for over twenty years. Just like J Street.

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LOL being so deep in the sauce you think J Street is antisemitic.

Are these countries antisemitic for upholding the arrest warrants? Ireland, Belgium, Spain, Canada, Australia, Finland, Iceland etc.? Is everyone antisemitic? If you disagree with how Bibi's government operates are you an antisemite?

Please educate me on these grave pitfalls. I can't wait to hear the same guy who thinks Soros is a puppet master controlling the media, and that he's undermining western society is going to lecture me on antisemitism lmao.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Plenty of other organizations that have classified the Israeli governments actions as being war crimes or apartheid like conditions.

I am using #1’s suggestion of the UN. Which organization would you say is the best at determining the legality of international crimes?

 

[Bluto]

Hamas is still there because Israel didn't finish going end to end. Human shields are not good, but Israel using them doesn't absolved Hamas or make it okay. How you would get rid of Hamas without telling us you would through peace negotiations?

Parking a US Carrier fleet near Haifa and telling Netenyahu to cut the shit? Or simply telling Israel they are truly on “their own” by cutting funding, withdrawing us anti missile support and the sale of weapons?

Generally speaking the Palestinians have consistently bargained in good faith as it relates to peace. Israel has not. Israel secretly developed nuclear weapons and has not signed on to the NPT. Iran does not have nuclear weapons and has signed on to the NPT.

What is going on now in the US media is insane levels of gaslighting. Nobody in the US voted to elect this maniac Netanyahu and the religious fanatics in Israel, yet here they are dictating US foreign policy. It’s fucking insane.

 

[Bluto]

Not condoning using Palestinians to check if buildings are clear, but where was the pearl clutching when Hamas was using hospitals for a command center, or setting up in mosques? Yeah, entire buildings filled with human shields is cool, especially when Hamas injured many of them to begin with. Israel tends to follow the rules of war while Hamas has no regard for any rules nor concern for who they hurt.

That’s complete bullshit. If you read actual Israeli media you would understand that.

 

[Giddyup]

Does he give them two weeks?

Dumbest fake news I’ve ever seen. “He’s given the order but not the super duper order”. Libs really want to use their dumb taco/burrito line.