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ColoradoIrish said:
Not at all. I've stated it clearly, my issue is with the Trump administration blatantly disregarding court orders
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Those planes were well on their way when the judge issued a verbal order.

From NBC.

“A single judge in a single city cannot direct the movements” of deportees after they have left the country, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said in a statement Sunday, adding that the judge's order had no "lawful basis" because the people "had already been removed from U.S. territory."

The Justice Department made the same argument in a court filing Monday signed by Attorney General Pam Bondi. In a separate filing, the department asked an appeals court to immediately halt the case and prevent Boasberg from presiding over it.

Boasberg had ordered the administration to immediately turn around any plane that had not yet landed — an instruction that Leavitt also said carries no weight because it was oral, rather than written.
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Irish#1 said:
Those planes were well on their way when the judge issued a verbal order.

From NBC.
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Nothing in that quote supports that statement. And my point still stands, this administration has been setting up for this exact situation. They've been casting doubt about what the courts are allowed and it was only a matter of time before they blatantly went against the ruling. Tom Homan's rhetoric is just as problematic
 
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Irish#1 said:
Those planes were well on their way when the judge issued a verbal order.

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1. It doesn't matter if they were well on their way, on the tarmac, or had just taken off. It's irrelevant.
2.Nothing in your quote supports the "well on their way"
3. What was preventing the planes from landing, turning around, and coming home with the persons in question in order to comply with the judge's order?
 
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ColoradoIrish said:
Nothing in that quote supports that statement. And my point still stands, this administration has been setting up for this exact situation. They've been casting doubt about what the courts are allowed and it was only a matter of time before they blatantly went against the ruling. Tom Homan's rhetoric is just as problematic
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No it doesn't. I just posted to provide more clarity on the Justice departments position.

From an Axios report, it looks like the WH didn't blatantly disregard the ruling, but discussed before deciding to continue on.

After publication, Axios published a report referencing two flights that at about 6:51 p.m “were off the Yucatan Peninsula, according to flight paths posted on X.” “Inside the White House, officials discussed whether to order the planes to turn around. On advice from a team of administration lawyers, the administration pressed ahead,” the Axios report states.
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If anyone thought they would turn around on a verbal order is fooling themselves. There's a reason we document.
 
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No it doesn't. I just posted to provide more clarity on the Justice departments position.

From an Axios report, it looks like the WH didn't blatantly disregard the ruling, but discussed before deciding to continue on.



If anyone thought they would turn around on a verbal order is fooling themselves. There's a reason we document.
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No matter how you frame it they purposely disregarded a court order. Just because they had a discussion about it doesn't some how justify their actions.
 
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Irish#1 said:
No it doesn't. I just posted to provide more clarity on the Justice departments position.

From an Axios report, it looks like the WH didn't blatantly disregard the ruling, but discussed before deciding to continue on.



If anyone thought they would turn around on a verbal order is fooling themselves. There's a reason we document.
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The problem I currently have is in the messaging. On the one hand there was a clear message being sent that we didn't disobey the court order, planes were in the air, it was only a verbal order, etc etc.

At the same time there is a lot of rhetoric being blown about that we don't plan on listening to what this judge says and that he should be impeached.

It would seem that it wouldn't have mattered if the Judge's order was verbal or written.
 
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The problem I currently have is in the messaging. On the one hand there was a clear message being sent that we didn't disobey the court order, planes were in the air, it was only a verbal order, etc etc.

At the same time there is a lot of rhetoric being blown about that we don't plan on listening to what this judge says and that he should be impeached.

It would seem that it wouldn't have mattered if the Judge's order was verbal or written.
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Ding ding ding ding.

On top of that "verbal orders" are enforceable....because they are written down in real time by the court clerk....and then filed. That's the entire point of the clerk.

In any case...

www.newsweek.com

Trump administration argues a judge's verbal order is "not enforceable"

A federal judge hauled the Trump administration into court after it defied his order to hold off on deporting more than 200 Venezuelan migrants.
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com

Trump himself doesn't even believe this and has verbally commuted sentences before.

No competent lawyer actually believes this shit about verbal orders.
 
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NDVirginia19 said:
Was Joe Biden a fascist for defying the Supreme Court with cancelling student debt?
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This was already covered and proven false!

The Biden plan that was blocked by the SCOTUS was not the plan that was implemented(or was going to be). Biden and his admin came up with a new plan that allowed for a reduction in student debt for some borrows and was much narrower in scope so that it (hopefully)complied with the SCOTUS ruling.
 
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ab2cmiller said:
The problem I currently have is in the messaging. On the one hand there was a clear message being sent that we didn't disobey the court order, planes were in the air, it was only a verbal order, etc etc.

At the same time there is a lot of rhetoric being blown about that we don't plan on listening to what this judge says and that he should be impeached.

It would seem that it wouldn't have mattered if the Judge's order was verbal or written.
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The issue with this particular incident is that it was a verbal order and the judge bypassed typical procedure. Hopefully the hearing today should help clear up the gray areas going forward, but I expect this judge to rule against the Justice department, so this is going to go on up the food chain.
 
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Irish#1 said:
The issue with this particular incident is that it was a verbal order and the judge bypassed typical procedure
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1. There is no issue with verbal orders.
2. What "typical procedures" did it bypass? You keep regurgitating this stuff from Trump's DOJ but are doing nothing to explain it.
3. The "improper procedure" bit also directly cuts against Trump's own DOJ and the deportations themselves because SCOTUS rulings regarding right to due process under the law of aliens in the US have existed for decades and.......all these SCOTUS rulings post-date the Alien Enemies Act and it's last usage.
 
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Crazy that the guy who cheers on terrorism and calls for the President to be murdered is upset that we're bypassing procedures to kick out violent drug dealers from our country lmfao
 
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ColoradoIrish said:
It was a consequence of his actions for January 6th and then taking classified documents. He deserved to be investigated for all of that
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This completely ignores the tactics and methods used as well as the coordination from the White House.
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Simple questions for the Chief Justice:

1. Can a federal judge hold a hearing publicly exposing an ongoing secret military, intelligence, and law-enforcement operation?

2. Can a federal judge order the President to immediately stop that ongoing operation and turn around planes?

The Judicial Branch needs to evaluate activist judges doing these orders on the government.
 
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ColoradoIrish said:
That's because I wasn't here for it then.
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First, you most certainly were here for the last several months of Biden's administration and had nothing to say about Biden ignoring standing immigration law. Second, all the others in here who complain about Trump's approach to the border crisis were also dead silent about Biden ignoring US immigration law.
 
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First, you most certainly were here for the last several months of Biden's administration and had nothing to say about Biden ignoring standing immigration law. Second, all the others in here who complain about Trump's approach to the border crisis were also dead silent about Biden ignoring US immigration law.
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I started posting on this side of the sight in July you are correct, and I was mostly silent on this issue. I was however critical of the strain immigrants put on our systems. I might not have had solutions or voiced my concerns as loudly as the rest of you. But I also mostly stuck to topics most important to me.
 
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ColoradoIrish said:
She went/worked at michigan. Deport her too! 😂
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LOL. They give literally everyone legal advice. They are public defender advocates. Breaking news: Judge's daughter works in the legal field.

By Loomer's "logic," Boasberg could never preside over a case related to anything/any case a public defender would be counsel on.
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Let's break the cycle of poverty and criminalization.
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BuaConstrictor said:
LOL. They give literally everyone legal advice. They are public defender advocates. Breaking news: Judge's daughter works in the legal field.

By Loomer's "logic," Boasberg could never preside over a case related to anything/any case a public defender would be counsel on.
www.partnersforjustice.org

Partners for Justice

Let's break the cycle of poverty and criminalization.
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You think that's bad, I heard her Dad is a judge...
 
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