Politics

[GATTACA!]

I would argue their identity is not GOP-Lite, it's just anti-Trump. The problem there is that puts them in hot water on some very easy issues, because being anti-*everything* Donald supports means you are ceding everything, even his good/popular ideas.

If Kamala had run a GWB platform, at least it would be a platform. Biden didn't really have a platform in 2020 other than "things are crazy right now (covid, george floyd, etc), let's calm it down." Kamala just straight up didn't really have one other than "I'm not Donald Trump."

Kamala had tons of policy positions. Many of which would have been popular if she had the ability to articulate a single one of them.

 

[NorthDakota]

Kamala had tons of policy positions. Many of which would have been popular if she had the ability to articulate a single one of them.

Part of having a position is being able to tell folks about it. I think people caught onto that. She either couldn't do it or she was afraid of doing it.

 

[GATTACA!]

Part of having a position is being able to tell folks about it. I think people caught onto that. She either couldn't do it or she was afraid of doing it.

She couldn't do it. There's no need to be afraid to articulate a child tax credit. Did any of us hear her mention it a single time?

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Kamala had tons of policy positions. Many of which would have been popular if she had the ability to articulate a single one of them.

It's also a symptom of a compressed campaign and trying to be everything to everybody as you try and patchwork together coalitions in short order. You end up getting a lot of 30,000ft discussions around policy but don't have the time or space to flesh them out as you would during a typical primary. You're testing ideas in real-time...and Harris isn't the best orator. Perfect storm.

The policy page of her website was packed..but most of the good stuff was covered superficially.

It will be interesting to autopsy this as we get further away from it. It was a convoluted mess that a lot of people carry the blame for.(Including Harris)

 

[BuaConstrictor]

There's no need to be afraid to articulate a child tax credit. Did any of us hear her mention it a single time?

Yes?

Harris wants to give a $6,000 tax credit to parents of newborns. Here's what to know.

Harris also wants to restore the pandemic's expanded Child Tax Credit. That could help millions of families, but cost $1.6 trillion.

www.cbsnews.com

She mentioned it a lot. It was baked into the "Opprotunity Economy" stump speech she gave like 150 times.

She mentioned it in the opening remarks of the debate.

 

[Bishop2b5]

The democrats have no identity. I might not agree with the Republicans and Trump but they at least know who they are and how to appeal to those people. Democrats whole campaign is were not Trump and morning of substance after. It's kind of crazy to watch how that happened after Obama. They've totally lost their way

The political mood always swings far to one side then back the other way every decade or so. Part of that is that when you're in power and the mood is swinging your way, most tend to take it too far and cause a nasty reaction to their too-far positions and actions. We're seeing that in spades right now. The Dems went way too far with the woke nonsense and got clobbered for it in November. Instead of recognizing what went wrong and why, they seem lost and floundering, or convinced that they had the right message, but didn't shout it loudly enough.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

The political mood always swings far to one side then back the other way every decade or so. Part of that is that when you're in power and the mood is swinging your way, most tend to take it too far and cause a nasty reaction to their too-far positions and actions. We're seeing that in spades right now. The Dems went way too far with the woke nonsense and got clobbered for it in November. Instead of recognizing what went wrong and why, they seem lost and floundering, or convinced that they had the right message, but didn't shout it loudly enough.

I don't view this as a woke or political thing. The only party that campaigned on anything more than protecting trans rights were the Republicans. And their stance has been to eradicate transgender ideology which is some made up bull shit by them. They allow zero discussion into the nuances of trans people and have demonized us.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I don't view this as a woke or political thing. The only party that campaigned on anything more than protecting trans rights were the Republicans. And their stance has been to eradicate transgender ideology which is some made up bull shit by them. They allow zero discussion into the nuances of trans people and have demonized us.

You, very understandably, see the issue from a narrow insider's point of view, not the way the majority of the public sees it. I realize that there is a lot to it and no single simple answer, but I can tell you that a LOT of the pushback towards trans people and trans ideology and all the rest that's involved stems from two things: pushing this on pre-pubescent children in the schools and in our culture (which is widely and strongly seen as trying to indoctrinate and encourage kids to claim they're trans) and men in women's sports. Those two things cost you about 99% of the support you might've had from the middle or the right. Without those two blunders, you've got support, or at worst, a shrug of the shoulders and being left alone.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

You, very understandably, see the issue from a narrow insider's point of view, not the way the majority of the public sees it. I realize that there is a lot to it and no single simple answer, but I can tell you that a LOT of the pushback towards trans people and trans ideology and all the rest that's involved stems from two things: pushing this on pre-pubescent children in the schools and in our culture (which is widely and strongly seen as trying to indoctrinate and encourage kids to claim they're trans) and men in women's sports. Those two things cost you about 99% of the support you might've had from the middle or the right. Without those two blunders, you've got support, or at worst, a shrug of the shoulders and being left alone.

I don't disagree, but I stand by point it's because the right doesn't allow any nuanced conversations on the topic. It's been made a very black and white issue. And I promise you I'm not seeing it from a narrow point of view. I agree on most of the points the right makes on these topics just not how it should be handled.

 

[NorthDakota]

I mean...it worked and he got more votes than any candidate in history.

The (obvious) miscalculation with Biden was him entertaining a second term.

I think it worked because of COVID.

I don't buy into the voter fraud angle, but you make it super convenient to vote and there are pandemics/riots/protests going on, it doesn't seem hard to see how that could juice the numbers to get a new guy in there.

And yes, even bothering to try running was insanity. Could've had a primary and given the winner a good opportunity.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

I think it worked because of COVID.

Obviously a part of it.

You also had the sitting president talking about shooting protestors as well.

There was a lot going on.

but you make it super convenient to vote

...and there is literally nothing to do but go vote...or send in your vote.....It's sad, but voters are generally pretty apathetic/lazy......so they will happily play the "didn't have time card."....we all had a ton of time in 2020 to go vote. I'd wager a pretty good amount of money that if election day was a national holiday...you'd see voter turnout rise pretty dramatically.

 

[NorthDakota]

I don't disagree, but I stand by point it's because the right doesn't allow any nuanced conversations on the topic. It's been made a very black and white issue. And I promise you I'm not seeing it from a narrow point of view. I agree on most of the points the right makes on these topics just not how it should be handled.

Republicans don't allow much nuance on it, IMO, largely because Democrats have thus far refused to give any ground on it. Not that Republicans would budge a ton, especially now, but had Democrats offered some wiggle room I think it would have went smoother.

 

[NDVirginia19]

I'd wager a pretty good amount of money that if election day was a national holiday...you'd see voter turnout rise pretty dramatically.

See, you agree with the current administration on something at least

 

[NorthDakota]

See, you agree with the current administration on something at least

If we did it, fine. But then early voting isn't really necessary. I don't care one way or the other.

 

[NDVirginia19]

If we did it, fine. But then early voting isn't really necessary. I don't care one way or the other.

I want paper ballots, voter ID, absentee voting only with a signed note from a doctor, or signed statement from the first O-6 in your command if you’re unable to vote in person for an absentee ballot that must be received by Election Day (I’m sure there might be other valid reasons but the point is it is very very limited) Employers must ensure that at least 2 hours within that jurisdiction’s voting windows are available for the employee to vote if they desire.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

But then early voting isn't really necessary.

Do both. Why limit ways to vote?

 

[BuaConstrictor]

See, you agree with the current administration on something at least

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/election-day-should-be-day-off-us-president-joe-biden-says-2021-06-24/

Seems you agree with Biden and House Dems

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7329

This "idea" from Trump isn't new...and his basis of it is conspiratorial bullshit rather than actually increasing access to voting.

Trump can fuck off and die.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

I want paper ballots, voter ID, absentee voting only with a signed note from a doctor, or signed statement from the first O-6 in your command if you’re unable to vote in person for an absentee ballot that must be received by Election Day

Cool. Make voter ID free and accessible.

We already have paper ballots. Nearly 100% of votes are cast on paper ballots.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Republicans don't allow much nuance on it, IMO, largely because Democrats have thus far refused to give any ground on it. Not that Republicans would budge a ton, especially now, but had Democrats offered some wiggle room I think it would have went smoother.

I keep seeing this said about Democrats and I just don't see it. Most are willing to have conversations about it. There's a video from someone I hate that describes it better that I can that I'll try to find it

 

[BuaConstrictor]

I keep seeing this said about Democrats and I just don't see it.

This. As Twitter isn't real life, most trans people or trans advocates I interact with in actual real life simply want access to healthcare and to be able to live their life without discrimination. Of course there are loud morons with bullhorns advocating for things beyond what the average community member wants but simply because Libs of Tik Tok chooses to amplify that message, that doesn't make it the standard.

Meanwhile the MAGA right has nearly 700 pieces of legislation across the country attempting to ban transgenderism in some form or fashion. You have state government rolling back trans civil rights, states moving to prevent elective healthcare for adults, MAGA influences calling for the eradication of transgenderism, and even here....the best Colorado can get in a conversation with anyone is them telling her that she has a mental illness or disorder while giving no ground on civil liberties or protections or even agreeing about having basic access to healthcare.

Great jumping off point here for Colorado.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

This. As Twitter isn't real life, most trans people or trans advocates I interact with in actual real life simply want access to healthcare and to be able to live their life without discrimination. Of course there are loud morons with bullhorns advocating for things beyond what the average community member wants but simply because Libs of Tik Tok chooses to amplify that message, that doesn't make it the standard.

Meanwhile the MAGA right has nearly 700 pieces of legislation across the country attempting to ban transgenderism in some form or fashion. You have state government rolling back trans civil rights, states moving to prevent elective healthcare for adults, MAGA influences calling for the eradication of transgenderism, and even here....the best Colorado can get in a conversation with anyone is them telling her that she has a mental illness or disorder while giving no ground on civil liberties or protections or even agreeing about having basic access to healthcare.

Great jumping off point here for Colorado.

The only thing I can of is that the right wants to Democrats to agree to blanket bans of healthcare access for kids and sports. It's agree to those talking points first before the conversation can move forward.

 

[Irish#1]

I would argue their identity is not GOP-Lite, it's just anti-Trump. The problem there is that puts them in hot water on some very easy issues, because being anti-*everything* Donald supports means you are ceding everything, even his good/popular ideas.

If Kamala had run a GWB platform, at least it would be a platform. Biden didn't really have a platform in 2020 other than "things are crazy right now (covid, george floyd, etc), let's calm it down." Kamala just straight up didn't really have one other than "I'm not Donald Trump."

I agree, it's not GOP-lite. Dems are focused on socialism

JMO, but the only reason Biden beat Trump was that America wasn't excited about how Trump wasn't presidential enough. They wanted to break from the same old politics but not quite in the way Trump was doing it. Once Biden was in office people thought the WH would return to what is perceived as normal. The last two years people saw the Dems were getting crazier with their social agenda and not focusing on the economy, jobs, illegal immigration, etc. If the Repubs would have ran anyone else, I think they would have also beat Biden.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Democrats really scored an own goal by making such a big deal about egg prices in the first three weeks of the admin lmao

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Dems are focused on socialism

1. Define this
2. That would come as a shock to pretty much everyone in the "socialist" wing of the party who think people like Biden and Harris are too centrist.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Democrats really scored an own goal by making such a big deal about egg prices in the first three weeks of the admin lmao

Egg Prices Have Dropped Sharply—But There’s More To The Story

gg prices have plunged from record highs, but will grocery stores lower prices? Here’s what CPI, WASDE, and USDA reports reveal about the future of egg prices.

www.forbes.com

 

[NDVirginia19]

Egg Prices Have Dropped Sharply—But There’s More To The Story

gg prices have plunged from record highs, but will grocery stores lower prices? Here’s what CPI, WASDE, and USDA reports reveal about the future of egg prices.

www.forbes.com

The more to the story is "yes, egg prices have dropped and here's some information about why and what to expect" Really informative read, doesn't change the point

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Really informative read, doesn't change the point

Yes it does.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Yes it does.

Please explain how?

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Please explain how?

Did you not read it? It's not my job to distill down long articles into a few words so that you can understand them.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Please explain how?

Not so fast. First you must answer these 5 questions to my satisfaction.