'24 MI QB CJ Carr (Notre Dame Signee)

[stlnd01]

Yeah you just can't get sacked that often.
I think we may be somewhat spoiled by how incredibly good Leonard was at avoiding sacks (and, when he really couldn't, turning an eight yard loss into a two yard loss). You could almost forget that sacks are even a thing. Hartman, too, for that matter, was very experienced and mobile enough and good at getting the ball away when pressure came.
If Angeli can't get through that stuff it's hard to see him winning all the games, no matter how good our OL might be.

 

[NDPhilly]

Yeah, lack of negative plays / turnovers made the offense work. OL wasn’t anything special due to injuries. Riley’s deserves more credit than he gets IMO.

 

[jprue24]

Just to circle back to this - Angeli was sacked 5 times on 43 dropbacks last year, and sacked 31% of the time when he was pressured. That would have been the third worst percentage out of any P4 QB last year.

This isn't a one time issue; it's plagued Angeli throughout his playing time at ND.

....then, I think you say that instead of pointing at the psu game. imo, that game isn't evidence against Angeli starting. Anyway, if the hoopla is true, I hope Carr is ready to start and Angeli stays to be the backup for one more year.

 

[Katzenboyer]

....then, I think you say that instead of pointing at the psu game. imo, that game isn't evidence against Angeli starting. Anyway, if the hoopla is true, I hope Carr is ready to start and Angeli stays to be the backup for one more year.

He took two sacks in seven dropbacks in the PSU game, my man. You’re free to blame other factors, but it’s a continuation of the trend.

 

[GowerND11]

He took two sacks in seven dropbacks in the PSU game, my man. You’re free to blame other factors, but it’s a continuation of the trend.

I mean, one was a blindside where the LT was straight BEAT. The other was a bad snap that took him 3 feet over to the oncoming DE.

Yes, it is a trend, but I do think you have to look at the picture as a whole:

2 minute drill, obviously PSU are going to pin their ears back.
Great pass rush, and a bad snap
Some of his snaps were with backups in on the OL too.

This doesn't discredit what you are saying, but rather fills in the entire scene we are looking at.

 

[Dale]

blindside where the LT was straight BEAT

Lineman are going to get beat. Having some awareness and ball security are still expected.

I don’t think anyone (like myself) that finds issues with Angeli’s pocket awareness expect him to be Riley Leonard, but there is a decent sample size to say he struggles with it. And I don’t think that changes

 

[GowerND11]

Lineman are going to get beat. Having some awareness and ball security are still expected.

I don’t think anyone (like myself) that finds issues with Angeli’s pocket awareness expect him to be Riley Leonard, but there is a decent sample size to say he struggles with it. And I don’t think that changes

I don't think Riley Leonard would have escaped that strip sack if we are being fair. It is his blindside, and is right from the jump. C'mon now.

 

[Dale]

I don't think Riley Leonard would have escaped that strip sack if we are being fair. It is his blindside, and is right from the jump. C'mon now.

Knapp was beat cleanly off the line many times.

I’ve had this exact debate before so not gonna completely rehash. Leonard is historically good at avoiding sacks. Angeli is at minimum below average at it.

 

[greyhammer90]

Angeli doesn't have a pocket awareness issue if you simply ignore every time he's been sacked.

 

[GowerND11]

Knapp was beat cleanly off the line many times.

I’ve had this exact debate before so not gonna completely rehash. Leonard is historically good at avoiding sacks. Angeli is at minimum below average at it.

Of course he was historically good. Of course Angeli hasn't been great. But Knapp being beat that bad while the first read is to the right is a death sentence for any QB. All of this can be true in the evaluation.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

I would 100% agree Steve’s pocket awareness needs work but I’d also add that his sample size is still very small. Working on pocket awareness in practice is one thing but having it during the game is another. Only in-game experience will enable him to improve upon the decision making on getting rid of the ball. Could it be a continuing problem? It could be but without a larger sample size it‘s tough to say. We have no idea what CJ Carr’s pocket awareness will be at this point (it may be great, we’ll have to rely on the coaches to determine who will be the better candidate).

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

I think everyone will miss RL more than they realize.

 

[Irish4life]

I think everyone will miss RL more than they realize.

I think our passing offense will be significantly more productive and our run game will be worse

 

[T-Boone]

There definitely hasn’t been a 3 horse race at Qb like this one in the last 10 years. Intriguing.

 

[Riddickulous]

I think everyone will miss RL more than they realize.

I would've loved to see what they could've done with him if he had one more year.

 

[GoIrish41]

I would've loved to see what they could've done with him if he had one more year.

Likely would have been more of the same — lackluster passing game and a dependence on he and/or the rbs popping occasional big plays. And when they fail, relying on the defense to get the ball back for another go at it.

 

[Hautian Domer]

This is pretty harsh on angeli. That last sack was a bad snap and abdul carter was on him immediately

This. The two sacks/fumble were the result of awful, awful blocking. Angeli came in with 1:30 or so left and played with poise and confidence while he drove the team down the field. Not a lot of guys can come into that situation off the bench and do that.

Given the way the offense was going in the 1st half and then Angeli's drive, I felt confident going into the second half with Angeli at QB (I thought RL was concussed and knocked out the game at that time).

 

[Hautian Domer]

He took two sacks in seven dropbacks in the PSU game, my man. You’re free to blame other factors, but it’s a continuation of the trend.

I mean, they had a great defensive line. The Carter sack....I mean, Mahomes is getting sacked there.

 

[Terry Jillery]

I think everyone will miss RL more than they realize.

Facts. Every year we seem to think we have the next superstar quarterback and every year he isn’t.
Good quarterbacks are rare and there’s a reason the two teams in the national championship needed a transfer. That said, we are due. Hopefully Carr or Minchey can finally be that. But I really have no seriously high expectations.

 

[Irish4life]

Facts. Every year we seem to think we have the next superstar quarterback and every year he isn’t.
Good quarterbacks are rare and there’s a reason the two teams in the national championship needed a transfer. That said, we are due. Hopefully Carr or Minchey can finally be that. But I really have no seriously high expectations.

Well, RL was that superstar QB

 

[T-Boone]

Likely would have been more of the same — lackluster passing game and a dependence on he and/or the rbs popping occasional big plays. And when they fail, relying on the defense to get the ball back for another go at it.

That’s a rough way of downplaying QBing ND to its best season in “forever” and 2 best wins in 30 years.

 

[Irish#1]

Now that I know what everyone thinks about Angeli, what's everyone think about CJ Carr or should I go to the Angeli thread to find out?

 

[GoIrish41]

That’s a rough way of downplaying QBing ND to its best season in “forever” and 2 best wins in 30 years.

What did I get wrong? We averaged less than 200 yards passing per game and led the nation in explosive runs, and had one of the best defenses in the country. That just what the numbers tell us.

If the aim is to become a balanced offense that strikes fear in the heart of opponents we need a better passer who processes faster and puts the ball where it needs to be on time. Leonard wasn’t going to become Dan Marino with another year in the system.

I’m a huge fan of Leonard and I know that this team misses the playoffs without him this year. But the way forward is with a much improved passing attack that threatens defenses vertically and softens up defenses for the home run hitters in the backfield.

 

[SWirishfan]

What did I get wrong? We averaged less than 200 yards passing per game and led the nation in explosive runs, and had one of the best defenses in the country. That just what the numbers tell us.

If the aim is to become a balanced offense that strikes fear in the heart of opponents we need a better passer who processes faster and puts the ball where it needs to be on time. Leonard wasn’t going to become Dan Marino with another year in the system.

I’m a huge fan of Leonard and I know that this team misses the playoffs without him this year. But the way forward is with a much improved passing attack that threatens defenses vertically and softens up defenses for the home run hitters in the backfield.

That seems to be a narrow vision of "putting the ball where it needs to be on time." This is a very limited view of QB as one who just distributes the ball to receivers. The QB runs the offense, in Riley's case, more literally than most.

He had 14 rushing TD, which indicates that the ball was in the right place and the right time in all of those instances.

I can't find the rushes that went for 1st downs (I'm lazy and probably didn't look hard enough), but we know some of the big ones, like the flying first down in the UGA playoff game to seal the win. Again, the ball was in the right place, and his decision to scramble (his strength) vs try to find an open receiver (not his strength) got the first down. The ball was in the right place.

In the end - cometh the hour, cometh the man. He performed above expectations, as a whole QB and led this team to the National Championship Game. I find it difficult to understand the complaints.

 

[GoIrish41]

That seems to be a narrow vision of "putting the ball where it needs to be on time." This is a very limited view of QB as one who just distributes the ball to receivers. The QB runs the offense, in Riley's case, more literally than most.

He had 14 rushing TD, which indicates that the ball was in the right place and the right time in all of those instances.

I can't find the rushes that went for 1st downs (I'm lazy and probably didn't look hard enough), but we know some of the big ones, like the flying first down in the UGA playoff game to seal the win. Again, the ball was in the right place, and his decision to scramble (his strength) vs try to find an open receiver (not his strength) got the first down. The ball was in the right place.

In the end - cometh the hour, cometh the man. He performed above expectations, as a whole QB and led this team to the National Championship Game. I find it difficult to understand the complaints.

Nobody is complaining. As I said, I’m a big fan of Leonard and what he accomplished. He was a great, clutch runner who put pressure on defenses with his legs. But he was usually pretty mediocre as a passer. Defenses this year could load the box on ND without the fear of paying a price for it down the field. A more balanced, less predictable offense will make the team better — full stop.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Defenses this year could load the box on ND without the fear of paying a price for it down the field.

Checks notes: Yep, broken record

 

[NumbersGuy0520]

Horka expects Carr to start the season as QB3. Absolutely catastrophic.

 

[notredomer23]

Horka wants to be a national guy so bad and posts whatever take will get the most engagement

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

That's how they trick all three quarterbacks into staying.

 

[Dale]

Impressive post by him. He usually engagement farms without at least admitting it. Personal growth moment