Russia Invades Ukraine

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NorthDakota said:
So to be clear, your position is so long as they US government is a party to a transaction it is clean? I'm not trying to be coy or anything, I'm just trying to understand your position on money transfers.
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The onus on the government is to provide the funds for the agreed upon transaction/event. There are compliance audits routinely done on the compliance with government approvals for fund issuance. These would assess whether the procedures are being followed. If those are clean audit opinions then I would say the government is not partaking in any money laundering activities UNLESS I see direct documentation of impropriety. Legally I'm not sure where the responsibility ends, but for audit purposes we would likely verify that the services or consideration were matched with the funds issued and that proper approvals were there. If there is the ability to prove that the government knowingly partook in some scheme then yeah they're for sure dirty.

But, the standard for corruption is a lot lower than fraud/money laundering. I think it's pretty likely the USAID/Any other government entity is corrupt.

It seems a lot of people throwing around the word fraud/money laundering don't understand that their grievances lay with the officials who created these budgets and not that some random program in Ghana is funneling money back to some dipshit in Montana or whatever.
 
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TorontoGold said:
The onus on the government is to provide the funds for the agreed upon transaction/event. There are compliance audits routinely done on the compliance with government approvals for fund issuance. These would assess whether the procedures are being followed. If those are clean audit opinions then I would say the government is not partaking in any money laundering activities UNLESS I see direct documentation of impropriety. Legally I'm not sure where the responsibility ends, but for audit purposes we would likely verify that the services or consideration were matched with the funds issued and that proper approvals were there. If there is the ability to prove that the government knowingly partook in some scheme then yeah they're for sure dirty.

But, the standard for corruption is a lot lower than fraud/money laundering. I think it's pretty likely the USAID/Any other government entity is corrupt.

It seems a lot of people throwing around the word fraud/money laundering don't understand that their grievances lay with the officials who created these budgets and not that some random program in Ghana is funneling money back to some dipshit in Montana or whatever.
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Ok, i think I understand. You are objecting to the use of the term, not alleging that the practice is good.

People are using the term "laundered" in a manner that doesn't meet the definition.
 
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Z midget is a threat to democracy. We held a damn election during the civil war
 
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Shocker trump wrong again and just using talking points straight from the Kremlin

 
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Lol. Well then he should be itching for that election. Proof is in the pudding though
 
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NorthDakota said:
Ok, i think I understand. You are objecting to the use of the term, not alleging that the practice is good.

People are using the term "laundered" in a manner that doesn't meet the definition.
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Correct. He couldn't get past the term audit and how they weren't going by the book. When is reality they were reviewing the data at a high level to find the anomalies before they get into a real audit.
 
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Giddyup said:
No election then huh. Actions are very more powerful than words
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Putin wants an election, because he'll work to get his own candidate elected. When that happens all the money the U.S. has poured into Ukraine will have been pissed away for nothing.

Really curious as to what kind of a settlement will be proposed.
 
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The whole no elections thing @Giddyup continues to mention ad nauseum is a bunch of bullshit, and either he knows it, or is willfully ignorant. The Ukrainian Constitution prohibits elections while under martial law... Which is kind of needed when your bully neighbor, you know, INVADES you. But keep stomping the ground shouting, "BuT eLeCtIoNs!!!"
 
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Irish#1 said:
Putin wants an election, because he'll work to get his own candidate elected. When that happens all the money the U.S. has poured into Ukraine will have been pissed away for nothing.

Really curious as to what kind of a settlement will be proposed.
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Ukraine, while having the right to exist as people and right as a country to defend itself… was a shitty country before and will be after this war. The US is pissing away money either way. This should have long been over.
 
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@calvegas04 What do you disagree with? You think Ukraine is an awesome country? You don’t think they have the right to defend themselves? You think this should be dragged out as long as possible and we should keep pumping money into this shitty turf war?
 
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@calvegas04 What do you disagree with? You think Ukraine is an awesome country? You don’t think they have the right to defend themselves? You think this should be dragged out as long as possible and we should keep pumping money into this shitty turf war?
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I think it is dumb calling them a shitty country, have you been there? Do you know people from there? Feel like they are a victim of being next to shitty countries.

Obviously they have a right to defend themselves and they should be at the negotiations when it comes to peace. It's obvious the new administration preferences russia over Ukraine.

If Ukraine still wants to fight for their freedom when we should support them. Russia is no friend of the American people.
 
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calvegas04 said:
I think it is dumb calling them a shitty country, have you been there? Do you know people from there? Feel like they are a victim of being next to shitty countries.

Obviously they have a right to defend themselves and they should be at the negotiations when it comes to peace. It's obvious the new administration preferences russia over Ukraine.

If Ukraine still wants to fight for their freedom when we should support them. Russia is no friend of the American people.
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I agree with everything except for the bolded. Ukraine is virtually out of soldiers. Continuing to support them militarily is simply pouring money down the drain at this point. There is no scenario in which they can win unless we directly start fighting on their behalf. I don't think anyone wants that, but some on this board may disagree.
 
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calvegas04 said:
I think it is dumb calling them a shitty country, have you been there? Do you know people from there? Feel like they are a victim of being next to shitty countries.

Obviously they have a right to defend themselves and they should be at the negotiations when it comes to peace. It's obvious the new administration preferences russia over Ukraine.

If Ukraine still wants to fight for their freedom when we should support them. Russia is no friend of the American people.
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Not dumb at all. If it’s a shitty country it’s a shitty country. Ukrainians that I know that have come here would admit that it’s home… but it’s a shitty country. The reason they are not part of NATO is because they are a shitty corrupt country and that hasn’t stopped just because they are the enemy of our enemy. No I haven’t been there but I don’t have to go to Juarez MX (which I have been) to know it’s shitty place.

If Ukraine wants to keeping fighting we should support them? Fuck that. That’s hilarious.
 
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