Trump Presidency Round 2

[Bluto]

Are there any leftists being silenced or removed from twitter since Musk took over? Answer is no.

The batshit lefties who were mad about conservatives having the same access to free speech left for bluesky, and no one cares.

That’s not true.

Elon Musk is absolutely not a ‘free speech absolutist’

Musk has previously said X has “no choice” but to comply with these requests.

www.theverge.com

“In January 2023 — a little over two months after Musk’s takeover — the platform then known as Twitter blocked a BBC documentary critical of India’s prime minister, Narendra Modi.

It suppressed Indian users’ access to more than 100 accounts belonging to prominent activists, journalists, and politicians,”

Elon Musk’s Twitter Widens Its Censorship of Modi’s Critics in India

Two months ago, Musk said he had been too busy to look into his company’s role in mass censorship in India. It’s only gotten worse.

theintercept.com

“While Modi’s suppression has focused on Punjab, Twitter’s collaboration has been nationwide, restricting public debate about the government’s aggressive move. Critics say that the company is failing the most basic test of allowing the platform to operate freely under conditions of government pressure.”

 

[TorontoGold]

Are there any leftists being silenced or removed from twitter since Musk took over? Answer is no.

The batshit lefties who were mad about conservatives having the same access to free speech left for bluesky, and no one cares.

lol because leftists have always been suppressed on Twitter. Just that we aren’t surprised tech billionaires want to do that. I can’t believe grown adults think that a tech company is going to suppress conservative views (still not sure which conservative views were surprised? The low tax kind?) for…..leftist ideals?

Under Elon Musk, Twitter has approved 83% of censorship requests by authoritarian governments

The social network has restricted and withdrawn content critical of the ruling parties in Turkey and India, among other countries, including during electoral campaigns

english.elpais.com

 

[ab2cmiller]

A bit problematic

 

[Giddyup]

Get the rats chasing the cheese

 

[Bluto]

So, apparently the peace negotiations related to Gaza won’t involve Hamas and the peace negotiations related to the war in Ukraine won’t involve the Ukrainians or European allies?

Makes total sense.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

That’s not true.

Elon Musk is absolutely not a ‘free speech absolutist’

Musk has previously said X has “no choice” but to comply with these requests.

www.theverge.com

“In January 2023 — a little over two months after Musk’s takeover — the platform then known as Twitter blocked a BBC documentary critical of India’s prime minister, Narendra Modi.

It suppressed Indian users’ access to more than 100 accounts belonging to prominent activists, journalists, and politicians,”

Elon Musk’s Twitter Widens Its Censorship of Modi’s Critics in India

Two months ago, Musk said he had been too busy to look into his company’s role in mass censorship in India. It’s only gotten worse.

theintercept.com

“While Modi’s suppression has focused on Punjab, Twitter’s collaboration has been nationwide, restricting public debate about the government’s aggressive move. Critics say that the company is failing the most basic test of allowing the platform to operate freely under conditions of government pressure.”

BBC has their own platform to publish their content and don't need twitter. This isn't comparable to individuals being removed from twitter because of political opposition.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

lol because leftists have always been suppressed on Twitter. Just that we aren’t surprised tech billionaires want to do that. I can’t believe grown adults think that a tech company is going to suppress conservative views (still not sure which conservative views were surprised? The low tax kind?) for…..leftist ideals?

Under Elon Musk, Twitter has approved 83% of censorship requests by authoritarian governments

The social network has restricted and withdrawn content critical of the ruling parties in Turkey and India, among other countries, including during electoral campaigns

english.elpais.com

You should try reading articles you link first. This article points to India and Turkey specifically, and also points out that those two countries have passed laws limiting freedom of speech and press.

1) This has no impact on Americans

2) Musk/ twitter can't control other countries' laws. That's on them.

3) I'm no lawyer (my wife is) but my guess is that if a citizen of one of those two countries spent a few months in the US, went on twitter and posted critical comments of their government while in the US, they would be free to do so and wouldn't be restricted/ banned.

 

[Blazers46]

So, apparently the peace negotiations related to Gaza won’t involve Hamas and the peace negotiations related to the war in Ukraine won’t involve the Ukrainians or European allies?

Makes total sense.

Hamas? You kill terrorists not negotiate with them.

This war has lasted how long? Do the European allies need an invite? They have been just as complicit as the Biden admin for this thing dragging out so long. And let’s not forget Ukraine was a shitty country before the war and it will be a shitty country after the war no matter how much money is pumped through it. Russia just happens to be the aggressor and bully so like every other world problem the US has to clean it up tell the bully to stop.

 

[TorontoGold]

You should try reading articles you link first. This article points to India and Turkey specifically, and also points out that those two countries have passed laws limiting freedom of speech and press.

1) This has no impact on Americans

2) Musk/ twitter can't control other countries' laws. That's on them.

3) I'm no lawyer (my wife is) but my guess is that if a citizen of one of those two countries spent a few months in the US, went on twitter and posted critical comments of their government while in the US, they would be free to do so and wouldn't be restricted/ banned.

Do you understand how a multinational entity operates? Yes or no.

Ok, since you believe things that happen outside the US don't matter:

Do you think Twitter should be less transparent? Seems like you'd want them to more open about moderation.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/elon-musks-x-wins-appeal-block-part-california-content-moderation-law-2024-09-04/

 

[NDVirginia19]

Sorry Toronto

 

[TorontoGold]

Sorry Toronto

American development program is incredible, took a similar model to soccer in Europe and now we’re seeing the fruits of that being borne out. Love my boy AM, actually kind of know him a bit through friends and he’s a really good guy. Happy for him.

Canada’s approach is so fucking stupid to development. Top junior league in the world and we banned foreign goalies for four years because…..reasons! Oh, and we’re constantly focused on fit and not just running out the most talented players. Also one last point, our hockey federation is just a nepotistic corrupt dog shit old boys club who have lost touch.

Thanks for triggering me lol

 

[Irish#1]

Id imagine the steel and aluminum tariffs are going to hammer the craft beer industry in the US.

Read an article a few weeks ago, that the craft beer industry is struggling and there has been a large number of brewery closings. If the cost goes up, it might create more.

 

[Irish#1]

So, apparently the peace negotiations related to Gaza won’t involve Hamas and the peace negotiations related to the war in Ukraine won’t involve the Ukrainians or European allies?

Makes total sense.

Apparently Ukraine won’t be involved by choice. Zelenskyy is upset that Trump called Putin first.

Hamas the murderous terrorists organization doesn’t need to be part of any discussions.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Apparently Ukraine won’t be involved by choice. Zelenskyy is upset that Trump called Putin first.

It seems like this is the best political path for Zelensky. A negotiated deal he likely could’ve had long ago. He can scream that he was against the deal blah blah blah.

 

[calvegas04]

Apparently Ukraine won’t be involved by choice. Zelenskyy is upset that Trump called Putin first.

Hamas the murderous terrorists organization doesn’t need to be part of any discussions.

Not sure how there could be a peace deal if Ukraine doesn't agree to it? Russia and the US teaming up isn't in the best interests of anyone

 

[IrishLax]

 

[Blazers46]

Not sure how there could be a peace deal if Ukraine doesn't agree to it? Russia and the US teaming up isn't in the best interests of anyone

What’s Ukraine going to do? Attack Russia? Ask for money?

 

[NDVirginia19]

Read an article a few weeks ago, that the craft beer industry is struggling and there has been a large number of brewery closings. If the cost goes up, it might create more.

There's just way too many breweries in some markets. Especially as younger people are drinking less and less.

 

[Sea Turtle]

So, apparently the peace negotiations related to Gaza won’t involve Hamas and the peace negotiations related to the war in Ukraine won’t involve the Ukrainians or European allies?

Makes total sense.

The latter I agree is an issue.

The former, no, the Nazis were not going to be a part of rebuilding and ruling East or West Germany.

 

[drayer54]

I still think that Ukraine should determine when and how they reach a peace deal. I don't see them with a path to victory that doesn't involve allies fighting on their behalf. If the allies don't want to fund another year or more of slow and constant bloodshed, that would influence Ukraine's position. We can't just keep sending them expensive supplies and money forever as Russia slowly pushes into Ukraine.

 

[calvegas04]

I still think that Ukraine should determine when and how they reach a peace deal. I don't see them with a path to victory that doesn't involve allies fighting on their behalf. If the allies don't want to fund another year or more of slow and constant bloodshed, that would influence Ukraine's position. We can't just keep sending them expensive supplies and money forever as Russia slowly pushes into Ukraine.

It's not allies fighting on their behalf. It's allies that have supplied them with too little support. If they were provided with the munitions and armored vehicles during the early stages of the war they would have been in much much better shape now.

 

[Blazers46]

I still think that Ukraine should determine when and how they reach a peace deal. I don't see them with a path to victory that doesn't involve allies fighting on their behalf. If the allies don't want to fund another year or more of slow and constant bloodshed, that would influence Ukraine's position. We can't just keep sending them expensive supplies and money forever as Russia slowly pushes into Ukraine.

Neither really has a path to victory. Everyone loses. Russia being the agressor and probably winning in regard to a territorial metric but economies, military assets and lives lost will leave both countries tattered. Russia should be the most embarrassed. Ukraine can hang their hat on just not being obliterated and take their moral victories and whatever land they have left. Pyrrhic victory if anything for Russia. Nations just keep pumping money into the ground. Ukraine should be thankful for the aid they did receive and it would seem a bit sanctimonious for them to make demands and want things done their way. Sure they need a seat at the table but probably more of a listener and agree to things than to make demands.

 

[drayer54]

It's not allies fighting on their behalf. It's allies that have supplied them with too little support. If they were provided with the munitions and armored vehicles during the early stages of the war they would have been in much much better shape now.

I 100% agree. They weren't given what they needed and everyone questioned how well the money was used.

Neither really has a path to victory. Everyone loses. Russia being the agressor and probably winning in regard to a territorial metric but economies, military assets and lives lost will leave both countries tattered. Russia should be the most embarrassed. Ukraine can hang their hat on just not being obliterated and take their moral victories and whatever land they have left. Pyrrhic victory if anything for Russia. Nations just keep pumping money into the ground. Ukraine should be thankful for the aid they did receive and it would seem a bit sanctimonious for them to make demands and want things done their way. Sure they need a seat at the table but probably more of a listener and agree to things than to make demands.

Agree. As much I would love to see Ukraine resume pre-Obama borders, it just isn't going to happen unless something drastic changes.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Do you understand how a multinational entity operates? Yes or no.

Ok, since you believe things that happen outside the US don't matter:

Do you think Twitter should be less transparent? Seems like you'd want them to more open about moderation.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/elon-musks-x-wins-appeal-block-part-california-content-moderation-law-2024-09-04/

Did you comprehend anything I wrote? Yes or no

And instead of attempting to counter my points, you went somewhere else. Totally on brand for Toronto.

 

[TorontoGold]

Did you comprehend anything I wrote? Yes or no

And instead of attempting to counter my points, you went somewhere else. Totally on brand for Toronto.

Lol I did read, it's the same sob story about how "conservatives were silenced" but literally no conservatives were silenced for being conservative. Still waiting to see all those people that got banned for arguing for lower taxes, smaller government, and free markets.

Counter your points? I showed you that Elon's twitter is working closer with authoritarian governments, you pissed your pants because it wasn't the US because you can't comprehend there's a world that exists outside of the midwest. Oh, but then I posted how Elon doesn't want to publish content moderation info but that doesn't matter because we're all supposed to be super duper upset that some people got banned 4 years ago and the guy who owns Twitter now is sitting in the WH daily. Idk I guess the same people who had a stroke that Jen Psaki got a job at MSNBC are just suffering from dementia when the owner of twitter is bf's with the president.

My god, when does the crying stop? You guys own twitter now! You won! lol

 

[Irish#1]

Not sure how there could be a peace deal if Ukraine doesn't agree to it? Russia and the US teaming up isn't in the best interests of anyone

Seems a little childish to not participate because Trump called Putin first. They’ll come to an agreement and Trump will tell Zelenskyy what it is. Zelenskyy can accept or reject it. I imagine Trump will tell him if he rejects it, he can look elsewhere for more aid. If he accepts it, we’ll probably guarantee some level of aid.

 

[calvegas04]

Seems a little childish to not participate because Trump called Putin first. They’ll come to an agreement and Trump will tell Zelenskyy what it is. Zelenskyy can accept or reject it. I imagine Trump will tell him if he rejects it, he can look elsewhere for more aid. If he accepts it, we’ll probably guarantee some level of aid.

If he rejects it, it would be because it's not in Ukraine's best interests. Remember the Budapest Memorandum didn't work out great for them.

 

[Blazers46]

If he rejects it, it would be because it's not in Ukraine's best interests. Remember the Budapest Memorandum didn't work out great for them.

At the end of the day… it’s Ukraine. Ukraine needs to understand that as well. They don’t bring a lot to the table.

 

[dublinirish]

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[TorontoGold]

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Wow! I'm shocked that El Salvador, UAE, and Hungary are so poor! I've heard such great things about them and their support for freedom!