Trump Presidency Round 2

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Not too early to have an option.
There’s a reason he’s doing it. It’s not just to slap on tariffs or restrict free trade.

Edit: I posted this before I read Virginia’s post. That explains a lot. The money we spend in foreign aid is astronomical. We could cut that by 25-30% and put that back into domestic affairs.
 
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Some just support limiting free trade.
Yeah sucks, your Texas Instrument calculators now cost more, yikes. Tariffs are nothing new and if I remember right it was one of (if not) the first acts of our first president GW.
 

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Yeah sucks, your Texas Instrument calculators now cost more, yikes. Tariffs are nothing new and if I remember right it was one of (if not) the first acts of our first president GW.
Aren't the current trade agreements set up by Trump tho?
 

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Aren't the current trade agreements set up by Trump tho?
Nah, George Washington tariffs still in effect…

Yeah and… Biden (in theory) even set up “trade agreements.” It seems to be the norm. Trump is just a bit more aggressive with it.
 
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Also fuck Canada. I’d rather Canadians just kneel.

 
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Yeah sucks, your Texas Instrument calculators now cost more, yikes. Tariffs are nothing new and if I remember right it was one of (if not) the first acts of our first president GW.
lol you truly don’t understand this at all. Yes, I remember studying that exact situation - and it was a fucking abomination. So, congrats! Donald is going down that same path. It’s pretty universal amongst economists that it was dumb as fuck, GWB has always been a much worse president in my mind compared to Trump but these tariffs may get him over the line! Number 1! Number 1! Lmao
 

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lol you truly don’t understand this at all. Yes, I remember studying that exact situation - and it was a fucking abomination. So, congrats! Donald is going down that same path. It’s pretty universal amongst economists that it was dumb as fuck, GWB has always been a much worse president in my mind compared to Trump but these tariffs may get him over the line! Number 1! Number 1! Lmao
GW… George Washington. Aka… number 1.
 

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Oh my apologies, I didn’t realize you were citing economic policy from the 1700’s as support for something in 2025. Because maybe you realized how stupid the steel tariffs were under GWB and then got embarrassed, so now I guess Washington’s tariff policy from the 1700s is this masterful gambit?

Reducing entitlements and tariffs on everyday goods is going to really hurt the average low income low education person, so MAGA better buckle up! Lmao
 

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Oh my apologies, I didn’t realize you were citing economic policy from the 1700’s as support for something in 2025. Because maybe you realized how stupid the steel tariffs were under GWB and then got embarrassed, so now I guess Washington’s tariff policy from the 1700s is this masterful gambit?

Reducing entitlements and tariffs on everyday goods is going to really hurt the average low income low education person, so MAGA better buckle up! Lmao
I’m not embarrassed at all, I’m not the one thinking Bush was USAs first president. You are whining about free trade like Tariffs are something pulled out of Trumps ass. Im just pointing out that the first act of the first president of this great country was tariffs. I’m not arguing good or bad… I’m just saying it’s not new. lol at you for thinking I would be citing GWBush when I clearly said the first president. You just can’t read so understand your embarrassment, but I can’t expect Canadians to know US History either soooo.

How dare someone cite a piece of paper from the 1700s to support something in 2025. I mean the constitution was pretty dope in my opinion… but carry on Canadian.
 
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If any individual is melting down after less than two weeks of Trump, they need to come back to reality or touch some grass. All I see is a lot of propaganda accounts spreading doom and gloom. Day to day life is unchanged because, again, it's been two weeks. We'll be just fine, relax.
Some might be fine, but there's people who be fine. For the last 2 weeks my world has gotten completely thrown upside down. My legal right to existence and healthcare is about to gone because of a bunch of executive orders here signed.
 

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Some might be fine, but there's people who be fine. For the last 2 weeks my world has gotten completely thrown upside down. My legal right to existence and healthcare is about to gone because of a bunch of executive orders here signed.
Damn, Trump isn’t Harry Potter. He can’t make people simply disappear.
 
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Damn, Trump isn’t Harry Potter. He can’t make people simply disappear.
He's erasing trans people from anywhere possible. So while he can't erase me, he's doing he damnedest to make it as hard as possible to exist
 

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He's erasing trans people from anywhere possible. So while he can't erase me, he's doing he damnedest to make it as hard as possible to exist
He’s going to have the economy booming so hard you won’t even have time to worry.
 
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He’s going to have the economy booming so hard you won’t even have time to worry.
My main worry is which country do I go to Canada or Mexico, and which one has a smaller percentage of being invaded by the US
 

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My main worry is which country do I go to Canada or Mexico, and which one has a smaller percentage of being invaded by the US
This country has gotten so weak. You’ll be fine. Put on your work boots and go on like you would have 2 weeks ago. You live in Colorado. Stop living this victim mentally. You sound like one of the ladies on The View. Yeesh. So glad a grown up is in charge now.
 
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This country has gotten so weak. You’ll be fine. Put on your work boots and go on like you would have 2 weeks ago. You live in Colorado. Stop living this victim mentally. You sound like one of the ladies on The View. Yeesh. So glad a grown up is in charge now.
My healthcare is being threatened to being taken away, because of him. I'm not being soft. Myself and others like myself are losing rights, healthcare access, and our ability to travel. All because a bunch of soft people like you can't comprehend that people different from them exist. I would love to day being in Colorado matters but Trump and Republicans don't give 2 shits about states rights.
 

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My healthcare is being threatened to being taken away, because of him. I'm not being soft. Myself and others like myself are losing rights, healthcare access, and our ability to travel. All because a bunch of soft people like you can't comprehend that people different from them exist. I would love to day being in Colorado matters but Trump and Republicans don't give 2 shits about states rights.
With that attitude nobody can help you, not even government.
 
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With that attitude nobody can help you, not even government.
My attitude? 😂 You mean the facts of what our federal government is doing? I'm good I don't need their help, I've already taken precautions and I'll be fine. But others won't.
 

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My attitude? 😂 You mean the facts of what our federal government is doing? I'm good I don't need their help, I've already taken precautions and I'll be fine. But others won't.
Didn’t you just say your options were Canada or Mexico? And if you don’t go you’ll disappear? Now you’re good, 5 minutes ago doom and gloom now all of a sudden you’re fine. I think you’re confused.
 
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Didn’t you just say your options were Canada or Mexico? And if you don’t go you’ll disappear? Now you’re good, 5 minutes ago doom and gloom now all of a sudden you’re fine. I think you’re confused.
You're reading comprehension skills are severely lacking. Hopefully you teach your kids better while home schooling them
 

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I’m not embarrassed at all, I’m not the one thinking Bush was USAs first president. You are whining about free trade like Tariffs are something pulled out of Trumps ass. Im just pointing out that the first act of the first president of this great country was tariffs. I’m not arguing good or bad… I’m just saying it’s not new. lol at you for thinking I would be citing GWBush when I clearly said the first president. You just can’t read so understand your embarrassment, but I can’t expect Canadians to know US History either soooo.

How dare someone cite a piece of paper from the 1700s to support something in 2025. I mean the constitution was pretty dope in my opinion… but carry on Canadian.
Whining? I’m stating facts lol. Tariffs are horrible for trade. If Biden made the highest tax rate 94%, and I said something so fucking stupid like “hurrrr it was 94% in 1945” you would rightfully laugh at me.

The MAGA base truly had no clue how economics work. Watching the dumb hicks pulling 70k in Ohio shitting their pants because they didn’t realize what a clusterfuck this is going to be is incredible.
 

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I stumbled upon this excellent post that I think articulates what we are seeing regarding the US on the global stage right now and I encourage everyone to read it.


It's becoming clearer and clearer that we're looking at a seismic shift in the US's relationship with the world, between:

1) The US dismantling its foreign interference apparatuses (like USAID 👇)
2) Marco Rubio stating that we're now in a multipolar world with "multi-great powers in different parts of the planet" (state.gov/secretary-marc…) and that "the postwar global order is not just obsolete; it is now a weapon being used against us" (foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/…)
3) The tariffs on supposed "allies" like Mexico, Canada or the EU

This is the US effectively saying "our attempt at running the world is over, to each his own, we're now just another great power, not the 'indispensable nation'."

It looks "dumb" (as the WSJ just wrote) if you are still mentally in the old paradigm but it's always a mistake to think that what the US (or any country) does is dumb.

Hegemony was going to end sooner or later, and now the U.S. is basically choosing to end it on its own terms. It is the post-American world order - brought to you by America itself.

Even the tariffs on allies, viewed under this angle, make sense, as it redefines the concept of "allies": they don't want - or maybe rather can't afford - vassals anymore, but rather relationships that evolve based on current interests.

You can either view it as decline - because it does unquestionably look like the end of the American empire - or as avoiding further decline: controlled withdrawal from imperial commitments in order to focus resources on core national interests rather than being forced into an even messier retreat at a later stage.

In any case it is the end of an era and, while the Trump administration looks like chaos to many observers, they're probably much more attuned to the changing realities of the world and their own country's predicament than their predecessors. Acknowledging the existence of a multipolar world and choosing to operate within it rather than trying to maintain an increasingly costly global hegemony couldn't be delayed much further. It looks messy but it is probably better than maintaining the fiction of American primacy until it eventually collapses under its own weight.

This is not to say that the U.S. won't continue to wreak havoc on the world, and in fact we might be seeing it become even more aggressive than before. Because when it previously was (badly, and very hypocritically) trying to maintain some semblance of self-proclaimed "rules-based order", it now doesn't even have to pretend it is under any constraint, not even the constraint of playing nice with allies. It's the end of the U.S. empire, but definitely not the end of the U.S. as a major disruptive force in world affairs.

All in all this transformation may mark one of the most significant shifts in international relations since the fall of the Soviet Union. And those most unprepared for it, as is already painfully obvious, are America's vassals caught completely flat-footed by the realization that the patron they've relied on for decades is now treating them as just another set of countries to negotiate with.”


My counterpoint would be:
-Britain did exactly this last century and now the country is unrecognizably poor and terrible
-China is trying to run the entire world so it's zero sum. If you give up power voluntarily, they will fill the void.
 

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Whining? I’m stating facts lol. Tariffs are horrible for trade. If Biden made the highest tax rate 94%, and I said something so fucking stupid like “hurrrr it was 94% in 1945” you would rightfully laugh at me.

The MAGA base truly had no clue how economics work. Watching the dumb hicks pulling 70k in Ohio shitting their pants because they didn’t realize what a clusterfuck this is going to be is incredible.
Tariffs are horrible for trade by design. And for the record I laugh at you anyway.

Insulting Americans only making $70k, yeesh, you truly are POS.
 

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So what is Canada supposed to do to stop these tariffs? Stop fentanyl? Isn't the boarder patrol supposed to do that? I assume more drugs and guns flow from the US up into Canada than into the US.
 

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Tariffs are horrible for trade by design. And for the record I laugh at you anyway.

Insulting Americans only making $70k, yeesh, you truly are POS.
Tariffs are horrible, and yet you defend them.

The guy who says poverty is a mindset, is soiling himself because I said people pulling 70k who voted for this are going to feel it? Ohhhhh no! I don’t care. People like Charlie Kirk and his ilk spend 80% of their time demonizing people and 20% of the time being offended that someone called them ghouls. Culture wars are where people who don't understand economics thrive.
 

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So what is Canada supposed to do to stop these tariffs? Stop fentanyl? Isn't the boarder patrol supposed to do that? I assume more drugs and guns flow from the US up into Canada than into the US.
Apply for statehood.

It's fucking insane I'm posting that without italics.
 

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Also fuck Canada. I’d rather Canadians just kneel.


You're upset at them booing because the leader of the nation to their south is bullying their country with tariffs, threatening their economic stability, and insulting them by saying they would have better healthcare by joining the US and that they wouldn't be a viable country without us? How dare someone boo the precious US of A that does everything so perfectly and morally?
 

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Tariffs are horrible, and yet you defend them.

The guy who says poverty is a mindset, is soiling himself because I said people pulling 70k who voted for this are going to feel it? Ohhhhh no! I don’t care. People like Charlie Kirk and his ilk spend 80% of their time demonizing people and 20% of the time being offended that someone called them ghouls. Culture wars are where people who don't understand economics thrive.
Tariffs are horrible… for trade. Where have I defended tariffs? I have merely mentioned they have always existed because you pretend Trump invented them.

You don’t care, yet you pretend to care about people and bitch about how the other side doesn’t. Pot meet kettle. Thanks for admitting you don’t care about people. The fact that I mentioned that poverty CAN BE a mindset probably 2-3 years ago you pretend and continue to argue in horribly bad faith that I pretend poverty doesn’t exist in relation to actual finances and that poverty is some made up fairy tale in their mind. “Poverty mindset” isn’t a term I made up… I read it once… in a book… an actual text book. You’re an idiot. And I get why you brought Charlie Kirk into this, I mentioned recently I am friends with and mingled with a bunch of TPUsa staff so you fire shots like a 2 year old… ouch you hurt my feelings. You’re a POS.
 
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