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I would pay Angeli before Maddox Madsen lol

This also implies ND would run into a $3 million budgetary concern and doesn’t have a better QB than a G5 game manager. Neither should be true.

I like this breakdown, but also wouldn't give a Boise St QB $1mil...ever. Zero comparison with the competition he plays against....no way, not ever. In fact, as much as I like their RB, we (along with any other top 5 team) will shut him down. I guess you could put any name in their for Maddux Madsen...I get your point. I like spending on the DT, edge, and defense.

Yeah, I mean I personally Wouldn’t give Madsen $1m, but Odds are he’ll have a better year than CJ Carr next year which is the greater point. someone probably will and it might just be Boise State to keep him.
 

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I do want to know what a crap pipe is, but don't want any part of it. That said, I like this...but if Ewers go to the NFL, UT's team is his. No way he leaves...does he?
Fixed it! Bec. I don't want to know what a crap pipe is either! 😂
 

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Can anyone repeating the $4 million as being exorbitant shed light as to why? Do you know the going rate of current QBs in this cycle? What we spent on Leonard/Hartman versus the 2023/2024 budgets? What the 2025 budget is? What ND is devoting in revenue share to football + NIL moving forward? What has already been allocated to the current roster and other targets of note?

It seems to be an argument out of principle not out of actual budget management, unless the above questions have been addressed prior.
If the rumors are true and the biggest spenders are working with a budget around $20M, I wouldn't allocate 20% of the budget on any of the QBs currently available unless the staff believes the current stable of QBs simply can't compete at a high level. That would probably change my mind.
 

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True....but when they charge 70k a year for an education and over a hundred dollars for hoodies at the bookstore and the line is 3 miles long. I don't wanna hear it, take the NBC money and put it towards the players. UGA is taking more outa state kids right now because everyone wants to go there. Bama was the same...a prolific football program will help all around, even at a school like ND.
Nil money comes from outside the University. Boosters and wealthy alums typically..
 

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excellent take. We've done the xfer QB 3 years now (1 and done). It's been "ok", but Riley I think is taking us to new heights. We'll see. I mean, we're the team taking the 3 year developed QB's and integrating them into our offense. It's possible to do very easily...these players barely see a classroom anymore, and can focus on 100% football. My problem is...outside of Milroe (who I'm not sold on at all)...is there a Riley Leonard out there? I trust the admin/staff to find them....

here's an idea...what about Blake Horvath from Navy? Just watching this game, and how different is he than Riley with the right coaching? Maybe a little facetious, but kind of serious question.
Two years in a row, right? They didn't take one in 2022 and it was a big mistake. Maybe that's why it's being discussed now.
 

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I do want to know what a crap pipe is, but don't want any part of it. That said, I like this...but if Ewers go to the NFL, UT's team is his. No way he leaves...does he?
This would be a long shot and also would point to something just not being right to the CJ Carr as ND QB savior as in an injury or he's not panning out as planned for some reason. I've not seen/heard much about him either way at this point.
 

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I think he’s basically Brandon Wimbush with better long ball accuracy. He is wholly incapable of making efficient intermediate throws, doesn’t project well to the NFL, and has had a mediocre year with some elite receiving talent at Bama. Hard pass.
I think your knocks on him are valid, along with his weapos. But he threw for 400 and ran for a 100 against UGA in primetime. Wimbush never came close to a game like that (he ran the ball 16 times for 1 yards against UGA)...against an opponent like that. I have a feeling on Jan 1st we will all realize how impressive that really was.
 

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If you have any doubt that both Steve and Kenny Won’t be on the team next year you have to get a quarterback. Doomsday scenario is CJ as the starter (Coming off Injury) with Raw true freshman Blake Hebert As the back up. Maybe Buchner is an option as well.

Will be interesting to see how Freeman plays this, I assume he won’t announce the starter either way until a couple weeks before the season to keep the roster intact.
 

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If the rumors are true and the biggest spenders are working with a budget around $20M, I wouldn't allocate 20% of the budget on any of the QBs currently available unless the staff believes the current stable of QBs simply can't compete at a high level. That would probably change my mind.
Our floor is Angeli, who we have seen enough of to know that he is “competent”. What you’re saying is spot on… we don’t have unlimited money. We don’t know what the number is, but this isn’t the Federal Reserve with a money printer. We also know that we aren’t as competitive as some of these schools or you would see us in on guys like that safety who just went to Oregon, Concepcion, Singleton, etc.

So “spending big” on a QB doesn’t really make sense to me when none of the guys in the portal to be NFL types. You spend that money on some DL or WRs you’re probably better off. Now, if the name is someone insane like Arch Manning or DJ Lagway I could see it, but I have no reason to believe that’s the case.
 

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I think your knocks on him are valid, along with his weapos. But he threw for 400 and ran for a 100 against UGA in primetime. Wimbush never came close to a game like that (he ran the ball 16 times for 1 yards against UGA)...against an opponent like that. I have a feeling on Jan 1st we will all realize how impressive that really was.
Sure but how did he do against Oklahoma? His whole body of work he wasn’t even a top 30 passer despite having a HC that wants to chuck it all over the yard.
 

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Angeli is simply not good enough to win a championship. At best, he’s Will Howard. But even with all of the ridiculous talent that Ohio State has around Howard, they still lost two games and will have a tough oath to the championship this year. Only the staff knows what we have in Minchey and Carr.

I’m not saying we need a portal QB, but it’s dumb to simply say we shouldn’t bring in a transfer. The staff needs to do their due diligence
 

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Sure but how did he do against Oklahoma? His whole body of work he wasn’t even a top 30 passer despite having a HC that wants to chuck it all over the yard.
Horrible, it was pretty amazing to watch. But I don't think any of our guys on the 25 roster (which is the whole Milroe debate) would have done better. That was a beat down from top to bottom. Nice little bounce back against AUB
 

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If the rumors are true and the biggest spenders are working with a budget around $20M, I wouldn't allocate 20% of the budget on any of the QBs currently available unless the staff believes the current stable of QBs simply can't compete at a high level. That would probably change my mind.

The top teams will likely be north of $20 million next year, some considerably.

My point is mainly everyone is balking at a number that we have close to zero idea the context of.
 

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Lol Jack Coan has to be the Most forgotten about ND starting QB of all time. In my head, we go right from Book to Buchner / Pyne.
Right...but in '22 they did what we are talking about them doing next year. Rolled in with a young QB with no experience.
 

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Angeli is simply not good enough to win a championship. At best, he’s Will Howard. But even with all of the ridiculous talent that Ohio State has around Howard, they still lost two games and will have a tough oath to the championship this year. Only the staff knows what we have in Minchey and Carr.

I’m not saying we need a portal QB, but it’s dumb to simply say we shouldn’t bring in a transfer. The staff needs to do their due diligence
Yep, I am thinking they realize the receiving game is likely going to be sub-par similar to the last 5 years, so they want someone like Leonard who can add to the running game.
 

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Good points. Now I'm on the other side of the fence, go get Milroe :). Buchner wasn't bad, but couldn't get things going vs OSU, and then Marshall happened...now I'm concerned. Poop stains.
this was also Freeman's 1st year (and first game vs OSU). Tough assignment, and there was less of a wild west of NIL and portal then (a little less). He's learned, and will do the right thing.
 

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Good points. Now I'm on the other side of the fence, go get Milroe :). Buchner wasn't bad, but couldn't get things going vs OSU, and then Marshall happened...now I'm concerned. Poop stains.
That's pretty much my point. When you are one of maybe 15 teams chasing championships year in and year out...you can't do some dumb shit like that. Because you can look up and be Oklahoma, everyone bolts.
 

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That's pretty much my point. When you are one of maybe 15 teams chasing championships year in and year out...you can't do some dumb shit like that. Because you can look up and be Oklahoma, everyone bolts.
Good take. So, just thinking about OSU and Julian Saylin,. Would they roll with him, or bring another one in. Same situation. I'm confident enough in our staff to get a guy, and integrate him into him into what we do.
 

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I think he’s basically Brandon Wimbush with better long ball accuracy. He is wholly incapable of making efficient intermediate throws, doesn’t project well to the NFL, and has had a mediocre year with some elite receiving talent at Bama. Hard pass.
Had this same thought.
 
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